Beating all of the 'big 6' in the 20/21 season - that'd be a first

[Foxaholic ME]

19 hours ago, BenTheFox said:

I absolutely loathe the idea of the 'big six' or 'top six'. It's a complete myth. Most people on this forum weren't born the last time Tottenham won the league. 

Agreed when Tottenham last won the league  we were  the second best team in the country could have done the double  2 years later. As a  really long time supporter I have never known how we became little Leicester we paid world record sums at the time  for Lennie Glover  @ Alan Clarke  and huge sums for Weller Birchenall  Steve Earle  and Jon Sammels   who left Arsenal Chelsea and Fulham . With a level playing field the league was much harder  and unlike Tottenham and Newcastle teams like Burnley and Ipswich live in the present and not the past when they won it

[KingsX]

Refer to the League table for the top six.  Refer to this graph for the "Big Six".

 

 

[Jobyfox]

11 hours ago, KingsX said:

Refer to the League table for the top six.  Refer to this graph for the "Big Six".

 

 

This graphically shows the massive advantage the richest 6 clubs have. 

 

The difference between West Ham in 7th to Huddersfield in 20th is $90m 

The difference between West Ham to Arsenal in 6th is $240m

 

This isn't a debate about whether Spurs should be considered big because they last won the league in 1961. This is about cold, hard, cash. 

[David Hankey]

Surely all this is nonsense as it is all about what happens on the pitch on the day.

 

Big Clubs, rich Clubs, ones with huge reputations can and do come unstuck. It really matters not a jot.

 

You can only play against what's in front of you whether that a team full of "stars" or those having a crisis.

 

We have proved we are capable of beating anyone so let's get on with the rest of the season and hope the players keep performing as they have done and who knows.

[HighPeakFox]

Bit of a diatribe...

Edited 16 February 2021 by HighPeakFox

[ceredigion]

It used to be the Big Five in the 80s and 90. It consisted of Man Utd, Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal and, annoyingly, Tottenham. Man City and Chelsea were nowhere to be seen back then. They were joke clubs like Birmingham and Newcastle, much more likely to go down than win the league.

[Jobyfox]

47 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

Surely all this is nonsense as it is all about what happens on the pitch on the day.

 

Big Clubs, rich Clubs, ones with huge reputations can and do come unstuck. It really matters not a jot.

 

You can only play against what's in front of you whether that a team full of "stars" or those having a crisis.

 

We have proved we are capable of beating anyone so let's get on with the rest of the season and hope the players keep performing as they have done and who knows.

 

It only matters in respect of the fact that after every poor season they can re-invest and go again. They start every season with the expectation of finishing top six irrespective of how they performed in the previous one and never have to worry about going down.

 

42 minutes ago, ceredigion said:

It used to be the Big Five in the 80s and 90. It consisted of Man Utd, Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal and, annoyingly, Tottenham. Man City and Chelsea were nowhere to be seen back then. They were joke clubs like Birmingham and Newcastle, much more likely to go down than win the league.

Very true. It took billions of pounds of investment, over a short period of time, for Man City and Chelsea to force their way in. We all talk about slow, sustained, investment and sensible growth to compete with the richest six, but it's actually something that's never been done in my lifetime. 

[mozartfox]

I suppose we must be grateful that the term 'Top 6' is being used less frequently these days and replaced with 'Big 6', this in recognition of the serial failures of Spuds and the Arse in very recent seasons.   It's a long slow process and the Bell-ends at Sky Sports are finding it difficult to accept change.

[adam95581]

On 14/02/2021 at 22:32, Koke said:

The only true shock was Man City away 

 

Arsenal - they were about 15th when we best them.

 

Spurs - RodgersBall > MourinhoBall. Easy win

 

Chelsea - Lampard was about to lose his job. Another easy win.

 

Liverpool  - huge injury crisis and they lost 4 of their last 5. 

Who pissed on your cornflakes? 😂

[Koke]

15 hours ago, KingsX said:

Refer to the League table for the top six.  Refer to this graph for the "Big Six".

 

 

 

How are our revenues on par with Newcastle? 

[Chrysalis]

How did spurs get their revenue so high?

[UHDrive]

58 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

How did spurs get their revenue so high?

I'm wondering that. Especially with their debt over their £1billion stadium. Those graphics must be out of date or incorrect.

[Raw Dykes]

4 minutes ago, UHDrive said:

I'm wondering that. Especially with their debt over their £1billion stadium. Those graphics must be out of date or incorrect.

It's revenue, not profit.

[UHDrive]

7 minutes ago, Raw Dykes said:

It's revenue, not profit.

It would be easier to have it based on profits and club debts. That would swing the table around a bit.

[filbertway]

8 minutes ago, UHDrive said:

It would be easier to have it based on profits and club debts. That would swing the table around a bit.

