Punishment for the 6 clubs?

[Guest Basildon Fox]

2 minutes ago, bmt said:

They would definitely get the backing to make a super league if you did all of that!

Then they can all **** off and do one.  A heavy punishment is the only way to stop this from happening again.

 

The bullys have been threatening and getting their own way for years.  It took 48 hours of standing up to them for them to fold.  If you do nothing then they will do it again anyway.  What lesson is learnt?

[4everfox]

55 minutes ago, bennytwohats said:

You’ve said it, all actions have consequences - what if that punishment meant the clubs felt backed back into the super league proposals?

 

I get it, people feel betrayed and are calling for blood. There is a bigger picture that needs to be considered here though. I’ll say it again but reforms are the way forward here - eg if we went to a 51% model like Germany - that gives the fans power and effectively prevents this situation happening again. That’s the bigger picture. Implicitly it’s also stripping the owners of their power, punishing those who are directly responsible, rather than the fans, players and managers who, let’s not forget, were instrumental in getting this thing overturned.

Then the government step in and sabotage the super league. They can't win.

[Vestan Pance]

I'd go round to their house and trick them into contravening article 73 of UN Security resolution so they incur the wrath of the world's major military powers.

Edited 21 April 2021 by Vestan Pance

[Chrysalis]

5 minutes ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said:

Then they can all **** off and do one.  A heavy punishment is the only way to stop this from happening again.

 

The bullys have been threatening and getting their own way for years.  It took 48 hours of standing up to them for them to fold.  If you do nothing then they will do it again anyway.  What lesson is learnt?

Watched a podcast with the palace chairman on it, attitude was all wrong, his only concern was getting things back to how they are, he didnt say it but I expect  all he was bothered about is keeping the existing tv contract value and been able to play these clubs every season.

 

The message he should have been sending out out even if it was a bluff, was all 6 can **** off, we can carry on without you, we dont need you.

[chapero82]

Relegating them to the championship would be good for the EFL imagine the the draw of money for it, it could save a lot of clubs I bet 

[Nick]

2 minutes ago, Vestan Pance said:

I'd go round to their house and trick them into contravening article 73 of UN Security resolution so they incur the wrath of the world's major military powers.

Not Chelsea or Man City though as they joined late and by accident and didn't read the small print.

[The whole world smiles]

Just now, chapero82 said:

Relegating them to the championship would be good for the EFL imagine the the draw of money for it, it could save a lot of clubs I bet 

Would it though it would basically mean no promotion for 3 years. 

[Webbo]

3 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

Would it though it would basically mean no promotion for 3 years. 

That's a fair point. Relegating the big 6 would mean 6 sellout home games and more worldwide interest, but if you were a team like, say, Bristol City, it'd make it very unlikely you'd get promotion for 3 years. 

[Chrysalis]

On the no promotion posts I take it people havent been reading all posts, as I addressed it.  it could even go one step further.

 

So basically this season 6-9 would be promoted anyway.

But for the following seasons reserve one auto promotion spot to the highest finishing non big 6 club, and also 2 play off spots for the 2nd and 3rd highest finishers with a promise the 2 big 6 clubs play each other in playoff semis making sure they both not in the final.  The playoffs are a lottery so it wouldnt be a given a big 6 club would get through them.

Edited 21 April 2021 by Chrysalis

[chapero82]

17 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

Would it though it would basically mean no promotion for 3 years. 

Never thought of that, maybe a points deduction enough so they can’t get top four and a cup ban this season would be enough 

[GingerrrFox]

There has to be a punishment. I think it will be mainly financial (the money should be distributed down the pyramid) anything that results in these clubs missing out on Europe or even relegation will set them off again. 

 

 

[Chrysalis]

5 minutes ago, chapero82 said:

Never thought of that, maybe a points deduction enough so they can’t get top four and a cup ban this season would be enough 

See my post above yours.

[Glorious Leicester Fan]

I don’t know what’s worse: the ESL or the clubs faux apologises. Who would of thought a American billionaire cared so passionately about the future of the footballing pyramid? Also, who would of thought fans are an essential part of any football team?

Edited 21 April 2021 by Glorious Leicester Fan

[chapero82]

5 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

See my post above yours.

That’s a great idea also mate 

[Scanchez]

They'll all get silly fines.

