Dennis Praet

[filbertway]

11 hours ago, StriderHiryu said:

Praet for me is similar to Nacho in that I feel if he was given an extended run in the side, he would take his chance. But will he get that chance? Probably not.

 

Why Perez has been given such long stays of execution in the team over Praet I don't know. Perez, a bit like Gray when he was here has been given plenty of chances to show what he can do, and has not done much. Perez does press very well and work hard for the team, that is indisputable, but it's not like Praet waltzes around the pitch, and for me is the far more creative player. The only thing I can think of is that Rodgers wanted him to play in a diamond, as that's where he played for Sampdoria. We have used the diamond a few times, but not as often as perhaps Rodgers thought me might do.

 

If Praet was given 6-8 games consistently in the team and still didn't pull up any trees, then OK I get why it might be time to go. But I think he's only been given a maximum of 5 games in a row, when coincidentally, he looked quite good. That's why I feel the anti-Perez sentiment is valid, because he's been given so many chances by comparison. Ben Chilwell, Harvey Barnes, James Justin, Caglar Soyuncu, Wesley Fofana, Kelechi Iheanacho were all given a run in the side, and when they got given the run they improved dramatically. Even Luke Thomas and maybe even Nampalys Mendy you could argue did a similar thing. Vardy and Mahrez even!

 

Adrien Silva in fact I think had more of a run in the first team than Praet, at the end of Puel's first season when our other midfielders were injured and it was down to him and Choudhry, with the latter impressing more than Adrien.

 

So if Praet wants out, you can't really hold it against him. But I think it would be criminal not to give him a chance. Worst case scenario just say he is in the first team for European and Cup games, as that team is starting to look quite scary on it's own!

Every manager has blind spots don't they. There's almost always a player or two that outsiders and fans seem absolutely bemused about constantly being selected. Rodgers has been quite lucky in having his forced into playing certain players and then they've come good. It annoys me when people give him credit for it when he's clearly exhausted every other possible angle. It's criminal that Perez started 3 or 4 games up front for us when Kel was kicking his heels on the bench.

[StriderHiryu]

25 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

But in what role, that fits within how we play? And as an alternative to who? 

 

 

Good question.

 

When we signed Praet, he had just come off an outstanding season for Sampdoria where Marco Giampaolo used him in a 4312 system, which is basically a diamond:

 

 

 

So if we wanted to get the best out of him, we could try that sort of system here. We have played like this a few times, such as against Aston Villa when we beat them 4-1 away, when Praet played:

 

 

Is this the system we want to become our go to system? Now we have Bertrand, Daka and Soumare, we have more options to play that way if we wanted to, and Rodgers did use the system at Liverpool. But of course we should play a system to get the best out of all of our players, not just one, especially one that has been mediocre overall since he signed for us. 

 

But I think most people on here would far rather sell Perez over Praet, which suggests he has something about him.

 

 

 

 

[Finnegan]

6 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

Good question.

 

When we signed Praet, he had just come off an outstanding season for Sampdoria where Marco Giampaolo used him in a 4312 system, which is basically a diamond:

 

 

 

So if we wanted to get the best out of him, we could try that sort of system here. We have played like this a few times, such as against Aston Villa when we beat them 4-1 away, when Praet played:

 

 

Is this the system we want to become our go to system? Now we have Bertrand, Daka and Soumare, we have more options to play that way if we wanted to, and Rodgers did use the system at Liverpool. But of course we should play a system to get the best out of all of our players, not just one, especially one that has been mediocre overall since he signed for us. 

 

But I think most people on here would far rather sell Perez over Praet, which suggests he has something about him.

 

 

 

 

 

To be fair, the judgement of foxestalk is an absolutely abysmal yardstick of a player's ability. 

[StriderHiryu]

Just now, Finnegan said:

 

To be fair, the judgement of foxestalk is an absolutely abysmal yardstick of a player's ability. 

Agreed!

[foxinsocks]

Keep him and play him.

The game has changed with the increase in subs

[Finnegan]

2 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

Agreed!

 

End of the day, I'd absolutely keep him in the squad if he wanted to just be a squad player. He's decent cover but he doesn't want to be cover. He doesn't really improve our best 11, I'd personally argue that's true whatever formation we play. He's also fairly sub standard impact off the bench and is rarely going to come on and change a game. 

 

He'd be top of my list of players to sell, personally, given that he's one that there might actually be interest in. 

 

There's this fantasy on here that we can just sell off our garbage and keep some of our fringe players as squad options but ultimately nobody wants our trash and if you're "almost" good enough to start here you probably have aspirations to actually play. 

