Punishment for the 6 clubs?

[lee7]

In my opinion the only way to hurt them is a points deduction and a ban from europe next season.

It would make them think very hard about ever trying to break away again. 

All this rubbish about don't punish the fans and players...where was that sentiment when Wigan or Bolton recieved points deductions for mistakes that the hierarchy at their clubs made?? 

None of the big 6 should avoid punishment. I can guarantee if they get away with it scot free then they'll attempt it again at a later date.

[Gubbins]

2 hours ago, GingerrrFox said:

There has to be a punishment. I think it will be mainly financial (the money should be distributed down the pyramid) anything that results in these clubs missing out on Europe or even relegation will set them off again. 

 

 

Not next season I think. They have just showed that they dont have the support or the balls to break away currently. You hit them with a relatively middling punishment like a 15 point deduction next season and I think they would have to eat it.

[turtmcfly]

3 hours ago, FoxinNotts said:

UEFA should ban all twelve teams from the next two seasons Champions Leagues, simply as that.

This would hit the clubs in the pocket in the most effective way imo.
 

It would have an effect on transfers (who would want to join/remain at those clubs with no CL).

 

I appreciate this would hurt the fans of those clubs, and that this is all not their fault, but actions have to have consequences. That’s life.

 

I think Arsenal and Spurs should get the same punishment as the other ten

 

 

[Lambert09]

9 minutes ago, turtmcfly said:

 

I think Arsenal and Spurs should get the same punishment as the other ten

 

 

They should ban the clubs from the next European football they qualify for. It shouldn’t take them long.... seeing as they are super 

[ARM1968]

30pts deduction and no champions league next season. Simple. Bunch of cvnts. 
 

likely just be a wrist slap and a don’t do it again, please. 

[FoxCal]

1 hour ago, yorkie1999 said:

It is partly the players fault, they're not all innocent in this.The business models of all clubs have taken a massive financial hit due to the pandemic. Sky withheld £300 million from the premier league due to matches not being played yet the players refused to take a pay cut, even though they knew there was no revenue coming in to pay their wages. What did they do, we'll donate some of our wages to the nhs. £4 million quid got to the nhs, about 20 minutes worth of all their time. The business models of clubs, especially the big 6 who rely on champions league money, is not working, there needs to be reduced wages and reduced transfer fees and also contracts that state a player cannot jump ship and bugger off to the highest bidder, like what has happened in rugby where the English sides cannot hold on to their players because of the wage cap the RFU impose, yet other clubs in europe don't have the same wage cap.

The Super League may well be a product that’s come about because players’ wages are so high but clubs don’t have to pay that. It’s these exact clubs that have set precedents that allow the players like Gareth Bale to be out of the Real team for two years whilst picking up £650,000 a week. I’m not sure how they possibly felt that to be a good investment even if expected to be playing every week. But they’re now meandering in €900,000,000 of debt which is the driver for all of this. It’s poor financial and club management that the players aren’t responsible for, even if they and their agents have leveraged it. 

 

I agree completely that players’ salaries are an issue. I think that there should be a cap enforced by a body. But if my employer was prepared to pay my colleagues and I an obscene amount of money that means it doesn’t matter if we work again and they don’t have the cash flow to support it over any great length of time, that’s not really our problem.

 

This whole fiasco almost demands a reset of domestic European football to some degree. The priority needs to be developing effective financial regulation through a scheme that isn’t just a thinly veiled attempt to keep clubs like The Super League lot at the top and stifle everybody else like FFP is/was - but I digress.

 

Players weren’t complicit in this this specific plot, so would be being punished unfairly. My point is that it’s ultimately irrelevant though, as much as it is in the case of administration.

[yorkie1999]

11 minutes ago, FoxCal said:

The Super League may well be a product that’s come about because players’ wages are so high but clubs don’t have to pay that. It’s these exact clubs that have set precedents that allow the players like Gareth Bale to be out of the Real team for two years whilst picking up £650,000 a week. I’m not sure how they possibly felt that to be a good investment even if expected to be playing every week. But they’re now meandering in €900,000,000 of debt which is the driver for all of this. It’s poor financial and club management that the players aren’t responsible for, even if they and their agents have leveraged it. 

 

I agree completely that players’ salaries are an issue. I think that there should be a cap enforced by a body. But if my employer was prepared to pay my colleagues and I an obscene amount of money that means it doesn’t matter if we work again and they don’t have the cash flow to support it over any great length of time, that’s not really our problem.

 

This whole fiasco almost demands a reset of domestic European football to some degree. The priority needs to be developing effective financial regulation through a scheme that isn’t just a thinly veiled attempt to keep clubs like The Super League lot at the top and stifle everybody else like FFP is/was - but I digress.

 

Players weren’t complicit in this this specific plot, so would be being punished unfairly. My point is that it’s ultimately irrelevant though, as much as it is in the case of administration.

My point was that players refused to take a wage cut during a time when the clubs required them to.

[gerrytaggart]

Kill them

[Foxxed]

Punish them by preventing future attempts.

 

Give fans a veto on league format changes.

[Out Foxed]

minimum ban from European competition for one year

[FoxCal]

22 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

My point was that players refused to take a wage cut during a time when the clubs required them to.

Apologies - frustration of it all is giving me word vomit.

 

Players should have taken pay cuts when asked, especially when a lot of the country didn’t even get the choice. Worse yet was the pathetic NHS donation, given the context and circumstance.

 

I still think them largely innocent in regards to The Super League in of itself but concede that their previous actions are likely contributors to the timing of it in particular.

