Penalty squabble

[OntarioFox]

3 hours ago, leatherhead32 said:

blimey did not remember that v watford, was at newcastle  when he leveled it and was a true magic moment and wearnt it great 7 day later its me etc ha, 2bh i wasnt thinking bout a record when we beat watford so nice to read that only1 good knowlage and last night was funny as fk. we were rumoured to be in for cole palmer on loan for a year ffs what a great kid he is.

Yeah can't believe the ego on the lad to do that at such an iconic moment, had to be all about him, game's gone. 

[filbertway]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

Embarrassing for Poch above all else. 

 

Imagine either not having a designated taker (which doesn't look like it's the case) or having so little authority that your players think they can fight over who gets to take it. 

 

SAF would be throwing shoes at them and sending them off to train with the u7s for the rest of the season until they grew the **** up. 

 

Pep would have them ****ing transfer listed

 

Must be something about the club - remember when Sarri was gaffer and Kepa refused to come off

 

[jayfox26]

Chelsea have had issues like this for a while. Kepa in the cup final etc. They have a squad full of unlikeable, overpaid, over rated bell ends who are only interested in their own ambitions and couldn't give 2 hoots about the club they play for.  Some clubs do seem to do their homework when scouting players and find out about their personalities etc as well as how good they are at football but certain clubs like Chelsea and Man U just seem to sign players regardless of their personalities and how they would fit in the dressing room etc. 

 

I've always said ability only gets you so far, you have to have the right attitude to succeed at the top level consistently and this includes helping create a good team ethic with your team mates. 

 

Our title winning team was the perfect example of great team ethic and Ipswich have also shown that this season.

 

 

[kushiro]

Some on this thread are comparing the poor team spirit at Chelsea to the lack of harmony at Leicester at the moment. 

 

Well, here's a story for you. In November 1998, West Brom were drawing 2-2 at home to Crystal Palace, with both goals scored by Lee Hughes. Albion then got a penalty when an 18 year old from Italy, just on as sub, was fouled. Hughes had a chance to put them 3-2 ahead and complete his hat-trick, but the Italian youngster, as the match report said, 'had the audacity to demand the ball off Hughes'.

 

Hughes was having none of it, and he scored to seal the points for Albion. 'He had no chance of taking it', Hughes said. 'The gaffer told me it was my job'.

 

That 18 year old had yet to start a first team game for Albion, but was clearly eager to make an impression. They had recently signed him from Cagliari in Serie A. His name - Enzo Maresca.

 

 

Edited 17 April by kushiro

[ozleicester]

55 minutes ago, kushiro said:

Some on this thread are comparing the poor team spirit at Chelsea to the lack of harmony at Leicester at the moment. 

 

Well, here's a story for you. In November 1998, West Brom were drawing 2-2 at home to Crystal Palace, with both goals scored by Lee Hughes. Albion then got a penalty when an 18 year old from Italy, just on as sub, was fouled. Hughes had a chance to put them 3-2 ahead and complete his hat-trick, but the Italian youngster, as the match report said, 'had the audacity to demand the ball off Hughes'.

 

Hughes was having none of it, and he scored to seal the points for Albion. 'He had no chance of taking it', Hughes said. 'The gaffer told me it was my job'.

 

That 18 year old had yet to start a first team game for Albion, but was clearly eager to make an impression. They had recently signed him from Cagliari in Serie A. His name - Enzo Maresca.

 

 

Good decision by Hughes.......Maresca wouldve passed it.

[Sunbury Fox]

16 hours ago, OnlyOneCity said:

I used to like Darren Fletcher as he always mentioned the East Midlands teams. Now I can’t stand him. HE NEVER SHUTS UP! He’s constantly talking to the irritating co commentator woman who’s on with him.

He's a massive F*rest fan. Say no more. 

[kushiro]

12 minutes ago, ozleicester said:

Good decision by Hughes.......Maresca wouldve passed it.

Here's a surprise though. It seems the young Enzo hadn't quite mastered the passing arts when he was a teenager. 

 

A while after that Palace game, Brian Little had taken over at Albion, and he wasn't impressed by Enzo's attitude. After losing at Tranmere, the headline in the paper was 'Fed-up Little blasts Enzo'.  He said:

 

'We had really simple situaitons where a little passing and a little thought could have given us a goal.  Enzo especially has had great possession. Each week, people tell me he's a great player, but he has a lot to learn. We got into some very good positions where a simple pass or a lifting of the head might have got us something'.

