Choudhury

[UHDrive]

Hamza was on his last legs prior to his Newcastle move. BR has given him an opportunity to take on board instructions that Hamzas been given on the pitch and to implement them. He needs to prove he can evolve with BR's philosophy over the next few months. 

 

I've never doubted Hamzas enthusiasm on the pitch and his energy levels are exactly what we need when we are either seeing a game out or are playing a team which requires us to sit deep. I dont think he is good enough at lcfc because he cannot play the ball on the floor, he doesn't have the skillset to know what players are around him after taking possession of the ball and he is often rash around tackles that can occasionally require red cards. On that basis we need a better DM, even as a squad player, and I would try to sign a player that has ndidi's attributes as opposed to mendys. Ndidi and Mendy are enough for now and we have players to step into that position is necessary.

[sacreblueits442]

32 minutes ago, Koke said:

 

There's no other explanation I'm afraid. Mendy has proven in Ndidi's absence that he is more than capable to come in and do a good job, and he's a better player than Hamza.

...CDM is a position not all players play the same!!!

Hamza would never have been asked to play in the same was as Diallo or a Kante, it is the environment that he has come through and we are asking him to stretch his game to incorporate things that he has had little or no experience with coming through. Mendy has been through a style of play that lends itself to the type of CDM we wish to have at the club but he appears to be restricted in what he does in affecting the team. I believe Puel had him as skipper when at Nice and was very favourably compared to Makelele.

[adejo92]

I think Hamza is a great example of how difficult it is to get good 'squad' players. I don't think he's good enough for the first 11, but he is a great player to have on the bench. Hamza clearly wants regular first team football and i think we can see BR managing that. Ultimately, in the long run, i can't see him being anything more than a great sub here at Leicester which will inevitably lead to his departure.

Edited 19 February 2021 by adejo92

[The_Rorab]

Am I the only one who sees the utility in us having both Mendy and Choudhury?

 

Mendy is better for games in which we won't be physically dominated and in which he can play a more cog in the system role of keeping possession ticking over and playing a bit more controlled. Hamza is better when we need to match a team's physicality and offer something different in his combative playstyle with more energy and running. Both are inferior to Ndidi but both offer a different way of contributing to the team and I think having both isn't a bad thing.

 

I don't necessarily think either are really ever going to be first team players here but we need a squad of players and for what they give they are both serviceable options who can occasionally put in great performances.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

6 minutes ago, The_Rorab said:

Am I the only one who sees the utility in us having both Mendy and Choudhury?

 

Mendy is better for games in which we won't be physically dominated and in which he can play a more cog in the system role of keeping possession ticking over and playing a bit more controlled. Hamza is better when we need to match a team's physicality and offer something different in his combative playstyle with more energy and running. Both are inferior to Ndidi but both offer a different way of contributing to the team and I think having both isn't a bad thing.

 

I don't necessarily think either are really ever going to be first team players here but we need a squad of players and for what they give they are both serviceable options who can occasionally put in great performances.

And now we can have half our squad on the bench (if this is a permanent change), then the door is more open to "specialist" players.

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, The_Rorab said:

Am I the only one who sees the utility in us having both Mendy and Choudhury?

 

Mendy is better for games in which we won't be physically dominated and in which he can play a more cog in the system role of keeping possession ticking over and playing a bit more controlled. Hamza is better when we need to match a team's physicality and offer something different in his combative playstyle with more energy and running. Both are inferior to Ndidi but both offer a different way of contributing to the team and I think having both isn't a bad thing.

 

I don't necessarily think either are really ever going to be first team players here but we need a squad of players and for what they give they are both serviceable options who can occasionally put in great performances.

...I do not think an aspirational player would see setting on the bench as the way to progress his career!!!

For Hamza, he needs to go to another club, preferably abroad and develop, as he will not be able to do that here and Mendy is at a certain age that he could actually stay as a squad player content with his salary and his environment with a view to a coaching position in the long run.

  I believe Hamza has a lot more to offer and ideally coming into the first team and becoming a regular would have been great, but that is not going to happen with playing bit parts in games.

[Alan Frost]

3 hours ago, turtmcfly said:

 

You're not though, are you?

