Ademola Lookman

[Aleksz]

1 minute ago, Babylon said:

He needs to be both. 

More than capable of being so, to be fair. 

[FoxesWalk]

4 minutes ago, UHDrive said:

Only 1 right wing.  

🥱 

 

We have 3 options for that position, in Perez, Albrighton and Ricardo. 
 

But I get it, Perez is a waste of space etc. etc.

 

Its almost like the club and manager rate Perez more highly than a vocal chunk of the fan base... 

[lgfualol]

Just sign him up. Sign anyone up. Just sign someone. PAAANIC

[FoxesWalk]

2 minutes ago, sdb said:

In fairness, we need another LW in the squad anyway, so even if it's not the priority position, it's addressing a very clear need in the squad. 

Bingo. 

[escape2victory]

2 minutes ago, Aleksz said:

The amount of you that think he’d be coming in as “Barnes back up” is baffling

Well if Barnes is injured who plays then ?!

[drumbeat]

1 minute ago, Pliskin said:

The more I look into him the more hopeful I get. I think if we can get the potential out of him that was promised in his youth, he could end up being a player and a half. 

I like that, it's reassuring. 

 

I must admit, I've probably only seem him play a few times - and he's looked decent tbf - so I based my comments largely on what his managers have said about him. And I obviously read here for further comment and opinion. Obviously, I tend to lend weight to the opinions of some posters more than others, and yours (kind sir!) fall into the former category

 

So I've become optomistic this could be a good signing.

[Vardinio'sCat]

5 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Relax everyone this is cover for the left wing. He can also play anywhere across the front line. He might not have the skill or tricks as ünder, gray or ghezzal but maybe he has the right attitude to succeed?

 

Who am I trying to kid? This is just a massive punt like ünder and ghezzal. 

 

Neither of whom had played in the Prem. It's still a punt, but I would say it isn't as massive as our two last efforts.

[Ric Flair]

19 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Since when did right footed player just become left wingers. I’m sure he’s more than capable of playing on the right.

Inverted wingers have become one of the most successful changes in modern football. Cutting in on to your stronger foot and all that. In fact it's now the norm and wingers who play on the same side as their favoured foot is the minority now I think.

 

Everton certainly played him a fair bit at RW and they often thought he was poor. Time will tell.

[Ric Flair]

15 minutes ago, UHDrive said:

Should've kept Sowah but I'm assuming he might not have met the clubs attitude policy in the end so they cashed in on him. Got to give him a chance and there were glimpses of him at Fulham when he destroyed full backs. Here's to hoping he's like Under, shit in one league and great in the next. 

Sowah's attitude was first rate, Brendan said so. We simply got offered a fee with add on's and clauses that was too good for the club to turn down, it's a shame as we badly need a left footed right winger.

[Jimbo]

37 minutes ago, Koke said:

Lookman is not the answer to our RW problems. Nothing I've seen of him suggests he is a top 6 level player. 

I get what you're saying, and I know this gets brought up a lot

 

But....

 

Would you have said the same about Robertson and Maguire when they were both at Hull?

Kante when he was playing in France?

The old argument of Jamie Vardy?

Even Lingard in recent years?

 

He's a young lad who still has massive potential and hasn't found anywhere to settle in the last couple of years.

 

Siging "proven" top 6 players doesn't always work out. Tiago at Liverpool hasn't exactly set the league on fire. I know it's very early days but Sancho looks a bit lost at United and needs to find his feet quickly.

 

He's not the answer to our right wing problems, but as I've previously said, do we actually need a right winger with the way we play?

 

Our attacks down the right come from our full back, whether that be Ricky P or Castange. We need someone who tucks in and takes the opposing fullback with them, which Perez does (it's another argument on whether or not he does it effectively enough or not)

 

When we attack down the right, we often switch to a back 3. The left back hangs back, Barnes goes wide left and the right full back becomes our "right winger"

If Lookman comes to play on the right of a front 3, I can see him tucking in with Maddison just behind Vardy. Lookman is smart in tight spaces. 

 

I know he's not the flair player we want and/or expected but in the same respect that you don't think he's a top 6 level players there is also no evidence at all that Madueke or Nerves, for example, would have improved us with our current setup and tactics. 

 

We've scored 4 goals in 3 games, 3 of those have come from the right hand side, 2 created by our full back and the other scored by our "right winger" is there really a problem with our right hand side? 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

29 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Lookman

Big chances created 9

Goals 4

Assist 4

Passes Forward 234

Crosses 134

Pass Completion 81%

Crosses 134

Throughballs 6
Interceptions 20
Tackles 35

Perez

Big chances created 0

Goals 2

Assist 1

Passes Forward 128

Pass Completion 78%

Crosses 21

Throughballs 2

Interceptions 10

Tackles 32

 

And that was playing for a relegated team.
 

 

 

 

Jesus I knew Perez was bad but putting his stats up against litteraly anyone puts in properly into frame. 

 

More than happy with a straight swap in if that's the plan.

[filbertway]

9 hours ago, st albans fox said:

I trust the manager to know what he needs to play the systems he wants to play more than the masses on FT …..

The same manager that wanted Perez 

 

Rodgers has many qualities, an objectively great eye for talent is not one of them in my opinion

 

[Vardinio'sCat]

I'm happier with this today, there are no worries on quite a few aspects we would be stressing about with other options, like language, PL experience etc.

 

Obviously we would all have loved a flashy Brazilian, but the Wesley disaster probably ended that.

[desertfox2]

28 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Since when did right footed player just become left wingers. I’m sure he’s more than capable of playing on the right.

Exactly Perez and Albrighton are both right footed so why can't he be cover for Barnes on the left and pushing for a start on the right? If we don't bring in cover for the left and something happens to Barnes again we are really in trouble. 

