Punishment for the 6 clubs?

[Strokes]

If these clubs are not punished one way or another, it spits in the face of clubs who have suffered transfer embargo’s or points deduction because of unscrupulous owners. We cannot separate the club from its owners not in this instance or ever. They are a collective.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

4 hours ago, UniFox21 said:

The issue once again revolves around whether they can prove the clubs had signed up for that super league, or whether it was just intent. We don't know the contract these clubs signed, and therefore we don't know the level of punishment that can be given out. 

 

I'm all for fines, some kind of embargo or points deduction. But I can't see the larger ones happening.

The Super League website is still there showing each clubs badges and stadia (which are clearly there with the clubs expressed permission), each club published a statement confirming their intent to participate on their own websites and then also issued statements confirming their withdrawal and in some cases a contrite apology.

 

Oh and board positions had been granted and it’s chair Perez game a bloody interview confirming the clubs involvement. 

 

What more proof is needed? 

[deep blue]

1 hour ago, urban fox said:

Despite the clamour for instant punishment I think that they should let the season play out so positions, cups etc are decided on merit. I for one would not want our first fa cup to be won by default, but rather fair and square by beating Chelsea.

once the season is complete, then give the b*stRds what they deserve. Banned from European competition next year and a 20 point deduction for next season.

This is the right approach, but I would add an incoming transfer ban for 2 seasons so that they can't counteract the points deductions by simply increasing their transfer activity, thus acquiring all the most talented players and denying them to their competitors (to a much greater extent than they do already).

[ian__marshall]

It's tricky to determine what any punishment should be as a balance needs to be found to ensure that players and fans aren't harshly affected yet the owners of these clubs understand that they've made a grave error of judgement.

 

The words 'fair' and 'proportionate' keep springing to mind. As such I'd be tempted to impose a 1 goal handicap on these teams for the remaining fixtures and to avoid any unfair advantage to the teams that they've already played, applying this retrospectively to all results involving these teams since the start of the season. 

 

It's a fair punishment as all teams outside of this group will benefit at both the top and bottom of the table, whilst it won't adversely affect those results where one of these 6 teams convincingly beat their opposition. It's proportionate in the sense that it'd change the outcome of the final table particularly impacting those teams qualifying for European spots, whilst hitting these clubs owners financially both in terms of PL prize money and loss of earnings for those teams bumped out of the CL. 

[urban.spaceman]

 

[gw_leics772]

22 hours ago, fuchsntf said:

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We've shit ourselves in the eye... 

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Best post ever 😀😀😀😀👍👍

[Guest SO1]

Its disgusting and I won't waste my time watching it. If you think he means a word of it than you have mental problems. They will be back and next time loaded for bear. They will stop at nothing for a few dollars more.

 

Edited 21 April 2021 by SO1

[fuchsntf]

18 hours ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

That's a little harsh. What happened to rehabilitation?

 

For me, the appropriate level of punishment would be to bring back the birch. In fact, bring back the birch wielded by the Birch.

 

Round them all up - the Glazers, J. Henry, Levy, Kroenke, Abramovich, Sheikh Mansour & Pérez - and get them down to Town Hall Square, Leicester (surely the appropriate venue). Get Birch along with a birch (or cat o' nine nails, his choice).

Tie them all to the fountain railings, pull down their trousers so their fat hairy arses are on display and ask Birch to thrash them until their buttocks are covered in weals.

 

Birch is getting on a bit so there might need to be interludes between birchings with appropriate diversionary entertainment - perhaps the bugler playing Post Horn Gallop or little boys running a relay race.

 

But get these plutocrats' trousers down and thrash them to within an inch of their lives. It's the only language people like that understand - and a lot more humane than killing them.

Naaa...!! Kill 'em, the Devil will be Happy to make out for them a no competitive contract, then press it into their hands  millions of scorching red Hot dublons..................for eternity....

 

Apologies from These Type of People are Not worth the paper.....it isnt written on.....!

Most likely slimely prepared beforehand....

 

If These clubs are has big as they believe....they should find new Investors straight-the-way....!!

SO... Break-off These 12 owners Contracts  Stop them owning any  football club/Franchise within the FIFA & EUEFA organisations....

There is enough business - fodder for them elsewhere...Plus

enough decent would-be and wanna-be Investors out there for these 12 clubs can grope over...!!!

Ie,.. Indian-Chinese, African-Chinese,Middle-East-Bangkock, or just simple European haulage-shipping companies & pizza-outlets..!!

Cut the 12 owners-off, Split them up, No Football-european-sport-buy- ins ,  just like they tried with us & our football....!!!

 

But Nobody will listen to straight forward Common sense....

FFs   At least Take One of their fcuking TOYS  away..!!   

 

ps....fcuk rules & regulations, Any rights the lawyers might argue......It didn t bother them now....did it..!!

 

 

Edited 22 April 2021 by fuchsntf

[fazzyfox]

To explain it in agony aunt terms - "The guy has come back to his wife but he has still had the one night stand / affair and the intention to move out and he still prefers the thought of being with his mistress. And the wife is living with that knowledge every hour of every day. He said sorry but there weren't even any flowers. Wife would throw him out but has become accustomed to the lifestyle that comes with living alongside him". 

 

Aunty Florencefox verdict - Cut off his b***s !

 

 

Edited 22 April 2021 by fazzyfox

[Zear0]

5 minutes ago, fazzyfox said:

To explain it in agony aunt terms - "The guy has come back to his wife but he has still had the one night stand / affair and the intention to move out and he still prefers the thought of being with his mistress. And the wife is living with that knowledge every hour of every day. He said sorry but there weren't even any flowers. Wife would throw him out but has become accustomed to the lifestyle that comes with living alongside him". 

 

Aunty Florencefox verdict - Cut off his b***s !

