Rodgers sends warning to unhappy players

[gerblod]

7 hours ago, Bptiger said:

Well as a supporter I have a message for Rodgers , I am not happy Jan , u have or allowed a team who missed a top four two years in a row , to become fractured to the point of no return ,  u were too up ur self , u ran the players into ground , and for some reason u have alienated certain players , which I am sure has caused all sorts of problems with in the team . I think it’s time u left 

It's as if Rodgers views the players as clients of the club rather than integral representatives of the team hired to compete for the various trophies on offer.

 

Perhaps I'm misjudging how far the players/agents' relationships with clubs has changed the dynamic of football, but Rodgers seems to be firmly based on Planet Brendan, population 1.

What brings a club to the position where a manager states that he's intrinsically involved in choosing who the club hires, and then feels it necessary to state that players who don't want to be at City can leave - as if they're presented to him as a surprise?

 There are players who are on a bumper bundle of a contract who couldn't give a toss what they're doing as long as the cash keeps coming in. Bertrand, the magically disappearing left-back is the prime example of this nonsense. Contracts should be heavily weighted to the advantage of the of the employer, but the Vestergaard/Bertrand disaster appears to have been heavily advantaged to every participant BUT the club. The naïveté of those who pushed for this deal is staggering. Whoever they were, they should be leaving the club.

Whoever has been responsible for giving out fat contracts to middling players should go - it creates divisions within the squad when players like Thomas, KDH and other 'home-grown' lads see these exorbitantly paid men not doing their utmost to play for the club.

Something is wrong within City and It's manifesting, all too obviously, on the pitch. The King departed all too suddenly in 2018 and it appears that no-one has has replaced him in all of those areas critical to directing a football business.

 

[Aus Fox]

2 minutes ago, Beachyboy said:

How do we even back him tho? If we say we don't trust your transfer decisions, we will sign some players for you, he probably won't play them, an if he approves the signings there is a good chance they will be crap.

You back home and his transfer decisions as the manager of the team. If you don’t trust he can adequately sign players, which is a key part of his job, you sack him.

Whoever the manager is, this squad ain’t good enough and needs an overhaul and has done for over a year. 
You either back a manger to do this, or sack him and find another manger you trust to do it. There cannot be any in between.

[Beachyboy]

2 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

You back home and his transfer decisions as the manager of the team. If you don’t trust he can adequately sign players, which is a key part of his job, you sack him.

Whoever the manager is, this squad ain’t good enough and needs an overhaul and has done for over a year. 
You either back a manger to do this, or sack him and find another manger you trust to do it. There cannot be any in between.

The in between would be letting all the players go who are out of contract, signing new players on lower salaries, an then at least if they don't work out they are easier to offload and we have room to manoeuvre with the salaries. 

[Ric Flair]

11 minutes ago, Beachyboy said:

How do we even back him tho? If we say we don't trust your transfer decisions, we will sign some players for you, he probably won't play them, an if he approves the signings there is a good chance they will be crap.

There's got to be an agreement on the players and Rodgers makes out the the discussions on transfer targets are positive, therefore if we get such players in for him there should be no excuses.

[Matt]

Despite people saying he’s not lost the dressing room or the players are still playing for him, it’s quite concerning how many players don’t actually want to be here and/or are no where near starting and/or have been frozen out ultimately leading to divisions within and an unhappy camp - why is that?

 

Edited 6 January 2023 by Matt

[filbertway]

Unfortunately the squad is packed with players that we either didn't want to sell or other clubs either didn't want or couldn't afford.

 

An elite DOF worth their salt wouldn't have let us get into this position

[lcfc_forever]

10 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Unfortunately the squad is packed with players that we either didn't want to sell or other clubs either didn't want or couldn't afford.

 

An elite DOF worth their salt wouldn't have let us get into this position

Yeah, Rudkin should be getting more criticism. The whole structure and strategy is off.

 

Seeing the players we've been linked with, hopefully looks like we're going back to our original ethos. 

Edited 6 January 2023 by lcfc_forever

[Ric Flair]

Rodgers talks about having a small squad, but he doesn't mean in numbers - even he can't be that stupid when we are one of only 6 PL clubs to name a full 25 man maximum squad, he means in those he trusts and wants. This is the issue, he only likes about 16 of this squad and talks about many going but then a good chunk of the others we've seemingly offered new contracts to, have we all had our tea laced with LCD or is this club off their fcukin boncer? 

[StanSP]

19 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Rodgers talks about having a small squad, but he doesn't mean in numbers - even he can't be that stupid when we are one of only 6 PL clubs to name a full 25 man maximum squad, he means in those he trusts and wants. This is the issue, he only likes about 16 of this squad and talks about many going but then a good chunk of the others we've seemingly offered new contracts to, have we all had our tea laced with LCD or is this club off their fcukin boncer? 

He probably also means with lots of injuries - for whatever reasons - the squad and players to choose from is smaller. 

[los dedos]

1 hour ago, Matt said:

Despite people saying he’s not lost the dressing room or the players are still playing for him, it’s quite concerning how many players don’t actually want to be here and/or are no where near starting and/or have been frozen out ultimately leading to divisions within and an unhappy camp - why is that?

 

Said it in another thread, looks like the club has lost the dressing room instead ! 

[Long Eaton Fox]

Quite simply the players that are out of contact either are not playing or want a champions league team.

[RoboFox]

1 hour ago, filbertway said:

Unfortunately the squad is packed with players that we either didn't want to sell or other clubs either didn't want or couldn't afford.

 

An elite DOF worth their salt wouldn't have let us get into this position

Exactly this. 

 

The wage structure has gotten completely out of hand. 

 

The players are already on exorbitant amounts of money and we can't shift them because they won't take a pay cut to go elsewhere, and they obviously won't take a pay cut when offered a new contract. 