Not really useful as the point of the graphic is how much money we have available to spend on wages and transfers, not to try and get us high as possible. Definitely the competitive fan in you that's coming out there haha

 

[Detroit Blues]

4 minutes ago, UHDrive said:

It would be easier to have it based on profits and club debts. That would swing the table around a bit.

You're mixing the income statement with the balance sheet. Profit/Revenue/Expenses are part of the income statement. Debt/Assets/Equity is part of the balance sheet. You may think I am being pedantic, and I am, but I'll explain why it is important.

 

That big shiny stadium has value. It's an asset. They might have financed it with a lot of debt, but even if Tottenham Hotspur goes belly up, that stadium still could be sold for a sizeable amount of money. It's the same thing we are doing with the new practice facility. We have been very tidy in our investments, both in players and facilities. But at the end of the day, we are limited by our relative low amount of revenue compared to the rest of top 6.  We only have so much cash we can invest in transfers, wages and facilities. 

 

That said, finishing in the Champions League places year in and year out could change that.

[Bazly]

On 14/02/2021 at 22:47, Nalis said:

Any records referencing the 'big 6' are only applicable to the last 10 or so years really.

 

For example, beating Newcastle or Leeds in the late 90s / early 2000s was a better achievement than beating Man City or Spurs.

This is indeed very true. I'm old enough to recall it was a big 4. Then Chelsea came from mid table (second division) mediocrity to the billionaires club to make it a top 5 and Spurs kind of fell into it to make up the 6th because they were title challengers each and every year up until December.

[Oxfordfox83]

On 16/02/2021 at 09:07, ceredigion said:

It used to be the Big Five in the 80s and 90. It consisted of Man Utd, Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal and, annoyingly, Tottenham. Man City and Chelsea were nowhere to be seen back then. They were joke clubs like Birmingham and Newcastle, much more likely to go down than win the league.

Nah-Big 5 was never a thing. Everton weren’t big in the 90s, and Forest were bigger than Spurs for most of the 80s/90s period. Newcastle also much bigger than either of those two in the 90s, and much much more likely to win the league than Liverpool.

 

92-Abramovich was big 2: Man U and Arsenal.

Then you can add Chelsea, then Man City.
Liverpool only became a force in the league when Rodgers came in, then progressed in Klopp’s second year. They were miles off until then, and without the 2005 miracle comeback they might never have recovered. Spurs is pure weight of numbers, by being better than the worst of the other 5 every year for ages.

[waylander]

On 15/02/2021 at 06:32, Koke said:

The only true shock was Man City away 

 

Arsenal - they were about 15th when we best them.

 

Spurs - RodgersBall > MourinhoBall. Easy win

 

Chelsea - Lampard was about to lose his job. Another easy win.

 

Liverpool  - huge injury crisis and they lost 4 of their last 5. 

You miserable Git 😘

[Fox92]

12 hours ago, Oxfordfox83 said:

Nah-Big 5 was never a thing. Everton weren’t big in the 90s, and Forest were bigger than Spurs for most of the 80s/90s period. Newcastle also much bigger than either of those two in the 90s, and much much more likely to win the league than Liverpool.

 

92-Abramovich was big 2: Man U and Arsenal.

Then you can add Chelsea, then Man City.
Liverpool only became a force in the league when Rodgers came in, then progressed in Klopp’s second year. They were miles off until then, and without the 2005 miracle comeback they might never have recovered. Spurs is pure weight of numbers, by being better than the worst of the other 5 every year for ages.

Ceredigion is right, big 5 was a thing and the clubs he mentioned were correct. Representiatves of each of those 5 clubs were in on the creation and formation of the PL.

 

Everton last won the league in 86, not exactly a million miles away from the 90's, which is why they formed part of the big 5 when the idea came around about the PL.

 

Liverpool didn't became a force in the league under Rodgers. Houllier finished 2nd/3rd with them multiple times, as did Benitez. They won every trophy except the league in these periods. Benitez did more at the club than Rodgers did.

 

 

Edited 18 February 2021 by Fox92

[LestaAl]

Not getting into the CL last season probably cost us £40m+

[Bazly]

Well we have done it, kind of. For the very first time completing the 'big 6' hit in a single season with the FA cup win against Manchester United today, on 21st of March 2021.

 

We get the opportunity to do it as a proper we have beaten the all of the so called big 6 in just the league when we meet them again, soon enough. Lets get that final scalp to grab this season in the league to join the other five already nailed nicely onto the trophy wall.

[CosbehFox]

The Thanos Gauntlet is complete !

[Corky]

Four of the wins (Man City, Tottenham, Chelsea and Man United) fully deserved and outplayed. Arsenal and Liverpool had some fortune involved but to beat all of them in one season is remarkable.

[Foxxed]

On 16/02/2021 at 00:09, KingsX said:

Refer to the League table for the top six.  Refer to this graph for the "Big Six".

 

 

Needs to be posted everytime someone asks "why aren't we a top six club?"

 

Rodger's has said it before. But it bears repeating.

 

Only CL money, repeatedly, and a growing fanbase willl get us near there.