Seagrave

[StanSP]

8 hours ago, Sly said:

 

While that's good from a financial viewpoint, the bigger concern is the final sentence. 

 

Maybe try to regain the atmosphere. Seagrave itself doesn't automatically make players/staff disconnected. It's the people within. You can have the biggest or smallest building in the world, but it's still the people at all levels that make it worthwhile in any sense. 

 

The club has lost the atmosphere because there were too many people employed in the wrong positions, or for too long (or both) and because there's a general air of complacency and feeling too comfortable. It's great to have such an 'elite' facility, but it's about making people feel valued beyond their paycheck which matters. Several clubs around the world have world-class facilities and as far as I know, they don't have this 'isolation' or 'silo' problem. 

 

The staff at the top, above the manager of the club, have caused this 'loss of atmosphere'. Time to perhaps revisit some basics and look for staff and players that have something to prove, have that fire and hunger in them to actually perform for the club. Okay they may not get it right 100% of the time (no-one is perfect), but if we can start to see some cohesion and camaraderie, support and desire to help each other, no cliques or petty groups alienating others, an actual collective group, an actual fvcking team on and off the pitch, then we'll get somewhere and regain the atmosphere that has been lost. 

 

It starts from the top. 

[st albans fox]

8 hours ago, Sly said:

 

Ansty nomads 

[Ashley]

Women are moving in but that's probably about it. 

 

 

[Ric Flair]

1 minute ago, Ashley said:

Women are moving in but that's probably about it. 

 

 

Probably let European teams or international teams as well. 

[foxile5]

5 minutes ago, StanSP said:

While that's good from a financial viewpoint, the bigger concern is the final sentence. 

 

Maybe try to regain the atmosphere. Seagrave itself doesn't automatically make players/staff disconnected. It's the people within. You can have the biggest or smallest building in the world, but it's still the people at all levels that make it worthwhile in any sense. 

 

The club has lost the atmosphere because there were too many people employed in the wrong positions, or for too long (or both) and because there's a general air of complacency and feeling too comfortable. It's great to have such an 'elite' facility, but it's about making people feel valued beyond their paycheck which matters. Several clubs around the world have world-class facilities and as far as I know, they don't have this 'isolation' or 'silo' problem. 

 

The staff at the top, above the manager of the club, have caused this 'loss of atmosphere'. Time to perhaps revisit some basics and look for staff and players that have something to prove, have that fire and hunger in them to actually perform for the club. Okay they may not get it right 100% of the time (no-one is perfect), but if we can start to see some cohesion and camaraderie, support and desire to help each other, no cliques or petty groups alienating others, an actual collective group, an actual fvcking team on and off the pitch, then we'll get somewhere and regain the atmosphere that has been lost. 

 

It starts from the top. 

You're absolutely correct. Evans calling the club 'it' and not 'we' isn't generated because of the size of the training ground. It's a culturally issue that speaks to a wider malaise.

 

The players were allowed to become bigger than themselves and the club. The anecdote about the dinner plates sums it up. 

 

Remember - many of these players DID train at Belvoir drive. The fifth placed finishes might well have contributed more to them seeing themselves as superstars than a nice training ground.

[Ashley]

3 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Probably let European teams or international teams as well. 

Probably. 

[moore_94]

Probably let other teams use before away games like we did with Swansea who trained their the day before their match away against Norwich

[Bilo]

13 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Probably let European teams or international teams as well. 

I suspect international teams playing England would fancy it. Private, not too far from London, outstanding facilities. Probably teams playing in Europe too.

[Kopfkino]

I wonder where this narrative of blaming the training ground comes from - Belvoir Drive wasn’t a very happy place to be in 2007, Man City don’t seem hampered by their facility. It’s up to the top management to develop and harness a culture and a set of standards. It’s what Pearson did and most of what followed seems to have stemmed from that persisting with the individuals involved. As that faded, nobody stepped up to keep it going and that happened to coincide with the training ground move.

[Bilo]

14 minutes ago, Kopfkino said:

I wonder where this narrative of blaming the training ground comes from - Belvoir Drive wasn’t a very happy place to be in 2007, Man City don’t seem hampered by their facility. It’s up to the top management to develop and harness a culture and a set of standards. It’s what Pearson did and most of what followed seems to have stemmed from that persisting with the individuals involved. As that faded, nobody stepped up to keep it going and that happened to coincide with the training ground move.

It's absolutely not the facility. This is like buying a Rolls-Royce Cullinan, employing Stevie Wonder as the chauffeur and then blaming the car when he crashes it. 

 

Seagrave could be transformative in the right hands. The facilities are world-class; a decent sports science team would have wet dreams over it, good scouts and youth coaches could turn it into an absolute talent factory, a progressive manager could work miracles and appreciative players would relish going to work and turning themselves into the best versions of themselves.

Edited 30 May 2023 by Bilo

[FOXSE]

52 minutes ago, Ashley said:

Women are moving in but that's probably about it. 

 

 

Leicester women are going to start getting ACL injuries and being out for '9 months'

[Bilo]

4 minutes ago, FOXSE said:

Leicester women are going to start getting ACL injuries and being out for '9 months'

Is JT staying then? 

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

Probably let European teams or international teams as well. 

