Overly reliant on Vardy??

[Jimbo]

Just seen an interesting stat on Sky Sports.

 

Over half of our league goals this season have been scored from Midfield, 53%

 

Of course, in modern football what classes as "midfield" is open to interpretation, is Barnes really a midfielder.......???

 

For me this is interesting as it shows our progression under Rodgers. We've always been wrongly labelled as a one man team, and pundits are always quick to jump on our reliance on Jamie Vardy. It now shows we have a threat from anywhere on the pitch and eases the pressure to replace our ageing talismanic striker, we've evolved into a proper footballing team

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

I think we are nowhere near as reliant on JV compared to a few years ago. We’ve all been fretting about how to replace him, well perhaps we’ve been missing the bleeding obvious - we can ease away from ‘relying’ on him by getting better at the philosophy and playing style that BR prefers.

[deanolegend1989]

14 minutes ago, Jimbo said:

Just seen an interesting stat on Sky Sports.

 

Over half of our league goals this season have been scored from Midfield, 53%

 

Of course, in modern football what classes as "midfield" is open to interpretation, is Barnes really a midfielder.......???

 

For me this is interesting as it shows our progression under Rodgers. We've always been wrongly labelled as a one man team, and pundits are always quick to jump on our reliance on Jamie Vardy. It now shows we have a threat from anywhere on the pitch and eases the pressure to replace our ageing talismanic striker, we've evolved into a proper footballing team

We were reliant on Vardy between 16/17-18/19. He was vital to making a relegation battling team , a solid mid table team. To get 51 premier league goals in those 3 seasons in those awful teams shows firstly what a top striker he was and secondly how over reliant we were with him.

Over the last 1/2 years, especially since lockdown, We have shown lots of development in our squad, both personal wise and individuals have been improving, that we no longer are ‘a poor team with a world class striker’ and more ‘a strong overall first 11’.

It will also help Vardy play for longer, because it’s easier around better players now he’s past his physical peak.

[lcfc sheff]

We’re evolving - we’ve struggled to reach our potential in the past due to over reliance on Vardy but now the goals are spreading out. There’s still huge room for improvement from set pieces, if we can sort those out both attacking and defensively then we’re a huge huge threat.

[Tuna]

Does every random thought now need to be a thread ???

[foxfanazer]

6 minutes ago, Tuna said:

Does every random thought now need to be a thread ???

I don't know. Start a thread with a poll

[Jimbo]

23 minutes ago, Tuna said:

Does every random thought now need to be a thread ???

Where would you put it then? Did you know the stat?

 

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? Are you after the status of mood hoover?

Did we have the most miserable fan base in the league? 

Someone start a new thread, get a poll up 

[Koke]

Yes we are better with Vardy than without but its a stupid lazy narrative that without Vatdy we would be where Leeds are. 

 

I'm actually quite optimistic that we can adequately replace Vardy when the time eventually comes. There are other good strikers in the world who can get you 15-20 goals, especially playing in this team. Jimenez, Ings, and even abroad younger versions of Stuani, Aspas, Kramaric etc. 

 

Edited 30 January 2021 by Koke

[foxile5]

3 minutes ago, Koke said:

Yes we are better with Vardy than without but its a stupid lazy narrative that without Vatdy we would be where Leeds are. 

 

I'm actually quite optimistic that we can adequately replace Vardy when the time eventually comes. There are other good strikers in the world who can get you 15-20 goals, especially playing in this team. Jimenez, Ings, and even abroad younger versions of Stuani, Aspas etc. 

Whilst I agree about replacing Vardy, technically at least, you're not just replacing goals. 

[Collymore]

I think Rodgers is playing with fire because if we take a massive nose dive in goals scored now and our form suffers over the next few weeks and then all of a sudden we pick up again when Vardy returns, then I'm sorry I think that is almost a crime. 

 

We have harped on for years it seems about not having a similar player to Vardy to be at the very least being developed in the background

(I think we were extremely lucky the title winning season as the January transfer window was a gamble that Vardy would stay fit) 

 

It was mentioned in the Maddison thread about surely the club are aware of all the current issues and are 10 steps a head of this forum, but the reality of the situation is we could be playing Perez up front for god knows how long and there's a chance it's a massive failure and we nose dive! 

 

Imagine if this cost us top 4 or even worst a push for the title again! 

 

Serious questions would need to be answered. 

 

 

Edited 30 January 2021 by Collymore

[Koke]

1 minute ago, foxile5 said:

Whilst I agree about replacing Vardy, technically at least, you're not just replacing goals. 