 

Well I like Mendy who has generally done well i feel when I've watched him but I'm not convinced Choudhury could n't offer more ot the two of them. Certainly I would have thought Hamza should be capable of more improvement.Both of them have shown continuous improvement I think altho Choudhury went up by a step function last night, his post match interview being as impressive as his play.

 

Felt a bit sorry for Iheanacho who was a bit unlucky and very naive to get booked so quickly ,without which he might have done better, but he never came close to Choudhury last night. Somehow I always feel he's robbing us of effort ,but not necessarily his best effort as he defines it.

Edited 19 February 2021 by Alan Frost

[deanolegend1989]

10 hours ago, Koke said:

I'm still convinced Rodgers is playing him over Mendy just to drive up his fee in the summer. Because there's no way,Hamza offers us more than Mendy. He has done alright in his last few games but he is incredibly limited. He gives us aggression and tackling but nothing else. 

 

 

9 hours ago, Koke said:

 

Mendy is also limited but his passing is better and his tackles aren't reckless. When Ndidi got injured, Mendy stepped up and was great. I can't see Hamza doing as good if Wilf got injured. He just isn't that good.

 

I have nothing against the lad but  think even Rodgers has made up his mind, hence he was trying to offload him in January until Praet got injured. I think Rodgers will drive up his fee to sell him for Schlupp type money to bottom half teams, or newly promoted teams.

You got your head up your arse. Mendy has been shocking ever since he was useless vs Wolves, Liverpool was the worst performance ever seen with not a single tackle, interception or ball won the entire game. Then run over by a useless Fulham team. He was lucky Wilf was out but when Wilf came back we started winning a few.

He then comes back in vs Everton and we were awful again. Brendan knew then he needed to be dropped. We went on a great run, but injuries meant a space needed filling for Leeds. After another embarrassing performance, Brendan finally had enough.

Hamza has come in and proven hes tiers above Mendy and BR knows now. Hamza is younger, stronger, faster, more physical, better tackler and is a ready made back up for Wilf.

Mendy is an absolute nothing player who gets run over every game we play.

 

8 hours ago, Koke said:

 

There's no other explanation I'm afraid. Mendy has proven in Ndidi's absence that he is more than capable to come in and do a good job, and he's a better player than Hamza.

There’s a million other explanations that are more likely than what you say.

I’ll rephrase this nonsense for you:

’Mendy has proven in Ndidi’s absence that he is not capable of coming in and offering anything and he’s a much inferior player to Hamza’.

 

7 hours ago, The_77 said:

Never saw Mendy hit a cross like Hamza's from last night.

What about the 50 yard cross field pass vs Fulham? Hamzas passing range is safe mainly but is much better than Mendy.

 

7 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

Can we all stop this Mendy vs Hamza debate, if only in case SOMEBODY gets wind of it?

The debate was Wilf Vs Mendy. Now it’s Hamza vs Mendy. Soon it’ll be the ball boy vs Mendy.

It’s quite obvious Mendy is an awfully limited player who gets run over everytime Hes on the pitch. Thankfully BR knows now.

 

8 hours ago, turtmcfly said:

 

There clearly are, and they have the benefit of not being daft, but they allow the possibility you're essentially wrong about Hamza vs. Mendy, or at least have a different opinion than Rodgers (which for me is essentially the same thing)

 

Everyone who understand anything about football knows Hamza is the better player. 

 

8 hours ago, OhYesNdidi said:

I think the leeds game has really helped Hamza tbh. I like Mendy but it’s so clear how fragile our midfield is when Mendy plays, teams just seem to be able to run straight through it. Mendy was outstanding for the first part of the season but I do think Hamza is currently a better choice when Ndidi is out at the moment.

100% the better player. As you said every time Mendy plays we look vulnerable at every second. He offers nothing. Hamza isn’t the greatest but at least he’s good at what he’s good at.

Hamza can smash up players, get in faces and get about the park. He’s limited after that but he causes grief and it helps protect Tielemens and he can dictate.

Mendy does nothing. He just runs around in the area the ball is and when pressure from one of our other players produces a loose ball, he can pick up untested then he can pass back to the centre back and trot around.

As soon as he gets icolated 1 vs 1 he gets run over.