[Richardson]

2 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

End of the day, I'd absolutely keep him in the squad if he wanted to just be a squad player. He's decent cover but he doesn't want to be cover. He doesn't really improve our best 11, I'd personally argue that's true whatever formation we play. He's also fairly sub standard impact off the bench and is rarely going to come on and change a game. 

 

He'd be top of my list of players to sell, personally, given that he's one that there might actually be interest in. 

 

There's this fantasy on here that we can just sell off our garbage and keep some of our fringe players as squad options but ultimately nobody wants our trash and if you're "almost" good enough to start here you probably have aspirations to actually play. 

Agree sell and use the money on a right wide player, he is not a first 11 starter 

[StriderHiryu]

32 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Every manager has blind spots don't they. There's almost always a player or two that outsiders and fans seem absolutely bemused about constantly being selected. Rodgers has been quite lucky in having his forced into playing certain players and then they've come good. It annoys me when people give him credit for it when he's clearly exhausted every other possible angle. It's criminal that Perez started 3 or 4 games up front for us when Kel was kicking his heels on the bench.

Yep all managers have this problem, even Ferguson, Mourinho, Guardiola, etc. 

 

But Rodgers is a great manager and I am fully behind him. He deserves a lot of credit for finally going with Iheanacho, as does the player himself for turning it around. But Praet is a weird one because I thought that Rodgers himself was pivotal in getting us to sign him (he called him directly and sold him the club over Milan), but then hasn't really used him. 

 

I think Praet will just end up being another Iborra / Kramaric. Will go somewhere else and be a really good player, but won't do it for us. 

[An Away Move]

26 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

Yep all managers have this problem, even Ferguson, Mourinho, Guardiola, etc. 

 

But Rodgers is a great manager and I am fully behind him. He deserves a lot of credit for finally going with Iheanacho, as does the player himself for turning it around. But Praet is a weird one because I thought that Rodgers himself was pivotal in getting us to sign him (he called him directly and sold him the club over Milan), but then hasn't really used him. 

 

I think Praet will just end up being another Iborra / Kramaric. Will go somewhere else and be a really good player, but won't do it for us. 

Does anyone think Iheanacho’s purple patch might be as good as it gets for him? Though he was incredible during that run his first touch at Wembley and against Spurs was beyond criminal and I’m sure it’s been noted. Both he and Vardy need to play regularly to stay sharp. If Daka is doing well my worry is one of the other two will lose their effectiveness. 

[Steve Earle]

Just now, SydenhamFox said:

Does anyone think Iheanacho’s purple patch might be as good as it gets for him? Though he was incredible during that run his first touch at Wembley and against Spurs was beyond criminal and I’m sure it’s been noted. Both he and Vardy need to play regularly to stay sharp. If Daka is doing well my worry is one of the other two will lose their effectiveness. 

You might be right there

[StriderHiryu]

11 minutes ago, SydenhamFox said:

Does anyone think Iheanacho’s purple patch might be as good as it gets for him? Though he was incredible during that run his first touch at Wembley and against Spurs was beyond criminal and I’m sure it’s been noted. Both he and Vardy need to play regularly to stay sharp. If Daka is doing well my worry is one of the other two will lose their effectiveness. 

I think he will get even better! He always had the talent, but didn't have the confidence nor did we use a system to bring out the best in him. 

 

Daka probably gets picked over him if we play one top, but in a two, I think Kelechi gets picked to start, and in that system as we know he is lethal. 

[Lesta2014]

1 hour ago, StriderHiryu said:

Good question.

 

When we signed Praet, he had just come off an outstanding season for Sampdoria where Marco Giampaolo used him in a 4312 system, which is basically a diamond:

 

 

 

So if we wanted to get the best out of him, we could try that sort of system here. We have played like this a few times, such as against Aston Villa when we beat them 4-1 away, when Praet played:

 

 

Is this the system we want to become our go to system? Now we have Bertrand, Daka and Soumare, we have more options to play that way if we wanted to, and Rodgers did use the system at Liverpool. But of course we should play a system to get the best out of all of our players, not just one, especially one that has been mediocre overall since he signed for us. 

 

But I think most people on here would far rather sell Perez over Praet, which suggests he has something about him.

 

 

 

 

I like that system but leaves Barnes out who’s massive for us, can travel with the ball and get us up the pitch and relieve pressure plus his goals etc. He’s a starter 90% of the time for me.