 

Rodgers gets flack, and rightly so - perhaps even the board criticism is justified to some extent... But if his role is what it is believed to be, then Rudkin has had a massive contribution to the shitshow at the club currently. 

[AjcW]

16 minutes ago, los dedos said:

Said it in another thread, looks like the club has lost the dressing room instead ! 

I could draw an interesting comparrison to a company I used to work for.

They moved us into this insane big fancy office, all mod cons, everything you could ask for.

Was nice for a few weeks and then you just remember it papers over the cracks that they pay you less than other places will and that, ultimately, it's still in the middle of ****ing loughborough  

 

The club have invested in an incredible asset, and look set to do so with the ground too. But have they actually checked whether that was really what their employees wanted. Similarly they've spent a fortune on this facility but seemingly loaded it with the same staff.... so the facilities have gone up a notch but those implementing the strategies within it haven't.

Edited 6 January 2023 by AjcW

[Nalis]

1 hour ago, Matt said:

Despite people saying he’s not lost the dressing room or the players are still playing for him, it’s quite concerning how many players don’t actually want to be here and/or are no where near starting and/or have been frozen out ultimately leading to divisions within and an unhappy camp - why is that?

 

Footballers are egotistical beings. If they see a player who they think is worse than them but paid for, they get grumpy. Thanks to our generous contracts over the years this is no doubt happening at Seagrave.

[dannythefox]

Be in trouble if they all left we’d have about 6 players 😂

[taupe]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

This is the issue, he only likes about 16 of this squad

So by maths/definition, 9 are not in 'his' squad. That reads to me like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[Le Renard]

Is there a rupture at the Club?  Rodgers talks of getting rid of the unwanted players, but it seems they are his unwanted players.  Meanwhile the club is in negotiation with some of them, or so we've been led to believe.  You could look at this from the outside and go all in on a conspiracy theory, and make an assumption that it could be a battle of control for the heart and soul of the club.  That would be ludicrous to think along those lines, or would it?

[filbertway]

I thought it at the start of the season and nothing has changed my mind. It feels like we've tried to force Rodgers to resign and Rodgers has tried to force us to sack him. Neither side seems willing to back down and take the financial hit.

[baldeagle]

Is it really all Rodgers fault he doesn’t agree contracts wages etc or what the players want found this interesting 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/premier-league/arsenal-left-shocked-by-wage-demands-as-premier-league-target-misses-transfer-opportunity/ar-AA160odF?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=c73b7b9c21024eecc8b823869b8d635d

[Sol thewall Bamba]

2 hours ago, filbertway said:

Unfortunately the squad is packed with players that we either didn't want to sell or other clubs either didn't want or couldn't afford.

 

An elite DOF worth their salt wouldn't have let us get into this position

The club has drastically outgrown Rudkin. Should have gone years back. 

[Matt]

1 hour ago, Long Eaton Fox said:

Quite simply the players that are out of contact either are not playing or want a champions league team.

Yet they've:

• Failed to make CL when it was on a plate, downing tools come the turn of the year, twice in a row.
• Under performed last year.
• Treated Europa League with contempt.
• Treated Europa Conference League with contempt
• In a relegation battle this season.

Doesn't sound like an elite manager or players who deserve playing at a higher level.

 

Tielemans for example, there is a reason why nobody of a higher level took a gamble on him, there's a reason why nobody wanted him cheap last summer and there's a reason why there's not a list of clubs taking much interest in him.

[BKLFox]

All very predictable comments aimed at him despite the amount of times i've read comments from the same posters questioning why we are allowing players contracts to run down & losing for nothing, if they don't want to be here then they should get gone & why are we paying them to much.....but because he says it he's out of order, FT in a thread as per.

[KingsX]

13 hours ago, Foxxed said:

Mad comment then. Let's let the players force transfers out and give clubs an easy way to grab our players. Cool. Cool.

 

Can you imagine a City manager coming out with this damaging shit when Khun VIchai was in charge?  Me neither.

 

Make that managerial search priority one Mrs Whelan.  And meanwhile, there's a janitorial closet that can hold the current one's office.

[KingsX]

6 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

I'm just extremely nervous that Rodgers attitude and public messaging back in the summer had to have contributed to the crisis we suffered and the worst start to a PL season on record and we're 3 defeats on the spin once again and the reaction from him on certain topics is starting again, we could quite easily be facing relegation if he worsens this implosion once again.

 

I can see why he's doing it and understand what he's saying to a degree but his priority right now has to be to get everything out of his players in the short term. Brown nose them, motivate them, inspire them, whatever. We are in a world of shit right now, although the media don't see it that way, like they didn't see our top 4 status under threat 2 seasons on the spin. This side, the manager included, has proven it has absolutely no bottle and will self sabotage when the pressure mounts. 

 

And the board are very much the same if they let this pass ... and surely Rodgers is testing them.

 

This bomblet has put the Club’s business entirely out in public at a point when we’re at our weakest position in many years.  No club will negotiate seriously with a club that has now hung a “Fire Sale” sign next to the door.  And flung that door open to show all and sundry that the place is indeed on fire.

 

He’s also cut his remaining bonds and authority with his senior players, a few of whom happen to be keeping us up.  A move as desperate as it is self-centered on his part.

[LCFCJohn]

The point about running down contracts becoming the norm and players/agents pocketing the money is an interesting one.

 

I mean this as purely a general point, not specific to any clubs or players and not to be seen as ‘wishing injury upon anyone’ but maybe what is needed is some high profile cases of where a player has refused to sign a new contract does pick up an injury towards the end of the contract and find themselves in a position where the current club won’t resign them when they come crawling back and they can’t pick up a new club for a bit. Might at least help with the player power issues. Reality is they know they can half arse it and move on for big money…