An Sionnach Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 Assume you all think Nelson is not good enough then, even for the Championship. The grass is not greener as we have found out so many, many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliskin Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 6 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Don't see how we get him. We haven't got the money to buy him out right and his contract is up in the summer so a loan only happens if he signs a new deal. Before any of you say we'll have money when Castagne, Soumare, Daka etc go. Say it out loud and see if it sounds silly and unlikely. Focus has to be on a right winger and then maybe a CB if Souttar and/or Vestergaard go. What’s happened to the money generated from Barnes and Maddison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbtcity Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 1 minute ago, st albans fox said: Agree But moyes may feel that it’s a gamble for him to go straight into PL football (remember Man City are trying to sign paqueta) Surely they’d be trying to get some1 like Laporte in a deal or 1 of their other 25 established cbs … I do find it weird that Burnley haven’t been in the mix for him opting to go for Dara O’Shea instead (could’ve been a cheaper option) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FosseSpark Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 if we are selling Soumare, Daka, Souttar, Kristiansen and Castagne (cumulative value has to be £50-60m) and have already shifted 12 players for £85m and £30m wages) we HAVE to have the power to be able to sign someone like a Harwood Bellis. Only issue might be that the board could say 'you've got coady back in September, so it's either a centre half or a striker' and in that case Enzo would choose a striker you'd have thought . harwood - bellis is a solid player who did great for Burnley last year, but I think we should keep hold of Souttar on the bench as adequate back up until Coady is back and concentrate on attacking options in the August window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 What's the fee for a permanent transfer for him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernpark Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 2 minutes ago, StanSP said: What's the fee for a permanent transfer for him? I’d say between 10-15 million. Based on what they normally sell their decent u23s for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVFox Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 6 minutes ago, westernpark said: Not necessarily in a back three. No, and I suppose that raises the question of do we play a back 3 or a back 4. Which we could all argue an analyse for days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_lcfc Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 Should have spent the Coady money on him if he is available. ...and no, not because Coady is injured or not a decent player. It's just the sort of player profile we should be looking to invest in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernpark Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 Just now, LVFox said: No, and I suppose that raises the question of do we play a back 3 or a back 4. Which we could all argue an analyse for days Yes fundamentally whatever we play we know that the centre back/quarter back that Enzo likes to play is exposed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbtcity Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, FosseSpark said: if we are selling Soumare, Daka, Souttar, Kristiansen and Castagne (cumulative value has to be £50-60m) and have already shifted 12 players for £85m and £30m wages) we HAVE to have the power to be able to sign someone like a Harwood Bellis. Only issue might be that the board could say 'you've got coady back in September, so it's either a centre half or a striker' and in that case Enzo would choose a striker you'd have thought . harwood - bellis is a solid player who did great for Burnley last year, but I think we should keep hold of Souttar on the bench as adequate back up until Coady is back and concentrate on attacking options in the August window. I think it all falls down with the IF… we’re not renowned for being the best in shifting dead wood… I mean we probably would’ve dipped into the transfer market last summer IF we’d sold Vestergaard, Soumare, Praet etc etc i guess it comes down to squad size again as at the minute we’ve got 27 first team players on the books with 4 of them being under 21 along with 4 keepers… we need players out the door asap Edited 16 August 2023 by dbtcity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretPro Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 Get it done. We should have lots of money left from Barnes/Maddison, so where is it? Rudkin and Top spent it on a new horse or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanefox Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 Just now, SecretPro said: Get it done. We should have lots of money left from Barnes/Maddison, so where is it? Rudkin and Top spent it on a new horse or something? Also got the Fofana money as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stopharage Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 My concern is that he’s not the speediest. It’s not like we have any CBs that are particularly nippy which was almost our undoing against Huddersfield. I know you could use Justin as a de facto CB to help deal with this but our defence does