I saw Rice rip him to shreads, I saw Barkley do it for Villa, Wolves at home entire 2nd half he might as well not been there, Liverpool away he didn’t do a single thing all game, Fulham home he was shocking and anguissa ran the show, Everton home ran over by Docoure then Leeds all game battered us and Dallas made him look like a little boy in a mans game.

Hamza comes in and we havnt conceded a goal since.

Fulham beaten convincingly with Hamza, Wolves tough fought game that we lose with Mendy, Hamza handled Troare and Anguissa respectively in these games much better than Mendy could dream of.

 

[Foxxed]

Quarantine is hell

[HighPeakFox]

Middle of the night too, extra points awarded.

[Koke]

Am I imagining things or did Mendy actually play very well when Ndidi was out for a long period

 

[Kevin Russell]

5 minutes ago, Koke said:

Am I imagining things or did Mendy actually play very well when Ndidi was out for a long period

 

Mendy has been v good - great at tidying up in midfield and getting us moving. Sometimes the cm area can look a bit porous towards the end of a game as both he and Youri seem to tire and we can get overrun. I like Hamza too,  definitely more combative than Mendy, but far less intelligent on the ball for me. I’m pretty happy with our options at CM - happy we didn’t sign Chalobah and looking forward to addicting Dews-Hall to the mix.

[HighPeakFox]

10 minutes ago, Koke said:

Am I imagining things or did Mendy actually play very well when Ndidi was out for a long period

Is this your first exposure to our very special correspondent?

[deanolegend1989]

37 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

Is this your first exposure to our very special correspondent?

Calling someone special because they don’t nod along to the FT narrative basically just confirms your lack of knowledge on football and your opinion is null and void.

The funny thing now BR has realised what I’ve been saying for over a year now so our results will improve and that’s all I care about.

The sooner Mendy leaves the club the better. Problem is no one will want him obviously so he might be here another year yet stinking the place out.

 

48 minutes ago, Koke said:

Am I imagining things or did Mendy actually play very well when Ndidi was out for a long period

 

Your imagining things and going along with a boring narrative because it’s easier.

Home record with Mendy:

2 Wins:

Burnley - they were rinsed of injuries before and after our game for few months. There best 2 CBs out. We still scraped over the line, Burnley should of scored 4/5.

Wolves - Probably the worst ‘winning’ performance I’ve ever watched from us. A lucky penalty than the worse 2nd half sh*thouse I’ve ever watched. A wins a win but how anyone can say ‘we played well’ really does not understand the game.

5 losses:

West Ham - Absolutely tore us a new arse. Mendy ran ragged by Rice and Soycek. Rice who naturally sits, decided to run the show and even burst a 60 yard run breezing past Mendy and thundering one vs the underside of the bar. We should of lost 4/5-0 he was out his depth.

Villa - Absolutely run ragged again all game. We barely got in our half all game. Barkley constant pressure all game. Little Wes kept us in that game but the writing was on the wall.

Fulham - Embarrassing. Anguissa’s turn to have his way against him. A team who had been awful up until that point, well and truly deserved to win.

Everton - Having been on a good run, felt like we’d turned a corner finally kicking him out. First game back, back to being run over by an Everton team without James that night. Docoure bossed the middle. Pathetic again, the end for him, BR knew.

Leeds - A great run was no surprise. Injury’s hit, so in he comes again. Here we go again? Of course. Absolutely run over by the most naive average team you’ll see.

I was fuming at 3 wasted points but it was probably the best thing ever as BR finally realised.
If we make CL football it’ll be largely down to Fulham away and how we changed it, stopped the rot with a crucial bounce back win which allowed us to get Vards and Wilf back to then have a better fight vs Liverpool.

 

To compare to Wilf:

Home record with him:

4 wins 1 draw 1 loss(not in DM).

Brighton - absolutely dominated them.

Southampton - On the back of a win vs Pool, this was peak Southampton. We played brilliantly and won a big game. Southampton never recovered since.

Chelsea - Bashed them so convincingly they sacked sir Frank.

Liverpool - Champions put to the sword.

The draw being vs Utd - a hard fought good point vs a top team who were bang in form.

 

Not only are the stats so damning and obvious, but Mendy has actually played in the games that are a lot easier on paper and yet still we seem to be ‘run over’ more.

Funny how Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd, Southampton all with much better squads than the likes of Fulham and Leeds didn’t run us over.

