KFS Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 Maybe the players don’t agree with the BLM movement either. Who looks more a tit in that scenario then? The person booing or the person kneeling? Like I’ve said before on here, unless you make your feelings more explicitly known (a chant or banner), the booing alone will not carry your message well. It just makes you look like a racist sympathiser. These lads are sick of racism and they are taking a knee to demonstrate. Certainly not boo-worthy imo. 3
peach0000 Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 3 minutes ago, 5waller5 said: Maybe they're booing the political organisation associated with taking the knee?? I am not a racist, I do not agree with any form of discrimination. I don't like the BLM movement and much of what it stands for. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Before every game you literally see our captain say taking the knee is 'not political'. Booing the taking of the knee is booing a stand against racism and discrimination. 2
SemperEadem Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 You don’t need to look too hard or far to read absolute guff from wrong’uns who were openly saying how they would boo it once crowds were back. Pathetic and all to be like some two bob Millwall. 4
Strokes Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 2 minutes ago, Bert said: People just need to stop being so pissing ignorant. It’s really not hard. I bet the halfwits don’t boo whilst they’re having their Indian or Chinese takeaway do they. Only if it’s substandard. 2
fuchsntf Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 2 minutes ago, Pliskin said: Unfortunately people with bias views won’t change them. But more needs to be done to punish those who decide it’s acceptable. This won’t happen on a football pitch, the PL and FA can take things into their own hands, football clubs can identify offenders and ban them for life. The only thing left to be addressed is how is low incidents level discrimination and racism get dealt with? Do we need to look at new legislation? We have hate crime legislation but it only applies to certain offences.... do we need to push for something else, particularly when it comes to social media? Racism will probably always exist unfortunately, some people will just have these views, the way we handle these people needs to be better, the fact so many people take to social media to be racist just shows the message ain’t getting across. Perhaps it’s time we reviewed the legislation and write up something more impactful. We’re quite good at dealing with significant incidences of hate crimes, but legislation doesn’t always defend the ‘lower levels’ of hate crime, malicious communication etc. This is what needs to be looked at, and potentially changed/improved. Racism to be tackled at the highest of organisations & Govt-authorities. Still too many decision makers are racist, Plus allowed to make decisions with racist intent l Its destroying the hidden voice, & shaming the actions, and taking a lawful stand, instead of hiding behind it...!! over 500 years of racist-shit & People now complaining of ca 1 years of "taking the knee" or "black-lives-matter, because they Dont feel comfortable,when Its thrown at them & they Dont know where to look......Because they cant be bothered, and Dont want it on their Step everyday...!!! Nothing has to be looked at but those peoples attitude who Think "something should be done better".. If you fcuking Dont get it now if your still missing the point.....Then you never will & remain a permanent tool for the hardened racists..!!
Unabomber Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 Just now, peach0000 said: Before every game you literally see our captain say taking the knee is 'not political'. Booing the taking of the knee is booing a stand against racism and discrimination. How do people still not get this? Must be so thick ffs
Izzy Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 13 minutes ago, Blue-fox said: I think that taking the knee has run it’s course personally. It’s hardly made a difference Dunno about that. The fact we're talking about it suggests it's still raising people's awareness - which has to be a good thing. 2
Dr The Singh Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 The knee isn't about BLM, it's now a protest against all discrimination? 1 1
st albans fox Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 2 minutes ago, 5waller5 said: Maybe they're booing the political organisation associated with taking the knee?? I am not a racist, I do not agree with any form of discrimination. I don't like the BLM movement and much of what it stands for. The two aren't mutually exclusive. That’s just a kop out the players have never associated with a Marxist organisation......they’re just doing something that highlights racism and the fact that it needs to stop. Taking a knee was a thing before BLM got momentum... we have some racist scumbags in our fa base - I heard them last year at Luton. I’m sure they were audible elsewhere. Probably the same idiots making homophobic noises at brighton. they need to be singled out and stripped of their season tickets/memberships. We don’t need them. 3
The People's Hero Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 Just now, Unabomber said: How do people still not get this? Must be so thick ffs You've met 'people' right? The public?
5waller5 Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 Just now, Mark_w said: What in particular is it you don't like about the BLM movement? It's a political organisation, it's very left wing / marxist, some of the leaders of it are fairly unsavoury. I have many reasons - I'm not going to articulate them particularly well as I'm just running a bath and am about to sign off! Making a stand against racism is great, I applaud it. Choosing to associate the message with this organisation taints the message IMHO. Maybe the booing comes from people who don't like the gesture and the organisation or maybe they're overtly racist. I suspect its the former, but I'm not one of them so can't answer that.