[Alf Bentley]

12 minutes ago, gerrytaggart said:

Kill them

 

That's a little harsh. What happened to rehabilitation?

 

For me, the appropriate level of punishment would be to bring back the birch. In fact, bring back the birch wielded by the Birch.

 

Round them all up - the Glazers, J. Henry, Levy, Kroenke, Abramovich, Sheikh Mansour & Pérez - and get them down to Town Hall Square, Leicester (surely the appropriate venue). Get Birch along with a birch (or cat o' nine nails, his choice).

Tie them all to the fountain railings, pull down their trousers so their fat hairy arses are on display and ask Birch to thrash them until their buttocks are covered in weals.

 

Birch is getting on a bit so there might need to be interludes between birchings with appropriate diversionary entertainment - perhaps the bugler playing Post Horn Gallop or little boys running a relay race.

 

But get these plutocrats' trousers down and thrash them to within an inch of their lives. It's the only language people like that understand - and a lot more humane than killing them.

[UniFox21]

The issue once again revolves around whether they can prove the clubs had signed up for that super league, or whether it was just intent. We don't know the contract these clubs signed, and therefore we don't know the level of punishment that can be given out. 

 

I'm all for fines, some kind of embargo or points deduction. But I can't see the larger ones happening.

[Finnaldo]

If FIFA, UEFA and the PL weren’t corrupt bottlers that relied on their cash cows, then the English teams involved would be lucky to get away with not being completely expulsed from the league.  It was clear any chance of any proper punishment went when Cerefin instantly went back to kissing Man City’s feet the instant they backed out. Sickening really. 
 

We should have seen 40 points docked each. Fines in the hundreds of millions, each. Active moves to look at implementing the 50+1 rule and wage caps across all UEFA-licensed leagues. The idea of ‘elite’ or ‘super’ clubs needa to be annihilated. The accumulation of wealth at the top clubs is unsustainable and as it stands nothing stops this exact scenario happening again whenever they throw their toys out the pram. This is the Chamberlain appeasement of football and it comes with all the inevitable destruction and larger damage it’s just pushing down the road. 

[Lambert09]

You have to think what would happen if Burnley, Blackburn, Bolton, Preston and Wigan had decided to leave to create a Lancashire super league. What punishment would they get?

 

The stature of the club shouldnt matter. Because if they had done that and came back, they would have had the book thrown at them. 

[reynard]

I think all the guilty owners should be made to endure countless half time "entertainments" by the Birch. Especially if he's shouting loudly into a microphone close to their ears.

 

Can't imagine they would ever offend again.

[Corky]

Strange how the "don't punish the players and fans, punish the owners" narrative is out now.

 

Why have Dover been punished for trying to ensure they remain in existence with points deductions and huge fines?

 

If we behaved terribly in the stands, our club would be punished. So why not the other way round?

[Arkie Bennett]

14 minutes ago, Corky said:

Strange how the "don't punish the players and fans, punish the owners" narrative is out now.

 

Why have Dover been punished for trying to ensure they remain in existence with points deductions and huge fines?

 

If we behaved terribly in the stands, our club would be punished. So why not the other way round?

Entitlement. The very same characteristic that led to this situation. The greedy six's fans are more than happy to accept the benefits that come with following clubs with dodgy owners. If they are as devoted as they claim to be, the fans must accept any punishment dealt out because of their dodgy owners' activities.

[Sir Shep]

So the punishment could be asking various scum 6 executives on various committees within the EPL to step down. Well take that you nasty bullies! 

[Dahnsouff]

Could the Government, assuming it put its clutching greedy hands away, pass legislation to amend the fit and proper owner test, and run these guys out of town?

[urban fox]

Despite the clamour for instant punishment I think that they should let the season play out so positions, cups etc are decided on merit. I for one would not want our first fa cup to be won by default, but rather fair and square by beating Chelsea.

once the season is complete, then give the b*stRds what they deserve. Banned from European competition next year and a 20 point deduction for next season.

[Strokes]

Just now, urban fox said:

Despite the clamour for instant punishment I think that they should let the season play out so positions, cups etc are decided on merit. I for one would not want our first fa cup to be won by default, but rather fair and square by beating Chelsea.

once the season is complete, then give the b*stRds what they deserve. Banned from European competition next year and a 20 point deduction for next season.

I agree that all punishments should start 21/22. 

[urban.spaceman]

Here we go...

 

 

[Guest Danny Clender]

4 hours ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

That's a little harsh. What happened to rehabilitation?

 

For me, the appropriate level of punishment would be to bring back the birch. In fact, bring back the birch wielded by the Birch.

 

Round them all up - the Glazers, J. Henry, Levy, Kroenke, Abramovich, Sheikh Mansour & Pérez - and get them down to Town Hall Square, Leicester (surely the appropriate venue). Get Birch along with a birch (or cat o' nine nails, his choice).

Tie them all to the fountain railings, pull down their trousers so their fat hairy arses are on display and ask Birch to thrash them until their buttocks are covered in weals.

 

Birch is getting on a bit so there might need to be interludes between birchings with appropriate diversionary entertainment - perhaps the bugler playing Post Horn Gallop or little boys running a relay race.

 

But get these plutocrats' trousers down and thrash them to within an inch of their lives. It's the only language people like that understand - and a lot more humane than killing them.

'Besmirched By The Birch With The Birch'

This would do well on Sky Box Office, let me call JP Morgan. 

Edited 21 April 2021 by Danny Clender

[Stivo]

I believe that the most appropriate punishment is resetting all their uefa coefficients to zero.

I wonder which premier league club would then have the best coefficient?