Edited 31 August 2021 by desertfox2
Barnes

[volpeazzurro]

2 hours ago, Nick said:

So this Lookman possible transfer thread is now an essay submission thread for a bit of Brendan hate because Under and Praet aren’t good enough and we have injuries and he wants coachable players that can listen understand and play his systems?

I think that's a little unfair,  I don't think it was meant as hate for Rodgers at all, it raised some salient points for discussion, some of which you may disagree with. 

However, when is comes to wanting coachable players that can listen, understand and play his systems, what exactly are they? Do we recognise those systems and if we do, are they viable one's or tired one's from the past that struggle to work anymore?

 

Sometimes a manager, whether due to injury or not, has to get a performance out of his squad of players by playing the best system on the day to fit that group of players available to him and not try to slavishly follow a system or philosophy just because he prefers it.

 

A previous example here would be Paulo Sousa who attempted to play Barcelona style tippy tappy champagne and oyster football with beer and chips players. It could never work and didn't. 

 

Whatever Rodger's stats, he's got an incredibly talented squad of players to choose from compared to previous managers so you should rightly expect some decent results. I genuinely admire greatly a lot of what he does but at times his intransigence or stubbornness is incredible. If you consider the players mentioned in the original post for example, are you convinced that none of them mentioned couldn't be more productive than Perez or is the manager merely persisting with him because he's his 30m choice? Were any of those players remotely given the opportunity for the run of games that Perez has been? Do we consider that Rodgers has weaved his magic now with Perez and that he's become a success? Perez is just one player of course but our dramatic fall from grace at the end of last season was not merely down to injuries or players not being coachable, the manager too made some very bizarre round pegs square holes team selections himself and ballsed things up completely at times. It's not the players fault all the time and no manager is beyond criticism. To criticise isn't necessarily to hate.

Edited 31 August 2021 by volpeazzurro

[UHDrive]

7 minutes ago, FoxesWalk said:

🥱

 

We have 3 options for that position, in Perez, Albrighton and Ricardo. 
 

But I get it, Perez is a waste of space etc. etc.

 

Its almost like the club and manager rate Perez more highly than a vocal chunk of the fan base... 

Haha! I meant an out and out first team RW. I rate Albrighton as well as anybody and RP (if we have a full compliment of wingers) would be better as a full back or wing back.

[weller54]

8 minutes ago, FoxesWalk said:

🥱

 

We have 3 options for that position, in Perez, Albrighton and Ricardo. 
 

But I get it, Perez is a waste of space etc. etc.

 

Its almost like the club and manager rate Perez more highly than a vocal chunk of the fan base... 

.... I'm still waiting to see exactly why he's rated by BR and the club.

[Aleksz]

9 minutes ago, escape2victory said:

Well if Barnes is injured who plays then ?!

Probably 2 up front like the second half of last season. 

[Vardinio'sCat]

5 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Inverted wingers have become one of the most successful changes in modern football. Cutting in on to your stronger foot and all that. In fact it's now the norm and wingers who play on the same side as their favoured foot is the minority now I think.

 

Everton certainly played him a fair bit at RW and they often thought he was poor. Time will tell.

 

So we have gone from class left wingers being rare and expensive, to class right wingers being the same. Which is part of the reason this has been such a saga, even though it is rarely mentioned.

 

Plus ca change, or something.

[simon789us]

Loan with option to buy just on sky

[weller54]

5 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Jesus I knew Perez was bad but putting his stats up against litteraly anyone puts in properly into frame. 

 

More than happy with a straight swap in if that's the plan.

I'd swap Perez for a set of saucepans.

[dbtcity]

 1 year loan with an Option to buy according to skysports news

[UHDrive]

4 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Sowah's attitude was first rate, Brendan said so. We simply got offered a fee with add on's and clauses that was too good for the club to turn down, it's a shame as we badly need a left footed right winger.

In that case why didn't we keep him? For a kid that's only played development squad games then for him to sell for £7-9mill means he must have what it takes. Re attitude I'm going off of FT as well as him swapping agents and becoming a little over arrogant about a new deal.

[st albans fox]

6 minutes ago, Jimbo said:

I get what you're saying, and I know this gets brought up a lot

 

But....

 

Would you have said the same about Robertson and Maguire when they were both at Hull?

Kante when he was playing in France?

The old argument of Jamie Vardy?

Even Lingard in recent years?

 

He's a young lad who still has massive potential and hasn't found anywhere to settle in the last couple of years.

 

Siging "proven" top 6 players doesn't always work out. Tiago at Liverpool hasn't exactly set the league on fire. I know it's very early days but Sancho looks a bit lost at United and needs to find his feet quickly.

 

He's not the answer to our right wing problems, but as I've previously said, do we actually need a right winger with the way we play?

 

Our attacks down the right come from our full back, whether that be Ricky P or Castange. We need someone who tucks in and takes the opposing fullback with them, which Perez does (it's another argument on whether or not he does it effectively enough or not)

 

When we attack down the right, we often switch to a back 3. The left back hangs back, Barnes goes wide left and the right full back becomes our "right winger"

If Lookman comes to play on the right of a front 3, I can see him tucking in with Maddison just behind Vardy. Lookman is smart in tight spaces. 

 

I know he's not the flair player we want and/or expected but in the same respect that you don't think he's a top 6 level players there is also no evidence at all that Madueke or Nerves, for example, would have improved us with our current setup and tactics. 

 

We've scored 4 goals in 3 games, 3 of those have come from the right hand side, 2 created by our full back and the other scored by our "right winger" is there really a problem with our right hand side? 

Way too technical for many on here mate ….

 

the mere fact that Perez isn’t a winger hasn’t occurred to most of them ….

[happy85]

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