[StriderHiryu]

12 minutes ago, Lesta2014 said:

I like that system but leaves Barnes out who’s massive for us, can travel with the ball and get us up the pitch and relieve pressure plus his goals etc. He’s a starter 90% of the time for me.

Totally agree, which is why we will see us use different systems throughout the campaign. We only switched to 3 at the back because Barnes got injured, meaning our wide play was non existent. But as it stands we don't have a great right winger, unless Perez or Ricardo play there. So we might see a different shape used for that reason alone.

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, StriderHiryu said:

Good question.

 

When we signed Praet, he had just come off an outstanding season for Sampdoria where Marco Giampaolo used him in a 4312 system, which is basically a diamond:

 

 

 

So if we wanted to get the best out of him, we could try that sort of system here. We have played like this a few times, such as against Aston Villa when we beat them 4-1 away, when Praet played:

 

 

Is this the system we want to become our go to system? Now we have Bertrand, Daka and Soumare, we have more options to play that way if we wanted to, and Rodgers did use the system at Liverpool. But of course we should play a system to get the best out of all of our players, not just one, especially one that has been mediocre overall since he signed for us. 

 

But I think most people on here would far rather sell Perez over Praet, which suggests he has something about him.

 

 

 

 

The problem with this system is Barnes might as well chin someone and get 200 hours community service to spend his weekends for the next year.

[Stadt]

I like him but he's one of the few players we could cash in on and it not be a big blow, he's a higher earner than most and he'll never be first choice.

 

With Soumare and KDH in the squad now he's got even more competition, I'd rather sell Mendy and Choudhury and keep Praet but I can't foresee that happening.

[Grebfromgrebland]

Praet is very sellable and we probably won't notice him gone as we now have Soumare and KDH.  

[Nick]

21 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Praet is very sellable and we probably won't notice him gone as we now have Soumare and KDH.  

 

I'd quite like to sell him just in the hope it prevents some individuals bleating on about him in every other thread.

 

"Poor Praet". "We'd have won the league if we'd have just used Praet". "Praet the Lord."

 

 

 

 

[Buce]

17 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

In fact, I would not be at all surprised if The Sun's research was coming on here and reading a few threads.

 

Nah.

 

Surely any journo that can read would set his sights higher than the Sun.

 

[Corky]

Agree with those who've said we played some of our best football when he was in the team early last season. He's a good player but Rodgers doesn't seem convinced and if he doesn't want to be a squad player (don't blame him) then we have to consider options.

 

I'd hope we clear a few more out before him, though.

[Hales]

Maybe he should hold on and see what happens in this window. Hopefully someone will take Perez and I think the Madders situation is an interesting one and of course Youri too.  I like Dennis and hope he stays and fights for his spot but I could totally understand at 27 he wants to be playing not sat on a bench. Best of luck to him in whatever he decides.

[John rayner]

8 hours ago, Stadt said:

I like him but he's one of the few players we could cash in on and it not be a big blow, he's a higher earner than most and he'll never be first choice.

 

With Soumare and KDH in the squad now he's got even more competition, I'd rather sell Mendy and Choudhury and keep Praet but I can't foresee that happening.

Totally agree with you ,I canr see Hamza getting much game time if any ,

[Deeg67]

2 hours ago, Hales said:

Maybe he should hold on and see what happens in this window. Hopefully someone will take Perez and I think the Madders situation is an interesting one and of course Youri too.  I like Dennis and hope he stays and fights for his spot but I could totally understand at 27 he wants to be playing not sat on a bench. Best of luck to him in whatever he decides.

He's too old to waste another window on a wing and a prayer.  And based on the end of the season, he has to be thinking that who gets moved out is irrelevant, Rodgers simply isn't going to use him.

[Lcfcrory]

1 hour ago, Deeg67 said:

He's too old to waste another window on a wing and a prayer.  And based on the end of the season, he has to be thinking that who gets moved out is irrelevant, Rodgers simply isn't going to use him.

Tbf I hear Everton have a 31 year old midfielder that’s being put on the wing next season 👀

[Claridge]

21 hours ago, Saxondale said:

The point is we’ll never know.

Well we do, Rodgers is the manager paid millions of pounds to pick the best team and doesn’t pick him

[coolhandfox]

15 hours ago, Corky said:

Agree with those who've said we played some of our best football when he was in the team early last season. He's a good player but Rodgers doesn't seem convinced and if he doesn't want to be a squad player (don't blame him) then we have to consider options.

 

I'd hope we clear a few more out before him, though.

I think a lot will depend on KDH developmemt, if he can keep improving, maybe the club management see a opportunity to move Peart on with a free replacement in the bank.