[cambridgefox]

Deli Alli was right when he said it’s ok wanting to take it when you’re 4-0( I think) up,but they weren’t fighting to take it in injury time against Man Utd when the pressure was on.

 

Although I haven’t researched whether they were playing 

[The boy Linacre]

59 minutes ago, cambridgefox said:

Deli Alli was right when he said it’s ok wanting to take it when you’re 4-0( I think) up,but they weren’t fighting to take it in injury time against Man Utd when the pressure was on.

 

Although I haven’t researched whether they were playing 

Poch, if he's got the alternative I wouldn't start either them in the semi, they've just told you the team NEVER comes first only me.

So when its a 2 on 1, neither of them are going to pass to the man in the better position.

We're all given jobs either because that's what we're good at or our managers think we are most appropriate, I wouldn't argue about wanting to put the fire out if I was driving the fire engine...??

Jackson is a poor striker and Madueke is a bench warmer, oh and they are obviously the biggest kids imaginable, what must Palmer, Gusto & Gallagher have been thinking & the bod language when the peno was being taken and the celebrations afterwards were so frosty & the aggro was still going on.

[sm1]

19 hours ago, cruzFOX said:

The ship has sailed on ‘Americanisms’ and cultural overflow - it started back in the 80’s.

when you move like myself to the US and start to absorb the culture here you do tend to miss what makes ‘Britishness’ so unique and want to play that up to stay authentic.

Very true and it's gone beyond sport. My particular bugbear is the word trash. It's used everywhere now.

[leatherhead32]

hope manc chelsea cup semi goes to pens 

[OnlyOneCity]

1 hour ago, sm1 said:

Very true and it's gone beyond sport. My particular bugbear is the word trash. It's used everywhere now.

I hate the description of a player as being the “Quarterback”. Particularly used by Martin Keown. On a different note, when did a good cross become a “delicious” cross?

[RumbleFox]

Is it just me that thinks the whole thing was meaningless and is being over analysed? Can’t be arsed. 

[CheeseHead]

2 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

Is it just me that thinks the whole thing was meaningless and is being over analysed? Can’t be arsed. 

Yeah it's just you! I don't believe it's meaningless, I think it is very indicative of the way football is today. Young top-level professional footballers these days are just arrogant, self-obsessed, shallow over-paid prima donnas

[SouthStandUpperTier]

3 hours ago, sm1 said:

Very true and it's gone beyond sport. My particular bugbear is the word trash. It's used everywhere now.

If it's any consolation, I think you are one of the most winningest posters on the FoxesTalk roster.

 

 

Edited 17 April by SouthStandUpperTier

[RumbleFox]

5 minutes ago, CheeseHead said:

Yeah it's just you! I don't believe it's meaningless, I think it is very indicative of the way football is today. Young top-level professional footballers these days are just arrogant, self-obsessed, shallow over-paid prima donnas

I think that’s a generalisation. SOME certainly are. But I think it was always thus. Just less social media. I mean, if I were a millionaire footballer at 18 I’d be an absolute cvnt. 

[The_77]

On 16/04/2024 at 04:48, foxile5 said:

I've plenty to say about this current Chelsea team and not a great deal of it is positive but my major bug bear - this 'Cold Palmer and 'shivering' celebration.

 

Firstly : it's the footballing equivalent of trampling American dog eggs across our carpet, if you'll excuse the metaphor. This 'ice in his veins' nonsense is a direct import from the US sports traditions, particularly basketball. We should be ashamed that the players and fans are pandering to their sports heritage the way they are. We have our own traditions, our own heritage. We should be proud of our own national game and not looking to import the nomenclature of another nations - particularly one so crass. And, as I've pointed out numerous times in the past, it's the death by a thousand cuts effect it has. The language of the sports has been slowly Americanised. It's only a short jump to the game becoming Americanised. It DOES happen and we should resist.

 

Secondly : the idea of personalised celebration is totally narcissitic. The ego of the sportsperson has accelerated out of control in recent times. They contribute nothing to the world and take so much. If you took away Doctors, binmen, sewerage works and so on then society would be negatively effected. If you took away sports people then there are other outlets of entertainment. They are a drain. We feed this black hole of self-obsession when we start lionising stupid little personal celebrations. He ought to be booed on principle. He thinks that he's important, that he has a foothold in the running of society and he matters on a large scale when the opposite is the truth. Don't feed that. 