I know stats and reality isn’t as important on here as nodding along to the narrative but the reality is, it’s quite clear the truth of the matter.

 

[Koke]

Mate, nobody is saying Mendy is better than Ndidi. 

[Hales]

😳😳😳

[Nick]

This shit again. Great.

[Ric Flair]

I'm loving this new lease of life from Choudhury and we've seen it with a few players under Rodgers. With Perez both crap and out injured and Albrighton showing signs of a poor spell, I hope Rodgers and his coaches are getting stuck in to Ünder to get him confident and motivated to make an impact. 

 

Choudhury had been pretty mediocre for a while but I think Rodgers really boosted his morale with his promise of playing him and sometimes that's all players need to hit a purple patch. 

 

Ündrr has the ability but right now his career here is going to fizzle out and it'll be too easy not to make it permanent, I hope we have one last drive at getting him firing.

[deanolegend1989]

7 minutes ago, Koke said:

Mate, nobody is saying Mendy is better than Ndidi. 

They were a few months back but they know they would look incredibly stupid now that’s why it’s the old ‘nobody is saying it’.

People also said Vardy is conference level so as per usual clueless people on here.

 

You did state above that Mendy is better than Hamza which is also more nonsense.

 

Wilf is a million times better than both of them. I’ve said that before and since the strange fan base we have who we’re questioning if Wilf should get his place back off Mendy when fit 🤣🤣🤣.

After that though, Hamza is way better as a back up. He’s come in and we look far more robust and not run over. Not conceded in 2 and a half games with him and have managed well without Wilf. He’s no where near Wilf but he’s a very solid back up and with his age and Rodgers coaching, he can become a good squad player for us in the future.

 

For next season, We need 1 creative CM back up to Youri only in the squad and get rid of Mendy. Youri plays too much because he’s the only CM we have who can create anything. Without him we have zero threat so we do need a number 8 of decent back up in the summer for the CL(hopefully).

 

A squad of Tielemens and Ndidi as first choice. Hamza as back up to Wilf, new number 8 as back up to Youri and Praet as cover for Madders and Youri as extra cover. Those 5 would make a strong squad in the central areas.

A back up for Vardy the only other must fill position.

[filbertway]

22 hours ago, Countryfox said:

Can't wait for the day when VAR has CFF* capability to deal with excessive simulation ...   

 

 

*cheatingforeignfvcker

Is it specifically foreigners so we can get away with Maddison and Vardy cheating?

 

[Corky]

I think people were saying that Mendy was better on the ball than Ndidi, not that he was an all round better player.

 

If everyone had a choice Ndidi would be in every time.

[Raw Dykes]

So, @deanolegend1989, could you please finally put this debate to bed. For ages now, we've all been on tenterhooks wondering what the truth really is. You can keep us guessing for so long, but eventually, it becomes cruel, and we need to move on with our lives at last.

 

Would you put us out of our misery and finally reveal...

 

Who do you think is the better player? Ndidi or Mendy?

Edited 20 February 2021 by Raw Dykes

[Corky]

I love the fact Rodgers was pissed off with the ref and their antics and wanted to send on someone to dish it out.

 

 

[deanolegend1989]

1 minute ago, Raw Dykes said:

So, @deanolegend1989, could you please finally put this debate to bed. For ages now, we've all been on tenterhooks wondering what the truth really is. You can keep us guessing for so long, but eventually, it becomes cruel, and we need to move on with our lives at last.

 

Would you put us out of our misery and finally reveal...

 

Who is the better player? Ndidi or Mendy?

Not sure tbh, it’s a really tough debate. Watching the games and looking at the stats, it does seem Mendy is the key to our success. Without Mendy we’d be fighting with Sheffield Utd I think so I guess Wilf should be dropped.

[HighPeakFox]

1 hour ago, deanolegend1989 said:

Calling someone special because they don’t nod along to the FT narrative basically just confirms your lack of knowledge on football and your opinion is null and void.

The funny thing now BR has realised what I’ve been saying for over a year now so our results will improve and that’s all I care about.

The sooner Mendy leaves the club the better. Problem is no one will want him obviously so he might be here another year yet stinking the place out.

 

No Deano, I call you special because I can absolutely set my watch by you.

Edited 20 February 2021 by HighPeakFox