seem a bit slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbtcity Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 (edited) Edit. Was meant to be on the previous post Edited 16 August 2023 by dbtcity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 11 minutes ago, Pliskin said: What’s happened to the money generated from Barnes and Maddison? I suspect unless we start selling some additional players, it'll be used to fund a very bloated squad and plug the huge losses from relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 7 minutes ago, FosseSpark said: if we are selling Soumare, Daka, Souttar, Kristiansen and Castagne (cumulative value has to be £50-60m) and have already shifted 12 players for £85m and £30m wages) we HAVE to have the power to be able to sign someone like a Harwood Bellis. Only issue might be that the board could say 'you've got coady back in September, so it's either a centre half or a striker' and in that case Enzo would choose a striker you'd have thought . harwood - bellis is a solid player who did great for Burnley last year, but I think we should keep hold of Souttar on the bench as adequate back up until Coady is back and concentrate on attacking options in the August window. Ffp soumare - 12m o/s daka - 15m o/s krirtiansen - pretty much all o/s castagne - 8m o/s souttar - as per VK selling all those players would not bring in anything like the amount of spend you think selling players we just bought is of no benefit unless we make a profit on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st Century Fox Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 I'm not sure Southampton have the liquidity that everyone thinks. They spent close to £100m last season with only Romeu moving the other way for a fairly nominal fee. Also Lavia and Livramento will have fairly hefty sell-on clauses. It'll all boil down to how badly their owners want to gamble on promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfox Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 He ticks the boxes for all those three teams, especially us & Southampton. Like Casadei, Maresca’s influence could get this one over the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 2 minutes ago, 21st Century Fox said: I'm not sure Southampton have the liquidity that everyone thinks. They spent close to £100m last season with only Romeu moving the other way for a fairly nominal fee. Also Lavia and Livramento will have fairly hefty sell-on clauses. It'll all boil down to how badly their owners want to gamble on promotion. They also sold JWP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFS Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 Imagine the ‘it’s not just fair’ Cov fan and Neil ‘they’ve got two squads capable of promotion’ Warnock if we get this lad Mads Ricardo THB Coady Doyle Winks Casadei KDH Rak-Sakyi Mavididi Iheanacho That genuinely is HMS PTL 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudulike Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 12 minutes ago, James_lcfc said: Should have spent the Coady money on him if he is available. ...and no, not because Coady is injured or not a decent player. It's just the sort of player profile we should be looking to invest in. Coady was signed not just for being a good Championship centre back but also for leadership. It's been recognised that we have no leaders since Kasper left. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 11 minutes ago, James_lcfc said: Should have spent the Coady money on him if he is available. ...and no, not because Coady is injured or not a decent player. It's just the sort of player profile we should be looking to invest in. Player profile is exactly the reason we went for Coady. Enzo has empathised leadership and experience in almost every interview he's done, he clearly values it and Coady ticked that box. There has to be a balance. A back 4 of Doyle, Coady, THB, Ricardo provides that. Young, older, young, older. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmo86 Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 15 minutes ago, James_lcfc said: Should have spent the Coady money on him if he is available. ...and no, not because Coady is injured or not a decent player. It's just the sort of player profile we should be looking to invest in. No chance, we needed leaders in this squad and he's just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st Century Fox Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: They also sold JWP I mean they also sold Salisu as well but it doesn't get around the fact they spent £100m last season. Much like us, I doubt all these sales will be going straight into their war chest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliskin Posted 16 August 2023 Share Posted 16 August 2023 10 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: I suspect unless we start selling some additional players, it'll be used to fund a very bloated squad and plug the huge losses from relegation. True, you can’t have players like Timmy Chestnuts sat on the bench earning silly money. I think we will a couple of those players out, but we have to get deals in place for the players we want along side this, otherwise we run the risk of thinning the squad and not replenishing. One of the many reasons Rudkin has to be sacked……. And the board need a reality check, you’d think relegation would wake them up, but seemingly it appears it hasn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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