Popular Post StriderHiryu Posted 20 July 2021 Popular Post Posted 20 July 2021 38 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Still can't get my head around how he didn't get used during that final part of the season, especially given how much Maddison, Perez and a few others were struggling for form. Praet for me is similar to Nacho in that I feel if he was given an extended run in the side, he would take his chance. But will he get that chance? Probably not. Why Perez has been given such long stays of execution in the team over Praet I don't know. Perez, a bit like Gray when he was here has been given plenty of chances to show what he can do, and has not done much. Perez does press very well and work hard for the team, that is indisputable, but it's not like Praet waltzes around the pitch, and for me is the far more creative player. The only thing I can think of is that Rodgers wanted him to play in a diamond, as that's where he played for Sampdoria. We have used the diamond a few times, but not as often as perhaps Rodgers thought me might do. If Praet was given 6-8 games consistently in the team and still didn't pull up any trees, then OK I get why it might be time to go. But I think he's only been given a maximum of 5 games in a row, when coincidentally, he looked quite good. That's why I feel the anti-Perez sentiment is valid, because he's been given so many chances by comparison. Ben Chilwell, Harvey Barnes, James Justin, Caglar Soyuncu, Wesley Fofana, Kelechi Iheanacho were all given a run in the side, and when they got given the run they improved dramatically. Even Luke Thomas and maybe even Nampalys Mendy you could argue did a similar thing. Vardy and Mahrez even! Adrien Silva in fact I think had more of a run in the first team than Praet, at the end of Puel's first season when our other midfielders were injured and it was down to him and Choudhry, with the latter impressing more than Adrien. So if Praet wants out, you can't really hold it against him. But I think it would be criminal not to give him a chance. Worst case scenario just say he is in the first team for European and Cup games, as that team is starting to look quite scary on it's own! 14
Popular Post Deeg67 Posted 20 July 2021 Popular Post Posted 20 July 2021 3 hours ago, FoxinNotts said: Keep and use him That would mean a new manager. Love Praet, and paradoxically that's why I want to see him sold. He deserves better and an unhappy player of his stature doesn't do us any good either. 6 1
MPH Posted 20 July 2021 Posted 20 July 2021 I think some people can’t see past our nailed on starters best 11. Praet is a good player. He’s not a worldie but what are people expecting? That we have someone the calibre of Tielemans happy to sit on the bench for 50% of the season? he’s what you want in cup games, to cover injuries and to come off the bench to replace some tired legs. he’s a terrific squad player. 2
sacreblueits442 Posted 20 July 2021 Posted 20 July 2021 1 hour ago, North Leeds Fox said: I would always play maddison over praet (when fit and in good form), just praet is a great understudy and would allow us to see out games and be a bit more defensive when needed. Despite all that, if the choice was keeping praet or getting a rw, I would get a right winger every day of the week. ...Praet has played with Tielemans, when Maddison was out and looked very good!!! When we play with two #8s we are a very good team and as we know Praet has a tendency to go ahead of the forwards and is adept at getting behind the defences backline. We seem to have to be playing a certain style to accommodate him, and resting Youri, did not appear to be something Rodgers ever contemplated. 3
HybridFox Posted 20 July 2021 Posted 20 July 2021 I do like him but reminds me a bit of the Iborra situation. Where we had a solid player but just couldn't guarantee the gametime. I agree Maddison and Perez have been suspect on a number of occasions where Praet could have come in. But I think Brendan will always have them ahead in the pecking order so don't really blame him tbh.
Deeg67 Posted 20 July 2021 Posted 20 July 2021 50 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...Praet has played with Tielemans, when Maddison was out and looked very good!!! When we play with two #8s we are a very good team and as we know Praet has a tendency to go ahead of the forwards and is adept at getting behind the defences backline. We seem to have to be playing a certain style to accommodate him, and resting Youri, did not appear to be something Rodgers ever contemplated. A mezzalla is antithetical to BR’s preferred style and that’s never going to change. Praet just isn’t a player that suits him, and the sooner everyone admits that and moves on the better it will be for all parties.