 

Anyway. That's my two peeneth.

 

21 hours ago, bovril said:

True but it's really accelerated in recent years. When you watch football content from say the early 1990s, even with the advent of the Premier League, British football speak had its own very recognisable register and style. Nowadays football content, especially social media content, is so obviously much more influenced by the US it's pretty cringeworthy. And the idea that a pass in an association football game would be likened by a British commentator to an NFL player would be laughable even like 10-15 years ago. 

 

To be honest I don't think is confined to Britain, unfortunately. 

Things change. The is no sport, hell there’s not even a city anywhere in the world these days where the register and style have stayed the same from the 1990s. Have you ever considered that you’re just getting older?

And have you ever watched any football from South America or Africa? Or other parts of Europe? Blaming all of this on some American bogeyman is doing nothing but highlighting your own provincialism.  

Edited 17 April by The_77

[CheeseHead]

16 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

I think that’s a generalisation. SOME certainly are. But I think it was always thus. Just less social media. I mean, if I were a millionaire footballer at 18 I’d be an absolute cvnt. 

But isn't that the point? There WEREN'T any millionaire footballers at 18 in the past. Or even whatever the equivalent of a million pounds was then.

[foxile5]

55 minutes ago, The_77 said:

 

Things change. The is no sport, hell there’s not even a city anywhere in the world these days where the register and style have stayed the same from the 1990s. Have you ever considered that you’re just getting older?

And have you ever watched any football from South America or Africa? Or other parts of Europe? Blaming all of this on some American bogeyman is doing nothing but highlighting your own provincialism.  

Yes. And I'm aware that things change. That does not mean to say that changes shouldn't be resisted.

 

The impact of Americanisation of British sports would be significant to say the least. The American franchise model is not predicated on passage of clubs through a pyramid; it is a closed shop franchise model. That would strike at the very core of what the British game holds dear - the (albeit Romantic) notion that a club from rise from the bottom to the very top. It's what made OUR story so precious and so special. The idea of transit through league systems is important to our game. Maybe not American sports but I'm not trying to impose a pyramid system on them.

 

Whilst the nomenclature of the sports ITSELF doesn't seem significant it is not surprising that this big shift in language/presentation of 'matchday experiences' (formerly football matches) is closely aligned to the 14+ clubs being overtaken by American owners. This too coincides with ever louder voices for a super-league. This is not by chance. The welcoming of American owners and Americanisms has resulted in a really pressing attempt to develop a super-league in franchise style. This has occurred and is still occurring. 

 

Just because you're American/live in America doesn't mean that I have to automatically genuflect and admit that, actually, everything is okay. It isn't. The process of letting the American voice into British football is a net loss for our footballing heritage and that's fine to say. It's bought about the super-league talk MUCH faster than it ever would have without American owners dominating the footballing landscape. And what is the super-league if not a franchise model in everything but name?

 

Just because it works in America and was invented in America doesn't mean that it needs porting over here and it isn't subversive to say that. I'm not comparing, nor am I interested in, the football of South America because that isn't the invasive attitude here. If you know your footballing history this game has a tradition in Britain that is older than America itself; we are a nation of tradition and some of them are worth preserving. Particularly sporting ones in my opinion.

 

I think using the term 'provincialism' as an insult is bordering on ironic given the US foreign policy over the last forever, but whatever. The British game has been compromised by the American presence and it's evidencable. I'm not wrong to point this out.

[RumbleFox]

57 minutes ago, CheeseHead said:

But isn't that the point? There WEREN'T any millionaire footballers at 18 in the past. Or even whatever the equivalent of a million pounds was then.

Yeah that’s exactly the point. The game not the individuals have gone mad. 

[The_77]

1 hour ago, foxile5 said:

Yes. And I'm aware that things change. That does not mean to say that changes shouldn't be resisted.

 

The impact of Americanisation of British sports would be significant to say the least. The American franchise model is not predicated on passage of clubs through a pyramid; it is a closed shop franchise model. That would strike at the very core of what the British game holds dear - the (albeit Romantic) notion that a club from rise from the bottom to the very top. It's what made OUR story so precious and so special. The idea of transit through league systems is important to our game. Maybe not American sports but I'm not trying to impose a pyramid system on them.