 

Yes you are right. It will be interesting to see the type of profile we sign when its time to replace him. Maybe an identical version of Vardy or perhaps someone who gets involved a lot more but also scores. Or maybe we will go the Liverpool way where our main scores will be our wide men.

[Sunbury Fox]

The big difference this season is that we are getting more goals and assists from central midfield and from wide areas - Barnes has 9 goals/assists, Maddison 8 and Tielemans 7. If we had a wide right player getting those numbers too that would more than compensate for a drop in productivity from whomever replaces Vardy. It's why I'd like to see much more of Ünder in the second half of the season.

[Webbo]

Vardy creates space for the midfielders to score, its not just his goals. 

[Guest bss9401]

This is part of a dialogue which helps some pundits rationalise why we are breaking into the top six. The same pundits call a penalty that is blasted down the middle a "Vardy penalty ", regardless of the fact that he rarely does it these days. A childish dig from them, but a dig all the same, just like our perceived reliance on JV. 

All teams are reliant on certain quality players and most of us could identify one or two for every team.

[David Hankey]

Be interesting to see the stats where Vardy hasn't played, anyone?

[majaco]

Thank goodness there's a Vardy thread finally!

 

[TJB-fox]

1 hour ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

I think we are nowhere near as reliant on JV compared to a few years ago. We’ve all been fretting about how to replace him, well perhaps we’ve been missing the bleeding obvious - we can ease away from ‘relying’ on him by getting better at the philosophy and playing style that BR prefers.

Over the next 2 years (?) as he starts to decline, pick up injuries and slow down by the time we have to replace him it won’t be so dramatic. Having to replace the Vardy of last year, or title winning season would be impossible. But in two years of progression with these young players the loss of Vardy wont be so hard. I don’t think he’s been at the races over the last 6-8 games but I’m hoping that’s more a dip in form or maybe this niggling injury rather than his overall decline. Having said that, still got a very good goal haul this season. 

[Oxfordfox83]

1 hour ago, deanolegend1989 said:

We were reliant on Vardy between 16/17-18/19. He was vital to making a relegation battling team , a solid mid table team. To get 51 premier league goals in those 3 seasons in those awful teams shows firstly what a top striker he was and secondly how over reliant we were with him.

Over the last 1/2 years, especially since lockdown, We have shown lots of development in our squad, both personal wise and individuals have been improving, that we no longer are ‘a poor team with a world class striker’ and more ‘a strong overall first 11’.

It will also help Vardy play for longer, because it’s easier around better players now he’s past his physical peak.

You’re obviously new to being a Leicester fan: welcome. 
 

If you read some of the old threads, you’ll find lots of information about what an awful team looks like. FYI, it’s not a team featuring Schmeichel, Ndidi, Evans, Morgan, Albrighton, Mahrez, etc. 

[st albans fox]

We miss his movement in stretching the defence and making space for others to play in as much as we miss his goals 

 

he is a very astute footballer 

[nnfox]

I wouldn't necessarily say that we have been overly reliant on Vardy, but I do think we have based our game around having a single world-class goal scorer.  Lately we do seem to have evolved and now carry a much greater goal threat from multiple sources in the team.  The midfield have massively stepped up in this respect which is very pleasing to see and a future without Vardy looks better now than at any time since 2016.  That said, the mere presence of Vardy on the pitch does still create space for the midfielders to exploit.  On balance, I'd say keep him  

[Kevin Russell]

Vardy is huge for us in so many ways - goals, stretching play, fear factor (for opposition) and he’s  cult hero for the fans - my favourite ever player by a country mile.

 

The bizarre thing is that he’s actually not been that good this season. I think it’s partly due to injuries, but also due to the natural periods of average  form that he sometimes goes through - he even had a dry spell when we won the league if I remember rightly?

 

We do rely on him in some ways but it’s often banded about as a lazy comment by pundits 

[HighPeakFox]

2 hours ago, Kevin Russell said:

Vardy is my favourite ever player by a country mile.

Kevin 'Rooster' Russell would like a word with you  

[Phube]

3 hours ago, David Hankey said:

Be interesting to see the stats where Vardy hasn't played, anyone?

I can’t confirm this anywhere, but I heard that our points-per-game with and without Vardy are the same? 
Not sure over what time period or if it’s even true... but makes you think! 

[davieG]

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9192305/What-stats-Leicesters-reliance-Jamie-Vardy-promotion-PL.html

[Phube]

51 minutes ago, davieG said:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9192305/What-stats-Leicesters-reliance-Jamie-Vardy-promotion-PL.html

I knew someone would know where the info is!

 

Interestingly shows we may score more with home playing, but concede less? But then there aren’t really enough games without to form reliable information.