deep blue Posted 20 July 2021 Posted 20 July 2021 2 hours ago, Ric Flair said: Still can't get my head around how he didn't get used during that final part of the season, especially given how much Maddison, Perez and a few others were struggling for form. I am equally baffled. I think his unwillingness to involve Praet in those last few games could have made the difference in our attempt to make top 4. 2 1
Jazzy_Jeff Posted 21 July 2021 Posted 21 July 2021 I like Praet. Feel he’s underrated possibly because he’s good in several positions instead of world class in one. I would personally keep him however if letting him go enabled us to bring in quality right winger (and there was no one else to shift) I’d do it. In an ideal world we’ll sell Choudhury and Perez for £25-30m, keep Dennis and sign the elusive right winger 2
Blanchflower78 Posted 21 July 2021 Posted 21 July 2021 10 hours ago, Alex_LCFC said: Proven praet but you would rather a unproven KDH Nope, would sooner have a developing hungry KDH than a unhappy Praet... 1
TommyK Posted 21 July 2021 Posted 21 July 2021 I'm not sure I can compare Preat to anyone in the squad. He's not a Youri, he's not a Perez, he's not a Madison. He's not a deep lying midfielder, he's not a defensive mid, he's not particularly attacking. I wonder whether Soumare will take his pace as a player to transition the ball.
coolhandfox Posted 21 July 2021 Posted 21 July 2021 I think he injury just came at a bad time, for him and us. Until his injury in the 24 games we played he feature in 21, starting 14. 2
lcfc sheff Posted 21 July 2021 Posted 21 July 2021 It’s simple, bring KDH back and sell praet. Everyone is a winner.
RowlattsFox Posted 21 July 2021 Posted 21 July 2021 I don't think Praet is important enough to demand starting but he definitely should've been used more towards the end of the season off the bench. I'm perfectly happy to keep him around, i think he's a solid unspectacular player who will do a job if needed but understand he probably wants more than that. Can't see us getting a fee to match what we paid, and don't see a benefit of loaning him unless its got an obligation to buy involved.
FoxinNotts Posted 21 July 2021 Posted 21 July 2021 9 hours ago, MPH said: I think some people can’t see past our nailed on starters best 11. Praet is a good player. He’s not a worldie but what are people expecting? That we have someone the calibre of Tielemans happy to sit on the bench for 50% of the season? he’s what you want in cup games, to cover injuries and to come off the bench to replace some tired legs. he’s a terrific squad player. Completely agree. Keep him, use him (more frequently) in both Tielemans role and Maddison’s role
Saxondale Posted 21 July 2021 Posted 21 July 2021 I honestly think he’s too good to be sat on our bench. I realise some people are of the view that he hasn’t been spectacular when he has played, but players do really need an extended run in the team before they can realise their full potential - especially a creative midfield player like Praet. 1
Sharpe's Fox Posted 21 July 2021 Posted 21 July 2021 he should be playing on the right if we go back to 4-3-3. If he does nothing then Albrighton can come on. Don't talk to me about that bum Perez.
Claridge Posted 21 July 2021 Posted 21 July 2021 7 minutes ago, Saxondale said: I honestly think he’s too good to be sat on our bench. I realise some people are of the view that he hasn’t been spectacular when he has played, but players do really need an extended run in the team before they can realise their full potential - especially a creative midfield player like Praet. I honestly don't think he is good enough to get in our first team, with everyone fit
los dedos Posted 21 July 2021 Posted 21 July 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, deep blue said: I am equally baffled. I think his unwillingness to involve Praet in those last few games could have made the difference in our attempt to make top 4. Can't help but think he had a falling out with BR .As even if he's not the right sort of player for Rodgers i would've thought he would've been used more . Edited 21 July 2021 by los dedos
Saxondale Posted 21 July 2021 Posted 21 July 2021 15 minutes ago, Claridge said: I honestly don't think he is good enough to get in our first team, with everyone fit The point is we’ll never know.