 

Whilst the nomenclature of the sports ITSELF doesn't seem significant it is not surprising that this big shift in language/presentation of 'matchday experiences' (formerly football matches) is closely aligned to the 14+ clubs being overtaken by American owners. This too coincides with ever louder voices for a super-league. This is not by chance. The welcoming of American owners and Americanisms has resulted in a really pressing attempt to develop a super-league in franchise style. This has occurred and is still occurring. 

 

Just because you're American/live in America doesn't mean that I have to automatically genuflect and admit that, actually, everything is okay. It isn't. The process of letting the American voice into British football is a net loss for our footballing heritage and that's fine to say. It's bought about the super-league talk MUCH faster than it ever would have without American owners dominating the footballing landscape. And what is the super-league if not a franchise model in everything but name?

 

Just because it works in America and was invented in America doesn't mean that it needs porting over here and it isn't subversive to say that. I'm not comparing, nor am I interested in, the football of South America because that isn't the invasive attitude here. If you know your footballing history this game has a tradition in Britain that is older than America itself; we are a nation of tradition and some of them are worth preserving. Particularly sporting ones in my opinion.

 

I think using the term 'provincialism' as an insult is bordering on ironic given the US foreign policy over the last forever, but whatever. The British game has been compromised by the American presence and it's evidencable. I'm not wrong to point this out.

That’s exactly what you’re highlighting, though. You’re completely unaware of how footballers behave in other countries, and English football league is comprised of players from all over the world but want to blame America for Cole Palmer’s celebration. 

I’m not defending all influence of American ownership in the game and I didn’t say a damn word about the Super League. 

That you would use a stupid little celebration by Cole Palmer as an excuse to go on your diatribes says a lot more about you than any American influence in the game. 

[justfoxes]

On 16/04/2024 at 08:51, OnlyOneCity said:

Watching the ridiculous squabbling between Chelsea players last night about who should take the penalty, reminded me of when Vards was on his goal a game run. We had a penalty against Watford, and Mahrez had the ball ready to take it. The crowd were obviously aware of the situation with Vardy and chanted his name. Mahrez handed the ball to him and I think that made number 9 in the list. Vardy duly scored and went straight to Riyad to thank him. Going back to the Chelsea debacle, Jackson also kicked off when they had a penalty against us in the cup, and delayed it by moaning at the ref. Not a good teamwork look.

Chelsea what a bunch of self righteous W⚓️’s it was so funny seeing them squabble like petulant children !😂

[Ecdysiast]

fletcher and archer in the same thread - too consistent for a leicester forum

 

[CrazyKopCorner]

I was thinking of the penalty down here against Everton when no one seemed to want to take and the guy that did totally and utterly bottled it 

[Adster]

On 16/04/2024 at 09:48, foxile5 said:

I've plenty to say about this current Chelsea team and not a great deal of it is positive but my major bug bear - this 'Cold Palmer and 'shivering' celebration.

 

Firstly : it's the footballing equivalent of trampling American dog eggs across our carpet, if you'll excuse the metaphor. This 'ice in his veins' nonsense is a direct import from the US sports traditions, particularly basketball. We should be ashamed that the players and fans are pandering to their sports heritage the way they are. We have our own traditions, our own heritage. We should be proud of our own national game and not looking to import the nomenclature of another nations - particularly one so crass. And, as I've pointed out numerous times in the past, it's the death by a thousand cuts effect it has. The language of the sports has been slowly Americanised. It's only a short jump to the game becoming Americanised. It DOES happen and we should resist.

 

Secondly : the idea of personalised celebration is totally narcissitic. The ego of the sportsperson has accelerated out of control in recent times. They contribute nothing to the world and take so much. If you took away Doctors, binmen, sewerage works and so on then society would be negatively effected. If you took away sports people then there are other outlets of entertainment. They are a drain. We feed this black hole of self-obsession when we start lionising stupid little personal celebrations. He ought to be booed on principle. He thinks that he's important, that he has a foothold in the running of society and he matters on a large scale when the opposite is the truth. Don't feed that. 

 

Anyway. That's my two peeneth.

All the problems with Chelsea as a club and a team on the pitch at the moment and THIS is your major bug bear? Christ.