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The "do they mean us?" thread pt 3

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7 minutes ago, Stoopid said:

Okay, but as I said elsewhere, European football - of whatever nature - is a rare and precious thing for a club like us. 

Despite the delusions of grandeur that seem endemic among some of our fanbase, our history suggests that when it comes along we should give it everything we have. Because it is not something that necessarily comes along year in, year out. So to surrender so meekly against a team like Slavia sits uncomfortably with me. 

And your point about money being the essential ingredient of success in football, while having obvious merit, was surely disproved forever by our achievement in 2016. As that noted football philosopher Jessie J put it, 'it ain't about the money, money, money.'

Pure desire and commitment go a long way. As our opponents reminded us so painfully last night. 

Our win in 2016 was a very rare anomaly.  When we've been in Europe before we've really had little else at stake so it was by default a bigger priority. Surely if Europe is the aim then finishing top 4 and getting CL football becomes a bigger priority.

 

I'd still like to be in the Europa League and regret that Rodgers by his own admission got it wrong but it's not the end of our season and we've still got plenty to play for.

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7 minutes ago, davieG said:

Our win in 2016 was a very rare anomaly.  When we've been in Europe before we've really had little else at stake so it was by default a bigger priority. Surely if Europe is the aim then finishing top 4 and getting CL football becomes a bigger priority.

 

I'd still like to be in the Europa League and regret that Rodgers by his own admission got it wrong but it's not the end of our season and we've still got plenty to play for.

Of course, there is still a lot to play for. And to get a CL place would be fantastic. 

My point is just that if we approach it in the same cavalier fashion as we did the Europa League, it would potentially be an even bigger embarrassment. 

Also that losing, and losing in such a weak manner, scuppers confidence - the true ingredient of success. 

Players with it try risky passes, take people on, enjoy the battle. 

Without it, they play like we did last night. Playing safe, possession for its own sake. Sideways. Backwards.

Unwilling to make mistakes. Hiding from the ball.And that mindset seems worryingly close to the surface from my observation. 

That's what concerns me going forward. 

Given our position, we should be overflowing with confidence, but we're not. Just the opposite. 

So much of football, or any sport, is played in the mind. Unfortunately, ours seem to be all over the place. It worries me. 

And setbacks like last night are not going to help.

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12 minutes ago, 4everfox said:

https://www.footballinsider247.com/mcavennie-leeds-united-told-to-raid-leicester-city-after-transfer-report/

 

Delusions of grandeur, half a year in the top league and suddenly they can raid an established Premier League club (that hasn't been lower than 5th in nearly two years) for players 😂

Frank McAvennie is an expert on football finances .......and drug taking .........

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40 minutes ago, 4everfox said:

https://www.footballinsider247.com/mcavennie-leeds-united-told-to-raid-leicester-city-after-transfer-report/

 

Delusions of grandeur, half a year in the top league and suddenly they can raid an established Premier League club (that hasn't been lower than 5th in nearly two years) for players 😂

“I know Leicester are near the top of the Premier League but Leeds are such a big club.”

 

Why on earth would someone ask this dinosaur his views. Rightly or wrongly big clubs have big revenues in today's football.

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4 hours ago, 4everfox said:

https://www.footballinsider247.com/mcavennie-leeds-united-told-to-raid-leicester-city-after-transfer-report/

 

Delusions of grandeur, half a year in the top league and suddenly they can raid an established Premier League club (that hasn't been lower than 5th in nearly two years) for players 😂

Let's hope nobody told him about Kasper Schmeichel.

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15 minutes ago, Corky said:

Let's hope nobody told him about Kasper Schmeichel.

To be fair from memory Leeds wanted rid and Kasper wanted to stay. What a foolish decision that looks like from a Leeds point of view. They thought he was a liability 😂

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4 hours ago, 4everfox said:

https://www.footballinsider247.com/mcavennie-leeds-united-told-to-raid-leicester-city-after-transfer-report/

 

Delusions of grandeur, half a year in the top league and suddenly they can raid an established Premier League club (that hasn't been lower than 5th in nearly two years) for players 😂

I can't stand the Leeds love in. I honestly can't. Sky, all the pundits, ex players Leeds are a massive club etc. 

 

Bore off.

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32 minutes ago, Ashley said:

I can't stand the Leeds love in. I honestly can't. Sky, all the pundits, ex players Leeds are a massive club etc. 

 

Bore off.

I just don’t get it, it’s provably such a myth which is what makes it even more bizarre to me, they’ve won a similar amount of trophies to Huddersfield Town, spent less time in the top tier than about 20 other clubs, us included, they’re not even in the top 10 for attendances historically, they don’t appear to have any massive significant overseas fan base, they have a solid local fan base but like most their attendances unsurprisingly increase when they’re doing well.

 

The only thing they have is an ego and a bit of success when most pundits were young, which probably explains the love in.

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Oh and the Bielsa love in and get in the bin as well. 

 

Hes won four. Yes FOUR trophies in his managerial career. 

 

Oh if you want add the gold medal at the Olympics too. Is he really that good...

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3 minutes ago, Ashley said:

Oh and the Bielsa love in and get in the bin as well. 

 

Hes won four. Yes FOUR trophies in his managerial career. 

 

Oh if you want add the gold medal at the Olympics too. Is he really that good...

He's a specialist in failure. There's a reason why he had to go down to the championship to get a job. He has no loyalty and has proved time and time again to be a poor club manager. International football, he's got some credentials but in club football he deserves very little credit. 

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1 hour ago, peach0000 said:

He's a specialist in failure. There's a reason why he had to go down to the championship to get a job. He has no loyalty and has proved time and time again to be a poor club manager. International football, he's got some credentials but in club football he deserves very little credit. 

You are talking nonsense - only Lille could be considered a failure in his club manager career. 
 

You’d don’t take a club like Bilbao where you have a selective signing/team policy to cup finals whilst being a failure as a coach 

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5 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

You are talking nonsense - only Lille could be considered a failure in his club manager career. 
 

You’d don’t take a club like Bilbao where you have a selective signing/team policy to cup finals whilst being a failure as a coach 

 

I'd say Lazio was a disappointment too.

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Just now, HighPeakFox said:

Talking about Bielsa and Sky etc in a thread meant to be about us is kind of funny - you're all now just as guilty! :) 

I don’t think the broadcasters really explain why Bielsa has such a cult behind him and that’s where the resentment lies. The bloke’s practically considered royalty in Chile and Bilbao.

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Just now, Cardiff_Fox said:

I don’t think the broadcasters really explain why Bielsa has such a cult behind him and that’s where the resentment lies. The bloke’s practically considered royalty in Chile and Bilbao.

It's still highly ironic, whatever the reason :) 

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8 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

You are talking nonsense - only Lille could be considered a failure in his club manager career. 
 

You’d don’t take a club like Bilbao where you have a selective signing/team policy to cup finals whilst being a failure as a coach 

Others have done it with Bilbao. Lazio, Marseille and Espanyol weren't exactly successful. Also Argentina. Can't speak for his time managing in Argentina as I don't have a clue but looking at stats it doesn't look amazing. Chile, Leeds and Bilbao are his only successes. Not exactly amazing for a manager who has been around for the best part of 3 decades.

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