NewquayFox Posted 21 July 2021 Posted 21 July 2021 I think Praet is a great player for 2 reasons.. 1) He like Tielemans is more than capable of providing a killer pass, always looks to go forward an chips in with goals and assists… 2) He looks like Albrighton so it confuses the opposition…
Popular Post Finnegan Posted 21 July 2021 Popular Post Posted 21 July 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, StriderHiryu said: Praet for me is similar to Nacho in that I feel if he was given an extended run in the side, he would take his chance But in what role, that fits within how we play? And as an alternative to who? He's got no standout characteristics really other than his work rate and fitness, he reminds me of a central midfield Albrighton. Even has the same odd cult status on here from more or less the same people. He's not going to beat a man dribbling or through sheer pace, he's not going to cut a team apart with great passing and vision, he doesn't have that Andy King quality of drifting in late to finish. And that's not just here because he's had limited chances, it's his whole career. @Ric Flair was one of the first to point out, when we were first linked to him, his goal contributions for a supposedly "attacking" midfielder have been dire through most of his career. He's too attack minded to be any kind of alternative for Youri, he spends all of his time making vertical runs looking to be played in behind instead of offering himself for a pass. He's not got Maddison's control and agility in close spaces nor his eye for a through ball. He's not got the goal threat that Iheanacho, Maddison or even Perez have playing around the 10 spot. He could probably have done the narrow RW role that Perez played in our 433 but Perez got 8 goals and 4 assists doing that in 19/20 which is more goal contributions than Praet managed in a hundred Serie A games. He's not looked productive anywhere outside of Belgium. By contrast, Nacho burst on to the scene at Man City immediately displaying that he could be a lethal finisher in this division. It was evident as soon as he arrived here that he struggled for confidence and was taking a long time to find his feet. That's exactly the profile of a player that needs a run to bed in and to have the managers faith. Praet doesn't look like he lacks confidence at all, if anything he seems extremely sure of himself enough to be actively seeking first team football. Edited 21 July 2021 by Finnegan 9
Ric Flair Posted 21 July 2021 Posted 21 July 2021 9 minutes ago, Finnegan said: But in what role, that fits within how we play? And as an alternative to who? He's got no standout characteristics really other than his work rate and fitness, he reminds me of a central midfield Albrighton. Even has the same odd cult status on here from more or less the same people. He's not going to beat a man dribbling or through sheer pace, he's not going to cut a team apart with great passing and vision, he doesn't have that Andy King quality of drifting in late to finish. And that's not just here because he's had limited chances, it's his whole career. @Ric Flair was one of the first to point out, when we were first linked to him, his goal contributions for a supposedly "attacking" midfielder have been dire through most of his career. He's too attack minded to be any kind of alternative for Youri, he spends all of his time making vertical runs looking to be played in behind instead of offering himself for a pass. He's not got Maddison's control and agility in close spaces nor his eye for a through ball. He's not got the goal threat that Iheanacho, Maddison or even Perez have playing around the 10 spot. He could probably have done the narrow RW role that Perez played in our 433 but Perez got 8 goals and 4 assists doing that in 19/20 which is more goal contributions than Praet managed in a hundred Serie A games. He's not looked productive anywhere outside of Belgium. By contrast, Nacho burst on to the scene at Man City immediately displaying that he could be a lethal finisher in this division. It was evident as soon as he arrived here that he struggled for confidence and was taking a long time to find his feet. That's exactly the profile of a player that needs a run to bed in and to have the managers faith. Praet doesn't look like he lacks confidence at all, if anything he seems extremely sure of himself enough to be actively seeking first team football. You've just posted what I'd have posted about him if I was being brutally honest. That's the crux of it, spot on. 2
RowlattsFox Posted 21 July 2021 Posted 21 July 2021 28 minutes ago, Finnegan said: But in what role, that fits within how we play? And as an alternative to who? He's got no standout characteristics really other than his work rate and fitness, he reminds me of a central midfield Albrighton. Even has the same odd cult status on here from more or less the same people. He's not going to beat a man dribbling or through sheer pace, he's not going to cut a team apart with great passing and vision, he doesn't have that Andy King quality of drifting in late to finish. And that's not just here because he's had limited chances, it's his whole career. @Ric Flair was one of the first to point out, when we were first linked to him, his goal contributions for a supposedly "attacking" midfielder have been dire through most of his career. He's too attack minded to be any kind of alternative for Youri, he spends all of his time making vertical runs looking to be played in behind instead of offering himself for a pass. He's not got Maddison's control and agility in close spaces nor his eye for a through ball. He's not got the goal threat that Iheanacho, Maddison or even Perez have playing around the 10 spot. He could probably have done the narrow RW role that Perez played in our 433 but Perez got 8 goals and 4 assists doing that in 19/20 which is more goal contributions than Praet managed in a hundred Serie A games. He's not looked productive anywhere outside of Belgium. By contrast, Nacho burst on to the scene at Man City immediately displaying that he could be a lethal finisher in this division. It was evident as soon as he arrived here that he struggled for confidence and was taking a long time to find his feet. That's exactly the profile of a player that needs a run to bed in and to have the managers faith. Praet doesn't look like he lacks confidence at all, if anything he seems extremely sure of himself enough to be actively seeking first team football. I agree with that. The bold is Praet's strength and the difference between him and our other options and there are certain games where that is crucial but he's not a number 10. I think he's a 433 man, similar to someone like Wijnaldum who provides energy in the midfield but not necessarily creative.
sacreblueits442 Posted 21 July 2021 Posted 21 July 2021 18 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said: I agree with that. The bold is Praet's strength and the difference between him and our other options and there are certain games where that is crucial but he's not a number 10. I think he's a 433 man, similar to someone like Wijnaldum who provides energy in the midfield but not necessarily creative. ....he is very much an #8, and could cover Youri's position!!! Played in a 4-3-3 with Ndidi and Soumare our in a diamond alongside Tielemans
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