KFS Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 3 minutes ago, Bert said: People just need to stop being so pissing ignorant. It’s really not hard. I bet the halfwits don’t boo whilst they’re having their Indian or Chinese takeaway do they. Tbf if you speak with any Chinese person first generation they’ll tell you what we eat is pretty unrecognisable to them
5waller5 Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 Just now, st albans fox said: That’s just a kop out the players have never associated with a Marxist organisation......they’re just doing something that highlights racism and the fact that it needs to stop. Taking a knee was a thing before BLM got momentum... we have some racist scumbags in our fa base - I heard them last year at Luton. I’m sure they were audible elsewhere. Probably the same idiots making homophobic noises at brighton. they need to be singled out and stripped of their season tickets/memberships. We don’t need them. I'm not sure why that's a cop out.
Blue-fox Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 5 minutes ago, Mark_w said: What in particular is it you don't like about the BLM movement? I mean pulling down statues, defacing ones of Churchill and burning the British flag aren’t exactly fantastic efforts at tackling racism.
Strokes Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 1 minute ago, The People's Hero said: You've met 'people' right? The public? Not so much over the last 15 months tbh. 1
Mark_w Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 1 minute ago, foxinsocks said: I dont think we should do away with the police and the boarder force. Of course they should be free of racism and may have work to do The Black Lives Matter movement does not have a manifesto, it is not a movement that explicitly wants to get rid of policing. Elements do, absolutely (and given the treatment of black people by the institution it's easy to understand why/sympathise). But a lot are just calling for desperately needed reform. I mean I'm probably not the best person to comment on the border force because I don't think we should have borders, but again I think there's a broad range of opinions and no explicit BLM policy.
st albans fox Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 Just now, 5waller5 said: I'm not sure why that's a cop out. The excuse that they’re booing the politics of it. Those booing have no respect for the players ...
King of Gipsy Lane Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 Ban for life anyone booing it’s disgusting behaviour and all it suggests to the world is we are racists 3
Blue-fox Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 2 minutes ago, Izzy said: Dunno about that. The fact we're talking about it suggests it's still raising people's awareness - which has to be a good thing. I see your point. Didn’t think of it that way. There has to be a better way to do it though, a more meaningful stance. I think the social media boycott would be more beneficial if it was spread over a longer period of time.
foxinsocks Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 Just now, Mark_w said: The Black Lives Matter movement does not have a manifesto, it is not a movement that explicitly wants to get rid of policing. Elements do, absolutely (and given the treatment of black people by the institution it's easy to understand why/sympathise). But a lot are just calling for desperately needed reform. I mean I'm probably not the best person to comment on the border force because I don't think we should have borders, but again I think there's a broad range of opinions and no explicit BLM policy. You are right it is fragmented... see the piece in the times today
Mark_w Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Blue-fox said: I mean pulling down statues, defacing ones of Churchill and burning the British flag aren’t exactly fantastic efforts at tackling racism. I mean I don't think defacing symbols of racism is a worse way of tackling racism than booing a display of opposition to racism. Edited 23 May 2021 by Mark_w
Cadno'r Cymoedd Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 5waller5 said: It's a political organisation, it's very left wing / marxist, some of the leaders of it are fairly unsavoury. I have many reasons - I'm not going to articulate them particularly well as I'm just running a bath and am about to sign off! Making a stand against racism is great, I applaud it. Choosing to associate the message with this organisation taints the message IMHO. Maybe the booing comes from people who don't like the gesture and the organisation or maybe they're overtly racist. I suspect its the former, but I'm not one of them so can't answer that. A load of bollocks re BLM. This is a cop out. Edited 23 May 2021 by Cadno'r Cymoedd 1
King of Gipsy Lane Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 36 minutes ago, Bert said: The booing is disgusting. I will always be against any form of discrimination but I truly believe that this taking the knee has run its course. There are plenty of other ways to battle discrimination, the booing isn’t going to stop any time soon. If you can’t see that the booing is the problem not the symbolic gesture of solidarity with all people of colour by taking a knee then it needs to carry on and its course is far from run. 4
splinterdream Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 7 minutes ago, Mark_w said: What in particular is it you don't like about the BLM movement? I'd say it was probably Gary Mcfarlane and Sasha Johnson and the movements main objectives which aren't about making an equal society and attempting to erradicate racism
The People's Hero Posted 23 May 2021 Posted 23 May 2021 2 minutes ago, Strokes said: Not so much over the last 15 months tbh. There's a rude (re-)awakening in store for you, my friend. They're everywhere.
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