Choudhury

[Cecchini1976]

29 minutes ago, martyn said:

Was decent today, but nothing more. But that was probably good enough to be about our best player on the day alongside Justin. Did very well to help snuff out Traore in the 2nd half.

 

You could tell he was absolutely committed to not making mistakes, and that resulted in him being a bit too safe and slow with his distribution at times. There were a couple of times he could set up a counter but took 3 or 4 touches before releasing it. But that's be my only complaint with him today.

Spot on, did nothing wrong, just seemed scared to carry the ball or play it first time. Just seems to be lacking confidence ever since Klopp and Bruce publicly had a go at him for the challenges on Salah and Ritchie 

[funkyrobot]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

So what? It's not his role to unlock a 5-man defence

 

Such a weird stick to beat him with. 

 

If he gave the ball away a lot with his safe passes I'd be worried. 

I would expect a central midfielder at the top end of the premier league to show some ability and confidence to try and play some balls that may help bring a goal. Hamza shuffled the ball backwards and it resulted in Evans often having to attempt a percentage pass instead. It’s also slowed our game and allowed Wolves to pretty much leave him alone when we had the ball and focus all of their attention on Tielemans.   

[18to18]

27 minutes ago, StanSP said:

 

And guess what, he's done that job amicably. 

 

amicably - in a friendly and peaceable manner.

 

I think you're in search of:

 

admirably - in a way that arouses or deserves respect and approval.

 

Though, if you are commenting on his lack of red cards, then I apologize, he's been quite amicable!

[deep blue]

1 hour ago, davieG said:

No one was on their top form today and he perform as well as anyone as for his passing maybe he’s been instructed to keep it simple and safe and leave it to the more establish players to do the positive stuff.

 

A pretty dour team performance.

I suspect that's the case re his passing.  He can't win on here; if he plays a forward pass that doesn't come off he gets berated; if he sticks to safe passes he still can't win.  Whether he's been given instructions to play safe or not, it's still not surprising that he may feel he needs a few more games under his belt before he regains the confidence to play more forward passes, which naturally involve more risk.  My memory may be false here, but I thought when he was playing well, before he went into decline, he made a number of good forward passes and forward runs, and certainly he scored a peach of a goal, so not lacking in the ability to give an attacking contribution.

[Kevin Russell]

I’d love a squad where we had Wilf and an equally good understudy, but that’s a very big ask.

 

I think Hamza was superb in the tackle today and positionally he did a great job covering JJ as Traore grew into the game early in the 2nd half.

 

Starting to look like a very safe pair of hands and a player who can provide a balance to our more creative players.

 

Our problem today was more the lack of penetration off the right wing. 
 

Really pleased with Hamza though - very solid performance and I think Rodgers can develop his forward passing and encourage him to drive forward.

[Collymore]

Awful when he gets plenty of the ball and plays really boring negative passes. 

 

Awesome when he's let loose on their key players. 

[l444ry]

22 hours ago, Collymore said:

Awful when he gets plenty of the ball and plays really boring negative passes. 

 

Awesome when he's let loose on their key players. 

He does the same things as Mendy in that role Collymore. Clearly that's what Rodgers has asked him to do. Both can't hold a candle to Wilf. 

Edited 8 February 2021 by l444ry

[frany104]

I’ve criticised him a lot this year and don’t think he’s good enough, however I thought he was really good today and one of our best players. Really protected the back 4 and his passing was better. Couple of silly errors but when your not playing regularly they will happen. Hopefully he kicks on and gains some more confidence from that performance. 

[thereeldeel]

The goal posts set by the foxestalks critics are forever shifting for Choudhury to be considered a good player.
 

When he’s aggressive, he’s a flight risk. When he plays cautious he’s not doing enough. When he plays it simple, he’s too safe. When he’s playing a riskier pass, he’s a terrible passer. When he gets forward he should be defending. When he stays back he’s a passenger.

 

Seems like today when he had a great performance in his defensive role people are asking why he’s not contributing to goals. Surely you should be asking those questions of the other midfielders and attackers who are meant to play that role, not to mention that they play every damn week. If you don’t want the chap to do well that’s fine but don’t pretend like he doesn’t add value. Harvey and Ben were both hated on massively,  they were also both terribly inconsistent, despite this they got to play week in week out. A luxury Choudhury hasn’t been afforded. So credit the lad for the clean sheet and go clean your own sheets because ndidi and mendy excite you way too much. 

Edited 7 February 2021 by thereeldeel

[MPH]

Lad did well. Pleased we kept him ahead of signing a second rate championship midfielder.