 

 

He's also come back and given his wife chlamydia. 

 

Felt obliged to build on the terrible analogy for how these clubs have had a detrimental effect on the bargaining power they have to obtain higher fees from the forthcoming broadcasting bids.  We're all likely worse off financially from this.

[Jimothy]

21 hours ago, urban fox said:

punishment should fit the crime. They wanted a closed shop, give them one. Relegated to div 2 with a 40 points deduction for the next three seasons meaning it would take them at least six years to get anywhere near the premiership again. All this rubbish about punishing the fans is nonsense. the REAL fans will continue to support their teams through thick and thin (we should know for gods sake, and it was not that long ago that MCFC were in div3). Of course the plastics will all leave in their droves which will hit their incomes from streaming rights and merch in Asia et al but tough luck. 

Of course this will never happen as UEFA and PL will not want to lose their cash cows. No punishment however will simply encourage them to try something like this again

Totally agree. Did anyone think about points deductions affecting fans and players when they deduction 25 points off Leeds or 40 odd points off Portsmouth? Or the other teams like Port Vale, Bolton, Southampton, Sheffield Wednesday, Birmingham, Luton, Rotherham, Bournemouth, Darlington, Stockport, Bury, Coventry, Plymouth, or Cambridge? All deducted points because of the actions of incompetent owners. Nobody thought of the fans players and coaches them did they.

[Bellend Sebastian]

I'm not really a details man but I would like it to involve a laser

[urban.spaceman]

Keep seeing the argument that it would be unfair to punish the players, staff and fans for the actions of the owners, which to me speaks absolute ****ing volumes about how little these clubs have been punished for wrongdoing before now. 
 

Think about fans of Portsmouth, deducted 9 points and relegated, think about Rangers fans, being kicked out of the Scottish League system all together. Christ, think about Boro, deducted 3 points in 97 for being unable to field a team cos they were all injured. And then there’s the clubs still in the EFL being punished and fined for FFP. 
 

Not being punished would only increase their arrogance. 

[Leicesterpool]

For me what's more serious teams going into administration due to poor misfunding or a club attempting to break away causing to bring the game into seriously dangerous situation. If nothing happens itll show just poor favouritism. 

Edited 22 April 2021 by Leicesterpool

[yorkie1999]

There has to be huge consequences, you can't bring the game into disrepute and basically threaten to basically destroy football and just get away with it as nothing happened. It needs to be a lengthy punishment, docking 20 points this season isn't going to really harm them as it will probably highlight how shit the CL would be if these teams weren't in it plus it would punish the teams that could end up in Europe because they're not really built for it. A massive fine wouldn't be worth it as they'd probably just borrow the money and add it to their already huge debts, all that would do is make Eufa a few bob. Relegating them down a division seems the best option to me as at least 3 of them wouldn't come straight back up, they'd be restricted by the FFP the championship employs, and it might just teach them that getting out of the championship isn't quite as easy as it seems. 

[urban.spaceman]

30 minutes ago, Leicesterpool said:

For me what's more serious teams going into administration due to poor misfunding or a club attempting to break away causing to bring the game into seriously dangerous situation. If nothing happens itll show just poor favouritism. 

That's an important point. How many clubs went into administration specifically because ITV Digital collapsed? I know we did. Obviously there was poor management, on-field relegation and the stadium, but administration simply wouldn't have happened without ITV Digital (and Dennis Wise).

 

These six clubs actively chose a path in their own interest that would also have financially wrecked every single other club. That IS worse, IMO.

[CosbehFox]

Some of 12 clubs with those debts would traditionally go into admin but they have plenty of banks happy to underwrite the debt 

[Rusko187]

Has the Premier League ever dished out a points deduction? What happened to West Ham with the Tevez/Mascherano saga?

[Guest ttfn]

2 minutes ago, Rusko187 said:

Has the Premier League ever dished out a points deduction? What happened to West Ham with the Tevez/Mascherano saga?

Portsmouth got one for going into administration and Middlesbrough got one for not turning up for a match.

[mancunianfox]

2 minutes ago, Rusko187 said:

Has the Premier League ever dished out a points deduction? What happened to West Ham with the Tevez/Mascherano saga?

£5.5 million fine for that one. Sheff Utd argued they should have got a points deduction (which I agree with).

[Dahnsouff]

Interesting, the O&C pod says that these owners and CEO's are likely to have breached the Fit and Proper test (This occurs yearly, which I did not know) and this would mean they have to give up frontline involvement, and dependant upon severity, could need to sell up.

[urban fox]

if these clubs do not get relegated/points deductions for next season then would all those such as portsmouth etc who had such penalties imposed have a legal right to compensation i wonder. In a court of law (and i know this is not one) there is such a thing as the law of precedence, where verdicts and punishments are bound by previous similar cases.

Edited 22 April 2021 by urban fox

[The Quick Brown Fox]

5 minutes ago, urban fox said:

if these clubs do not get relegated/points deductions for next season then would all those such as portsmouth etc who had such penalties imposed have a legal right to compensation i wonder. In a court of law (and i know this is not one) there is such a thing as the law of precedence, where verdicts and punishments are bound by previous similar cases.

Can I ask why next season and not this?

 

Punish them now. Hard and swift. They didn't sign next season they signed this week. 

[Fox1970]

Should adopt a choose your own punishment plan:

 

Choose one of the following options.

1. 30 point deduction

Or

2. Start each game next season with 10 players

Or

3. Start each game next season with a one goal deficit (except of course when they're playing another member of the scumbag six)

 

 

[fuchsntf]

There has to be punishment...Their Mouth-piece Perez...is still insistent its on standby, those other  cronies will be waiting in the wings...!!!!

 

Either eject them.....or it will mean there is still Sympathy within EUEFA...!!!