Seagrave being flogged to LIV Tour 

[hebangsthedrums]

5 hours ago, Bilo said:

It's absolutely not the facility. This is like buying a Rolls-Royce Cullinan, employing Stevie Wonder as the chauffeur and then blaming the car when he crashes it. 

 

Seagrave could be transformative in the right hands. The facilities are world-class; a decent sports science team would have wet dreams over it, good scouts and youth coaches could turn it into an absolute talent factory, a progressive manager could work miracles and appreciative players would relish going to work and turning themselves into the best versions of themselves.

Perfect comparison, I'm sure there are a few logistical issues but the biggest ones would have been emanating from the as it turns out, adjoining, offices of Rudders & Brendan

[Cropwellfox]

5 hours ago, moore_94 said:

Probably let other teams use before away games like we did with Swansea who trained their the day before their match away against Norwich

That’s happened a few times over last few months. Heard an academy coach say they’ve been getting plenty of enquiries for teams to train en route to away games. Think one of play off teams was there recently 

[lcfc_forever]

6 hours ago, StanSP said:

While that's good from a financial viewpoint, the bigger concern is the final sentence. 

 

Maybe try to regain the atmosphere. Seagrave itself doesn't automatically make players/staff disconnected. It's the people within. You can have the biggest or smallest building in the world, but it's still the people at all levels that make it worthwhile in any sense. 

 

The club has lost the atmosphere because there were too many people employed in the wrong positions, or for too long (or both) and because there's a general air of complacency and feeling too comfortable. It's great to have such an 'elite' facility, but it's about making people feel valued beyond their paycheck which matters. Several clubs around the world have world-class facilities and as far as I know, they don't have this 'isolation' or 'silo' problem. 

 

The staff at the top, above the manager of the club, have caused this 'loss of atmosphere'. Time to perhaps revisit some basics and look for staff and players that have something to prove, have that fire and hunger in them to actually perform for the club. Okay they may not get it right 100% of the time (no-one is perfect), but if we can start to see some cohesion and camaraderie, support and desire to help each other, no cliques or petty groups alienating others, an actual collective group, an actual fvcking team on and off the pitch, then we'll get somewhere and regain the atmosphere that has been lost. 

 

It starts from the top. 

Brilliant post. 

 

Fed up of seeing Seagrave being criticised, and Top being criticised for prioritising it as well. 

 

It was his father's ambition, and longer-term it will pay dividends for us. It will help us attract younger talent, and players who've joined us have commented on what a brilliant complex is. If we're going to challenge the elite more sustainably, this kind of infrastructure is essential. 

 

It's the people running the place that aren't making the most of it, blaming it as a factor in our problems is scapegoating. 

Edited 30 May 2023 by lcfc_forever

[Rigga]

We tried to build a club…

But forgot to build a team..

[BenTheFox]

The move has been disastrous thus far. The only reason I'd stop to turn off the A46 is for the Willoughby hotel and have a go go-karting.

[Bilo]

3 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

The move has been disastrous thus far. The only reason I'd stop to turn off the A46 is for the Willoughby hotel and have a go go-karting.

Easeh!

[Chelmofox]

16 minutes ago, lcfc_forever said:

Brilliant post. 

 

Fed up of seeing Seagrave being criticised, and Top being criticised for prioritising it as well. 

 

It was his father's ambition, and longer-term it will pay dividends for us. It will help us attract younger talent, and players who've joined us have commented on what a brilliant complex is. If we're going to challenge the elite more sustainably, this kind of infrastructure is essential. 

 

It's the people running the place that aren't making the most of it, blaming it as a factor in our problems is scapegoating. 

These things can take time to get right, and its often very hard to notice what the issues are straight away. I've been involved in 2 big office moves and in both cases so much of thinking goes into the controllable logistics, infrastructure and meeting deadlines.  No matter how hard you try, you can't force a culture as the good things from old premises happened organically over time, not overnight, and can't be copy/pasted to the new premises.  Things like players not mixing or not cleaning after themselves might sound obvious, but when all thought goes into facilities, pitches, training schedules etc, at the planning stage things like how people mix might not have been obvious. 

 

I totally agree that Seagrave will come good, but like all big infrastructure projects it will take a bit of time to get right and to find its own identity. This reset might be the best thing that can happen to it, as the club will likely be forced to make better use of it and new personnel won't have the 'old days' to cling on to. 

[Guesty]

When it comes to Seagrave one of Marvellous Marvin Hagler's quotes come to mind: It's tough to get out of bed to do roadwork at 5am when you're sleeping in silk pyjamas.

 

He was one of the greatest boxers ever. But having it too cushy effects the mentality of anyone. At least it sounds like this is being brought up as an issue.

Edited 30 May 2023 by Guesty

[SecretPro]

May aswell give it Forest now.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

****ing hell if Seagrave is a problem because it’s too nice, just erect some ****ing portacabins and make get changed in there and get them to shit in a porterloo. Also get the dustbins back for the ice-baths. 

[Tuna]

15 hours ago, Sly said:

 

Pipes on twitter suggested Notts County.

Edited 30 May 2023 by Tuna

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, hebangsthedrums said:

Perfect comparison, I'm sure there are a few logistical issues but the biggest ones would have been emanating from the as it turns out, adjoining, offices of Rudders & Brendan

...i would suspect they were both working from the "keep your friends close and your enemies even closer still" mantra!!!