The equivalent of fining me a fiver.

There will be no dropping down leagues or point reductions.

[Vestan Pance]

45 minutes ago, chapero82 said:

Relegating them to the championship would be good for the EFL imagine the the draw of money for it, it could save a lot of clubs I bet 

Isn't the EFL championship the third best attended League in Europe or something? I'm surprised three EFL teams weren't invited anyway😆

[4everfox]

22 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

There has to be a punishment. I think it will be mainly financial (the money should be distributed down the pyramid) anything that results in these clubs missing out on Europe or even relegation will set them off again. 

 

 

That's why the government should bring in laws that prohibit British clubs from participating in breakaway football leagues. We need to make it impossible for them to object any punishment they get. Annoyed that you've been relegated? How about a 50 point deduction whilst you lay in the bed you made for yourself? Get these cheating scum clubs out of the Premier League!

[FoxinNotts]

2 minutes ago, Scanchez said:

They'll all get silly fines.

The equivalent of fining me a fiver.

There will be no dropping down leagues or point reductions.

What about banning them from the CL for a period of time?

[Scanchez]

3 minutes ago, FoxinNotts said:

What about banning them from the CL for a period of time?

I'd like to see them severely punished.

Ban from Europe for a bit is not a bad shout.

I just feel like those teams carry so much power that they'll get off lightly. 

[Brizzle Fox]

1 hour ago, Webbo said:

That's a fair point. Relegating the big 6 would mean 6 sellout home games and more worldwide interest, but if you were a team like, say, Bristol City, it'd make it very unlikely you'd get promotion for 3 years. 

To be honest if you were a team like say Bristol City there is already an expectation that you wouldn't get promotion for 30 years. Or ever. 

[urban fox]

punishment should fit the crime. They wanted a closed shop, give them one. Relegated to div 2 with a 40 points deduction for the next three seasons meaning it would take them at least six years to get anywhere near the premiership again. All this rubbish about punishing the fans is nonsense. the REAL fans will continue to support their teams through thick and thin (we should know for gods sake, and it was not that long ago that MCFC were in div3). Of course the plastics will all leave in their droves which will hit their incomes from streaming rights and merch in Asia et al but tough luck. 

Of course this will never happen as UEFA and PL will not want to lose their cash cows. No punishment however will simply encourage them to try something like this again

[yorkie1999]

2 hours ago, FoxCal said:

Can’t get my head around this idea that a points deduction isn’t  appropriate because it ‘only hurts the fans, players and managers who aren’t to blame’. They aren’t to blame. But so what?

 

Are the fans to blame when poor club management or self interest leads to administration? Those fans, players and managers have enough to worry about in not getting paid or having no club left to support before points deductions and, more often than not, relegations.

 

Every club has peaks and troughs. Maybe they’re all due one. They can’t keep behaving as though they’re invincible. Has to be substantial fines that are distributed across the Championship and below as well as an immediate and/or substantial point deduction going into next season.

It is partly the players fault, they're not all innocent in this.The business models of all clubs have taken a massive financial hit due to the pandemic. Sky withheld £300 million from the premier league due to matches not being played yet the players refused to take a pay cut, even though they knew there was no revenue coming in to pay their wages. What did they do, we'll donate some of our wages to the nhs. £4 million quid got to the nhs, about 20 minutes worth of all their time. The business models of clubs, especially the big 6 who rely on champions league money, is not working, there needs to be reduced wages and reduced transfer fees and also contracts that state a player cannot jump ship and bugger off to the highest bidder, like what has happened in rugby where the English sides cannot hold on to their players because of the wage cap the RFU impose, yet other clubs in europe don't have the same wage cap.

[Webbo]

4 minutes ago, Brizzle Fox said:

To be honest if you were a team like say Bristol City there is already an expectation that you wouldn't get promotion for 30 years. Or ever. 

Even with St Nigel in charge?! 

[Brizzle Fox]

Just now, Webbo said:

Even with St Nigel in charge?! 

Unless he can get the gang back together. Then anything is possible! 

[Spudulike]

This is brilliant. LCFC are you watching? Let's get all those Merseyside Reds shirts out of our city... 

 

https://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/2021/april/big-six-shirt-amnesty-launched/