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

I don't get this dichotomy (polychotomy) that permeates this forum at times and probably sport overall, so my fault I expect. Hamza isn't Ndidi, isn't Mendy. We compare them all but really each has their skills and strengths and weaknesses. Ndidi is the best overall I think it's fair to say, though his passing and shooting isn't as great as it could/should be for him to be in the ultra elite. Mendy recycles the ball well and though not the physically strongest, does that well and has been a bonus. But he works hard. Hamza is physical. Could inprove his passing and workrate but for me, if he is on his game, adds that physical dimension well. They all don our shirt and if picked, I'll support them as objectively as possible. No shit Sherlock, I expect. 

Edited 7 February 2021 by Cadno'r Cymoedd

[Clever Fox]

Defensively he done well today especially second Half. However he offers nothing going forward and that's what effected us most today. He never played one forward pass in the game.

It's as if he's afraid to play a forward pass thru fear.

 

We really missed Wilf  pace and that's the challenge to find someone with pace and can pass forward.

 

[ousefox]

26 minutes ago, MPH said:

Lad did well. Pleased we kept him ahead of signing a second rate championship midfielder.

But less pleased he kept out a player who has performed so well when called upon in that position this season. Mendy just offers so much more and moves the ball forward. 

 

Hamza played well enough today so I can't criticise him; I just feel like we missed what Mendy could have offered instead. As soon as I saw him starting over Mendy, I knew we weren't winning that game. 

Edited 7 February 2021 by ousefox

[Major Singh Chail]

It was tatical by Rogers. Needed someone to do a job on Traore.

Mendy would have been a bit light weight.

[StanSP]

30 minutes ago, ousefox said:

But less pleased he kept out a player who has performed so well when called upon in that position this season. Mendy just offers so much more and moves the ball forward. 

 

Hamza played well enough today so I can't criticise him; I just feel like we missed what Mendy could have offered instead. As soon as I saw him starting over Mendy, I knew we weren't winning that game. 

Did you think the same on Wednesday then as well? 

 

Very basic way of thinking to believe that one player means we won't win a game

[AKCJ]

Did okay but for me he's some way behind Mendy.

[Koke]

I'm surprised Mendy sat out the last 2 games. He's better than Choudhury. 

[gurru991]

I have been a critic of him but fair dues he played well today & showed potential I didn't think he had. I think Brendan can turn him into quality player !

[MPH]

1 hour ago, ousefox said:

But less pleased he kept out a player who has performed so well when called upon in that position this season. Mendy just offers so much more and moves the ball forward. 

 

Hamza played well enough today so I can't criticise him; I just feel like we missed what Mendy could have offered instead. As soon as I saw him starting over Mendy, I knew we weren't winning that game. 

 

if he had come in and played like a lemon, I’d agree with you, but he didn’t. It’s quite the luxury having two players able to come in and do well... We’ll have the same problem with our full backs when Castagne is back and fully fit but that’s a good problem to have not a bad one.
 

Mendy is no mug but I think Rodgers probably was wary of the threat the wolves midfield can potentially make so wanted a bit more steel in the middle..

Edited 8 February 2021 by MPH

[Bptiger]

Did anyone see him pass the ball forward , how the hell can u win games by playing the ball backwards all day , good defence set but he is useless going forward , what the hell has mendy done wrong

[Kevin Russell]

6 hours ago, AKCJ said:

Did okay but for me he's some way behind Mendy.

It is difficult with Mendy, because he is a really clever little player and he gives it everything, but he can get physically overpowered. When we lose Wilf the difference in physicality when replaced by Mendy is huge.

 

Hamza is probably better defensively, but Mendy is far better on the ball and does a great job moving the ball quickly.

 

If Hamza can add drive and forward passing to his game I think we’ll have a real player on our hands.

[dayday]

7 hours ago, Clever Fox said:

Defensively he done well today especially second Half. However he offers nothing going forward and that's what effected us most today. He never played one forward pass in the game.

It's as if he's afraid to play a forward pass thru fear.

 

We really missed Wilf  pace and that's the challenge to find someone with pace and can pass forward.

 

There’s not a lot more he could of done, Wolves low block made us play sideways.

 

If Rodgers had played Under then things might have been different as we would then have 2 wingers who can breakdown the Wolves defence.

 

In the circumstances he played very well.

[Countryfox]

Shame he didn’t get his move to Newcastle and we had got someone else in .. he’s just not good enough anymore. 

[jmono84]

Hamza has grown on me over the last year but he’s either been told to not be too expansive with his passing or moving forward or he’s not got the confidence to do it.

 

Tackling and tracking runners is his strength and I enjoy watching this side of his game but as a youngish lad I want him to be pushing Wilf for a start, or at least making more appearances and if he can’t make it here then look to try and be more of a first teamer elsewhere.

[frany104]

How is he getting criticism??? I’ve not been his biggest fan but he was clearly one of our best players yesterday. People saying Mendy passes forward better hamza??? All Mendy does is pass sideways. 
 

give the lad some credit for a good performance. I’m pretty confident without him yday we would have lost.