Premier League has charged LCFC with an alleged breach of PSR

[Lewis's Junior]

3 minutes ago, Eskay said:

Most organisations would have spotted the marketing opportunity. They would have wanted a balance of commercial deals that were not KP related to de-risk the reliance on the deals that essentially help balance the books. 

When we won the league we would have tried to change the business and modernise. 

 

Unfortunately the staff we have (inclusive of Rudkin) have been in their post since we played at Filbert street. 

We aren't serious people. 

Although I’m sure the culture of mediocrity means we haven’t maximised our possible marketing reach or commercial income streams, even with the best deals you’re looking at a number in the low tens of millions as an increase in the bottom line. 
 

It pales in to insignificance to losing the prem tv deal money or spending £40m on an asset who walks for free. The football operations side needs the lions share of blame. 

[foxile5]

I don't know enough to make any informed comment but I do know enough to say that when it comes down to this type of shit - financial scrutiny impacting sporting equality - then the competition isn't about sporting endeavour but about accounting chicanery.

 

For a nation who have always prized sporting prowess and an underdog story we should be ****ing ashamed.

 

And it extends beyond our own troubles. Any football club looking to compete is now sent a message. Try to excel and you'll pay the price.

 

It's only a pyramid in name now.

[Pliskin]

It’s important to remember the PL don’t make the decision on points. They can push all they want, it’s not them who makes the final decision. So if we know we’ve breached, then we may as well go along with it and get snuggly with the independent panel and get a more lenient punishment. 

[The Year Of The Fox]

PSR is as much of an opponent off the pitch as the 11 blokes we’re playing against on the pitch. 

[TonyN11]

Yay! Great news 

[LFEFox23]

We’re in a bit of a pickle here ain’t we.

[Jattdogg]

This shit feckin confuses me. It's all a disaster from shit PSR rules to gross negligence on our leadership.

 

If we broke shit rules, we deserve to pay the price like any club should.

 

How rudkin and co are not sacked over this is beyond me.

 

Let's get some sensibility back and take it on the chin in the meanwhile.

 

What a sad feckin 3 seasons we have just had. Disgraceful and a shame we are even in this mess.

 

Stupid Fecks!

[UniFox21]

Tinted specs and all, but I really hate how we're now being almost additionally punished for fighting back? We proved they had no jurisdiction and the rules were wrong etc and now being hit at for doing so 

 

 

[ClaphamFox]

16 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Tinted specs and all, but I really hate how we're now being almost additionally punished for fighting back? We proved they had no jurisdiction and the rules were wrong etc and now being hit at for doing so 

 

 

He’s just mindlessly parroting the Athletic article, which hints that we will be punished for fighting back in the past but conveniently neglects to mention how this can happen given that we won those cases. Unfortunately we’ve entered the silly season that always follows a PSR charge in which the media speculates about potential points deductions without having a clue about what will actually happen. 

Edited 20 May 2025 by ClaphamFox

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

28 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

PSR is as much of an opponent off the pitch as the 11 blokes we’re playing against on the pitch. 

I’ve said for years that on Football Manager you should be able to sign lawyers with attributes like players: 

 

Persuasiveness 15

Build an argument 20

Communication skills 20

 

and so on…

 

[AyewJoking]

i know man city is facing different charges than us but why is their fate far from resolved why we are bracing ourselves for a points deduction next season?

[Vestan Pance]

59 minutes ago, blue army 1988 said:

Why can't we do what Chelsea did and sell the ground, training ground and women's team to King Power?

I'm not sure as to the ownership of the training ground, but KP already own the Stadium as far as I'm aware. 

[Terraloon]

2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Surely there is a £83m Upper Limit for the Period ending 2023-24? No?

 

I should also add that the Business Plan would be pertaining to hitting PSR not breaking even as such.

 

Lastly I'd also suggest that it can depend. E.g. the EFL have a Points Tariff, any overspend exceeding £15m is a 12 Point Deduction as a starting point. The PL seem less hardline with it. There is a sliding scale or was..

 

*£15m+ over Limits ie Limits + £15m + more=12 Points

£12.5m-£15m=9 Points

£10m-12.499m=8 Points

£8m-£9.99m=7 Points

£6m-7.999m=6 Points

£4m-5.999m=5 Points

£2m-3.999m=4 Points

£1-1.999m=3 Points

 

I now understand your point a little better. Yes breakeven but it also depends..Upper Limits are capped after an EFL Breach. So that £19m minus Add-backs and then the huge 2022-23 Loss is capped at £35m under EFL Rules.

Re three years to 23/24 there was quite a debate around allowance for T ( being 23/24)and in particular how it impacted on clubs gaining promotion . If my memory is correct the quirk within PL rules gave Leicester the £35 million as opposed to how it would be treated when 23/24 became T-1

 

When I say break even I mean in accord with PSR and all the allowances as opposed to accounting wise. The EFL will be looking at accounts that are in the public domain for 23/24 the draft numbers and projections for 24/25 and if you like cash flow projections for 25/26 . They, the EFL, will only look at facts and not ambition.

 

By that I mean parachute payments will be factored in as will commitments re player contracts etc but not say getting promoted etc

 

One thing I am far from sure about is will a PL panel be tied to EFL tariffs 

 

 

[Ric Flair]

Our club have seemingly operated this contradictory behaviour of trying to evade the PSR rules where possible but not doubling down on it with ambition to give ourselves the best possible chance of prospering if and when it caught up with us.

 

Its been alluded to in the press a number of times when explaining why we move the goalposts on January transfer business that we don't want to be seen to be disregarding the rules by spending money when under the spotlight, but at the same time don't submit our accounts that delays / disrupts the process of compliance with the same outfits.

 

We've potentially had an absolute howler here. How any viable strategy this season could have been based on trying to circumvent the rules this season (delaying submitting 23/24 accounts by 31 December) in the hope we didn't get a points deduction applied this season and risk it being applied next season when we have a stronger foothold in the Prem as teams in their 2nd season often do, is utterly ridiculous. That would have made sense with signings in January to attempt that, having just mere days earlier consigned the club to this dragging on in to 25/26 where we'll invariably be worse off.

 

I'm sick of the way this club is ran. I've minimal sympathy for us and whatever it takes for us to get the systematic change we need to free ourselves from this regime then I welcome it. What an absolute waste of an opportunity of a lifetime for this club.

 

I am beyond disgusted.

[CrispinLA in Texas]

I'm surprised there isn't any protests happening at king power stadium today...any other club there would be riots happening....it just shows how weak Midland clubs are 

[Ian Nacho]

Makes the terrible signings of last summer look even worse now. Only one player we'd command some sort of resale value. 

[ACF]

Imagine where we’d be without those £25 physical cards am I right?

[TeamRocket]

I honestly don't get it all. All I know about football finance is from FC/Fifa Games and FM games. You sell a players to buy players and to pay wages. So how the heck are we in so much dung. Just feels like we just sell players or let them go for free. Where is it all coming from?

[HitchinFox]

45 minutes ago, Ian Nacho said:

Makes the terrible signings of last summer look even worse now. Only one player we'd command some sort of resale value. 

The stadium announcer? 

[Ricey]

2 hours ago, UniFox21 said:

Tinted specs and all, but I really hate how we're now being almost additionally punished for fighting back? We proved they had no jurisdiction and the rules were wrong etc and now being hit at for doing so 

 

 

There is no additional punishment. We avoided a punishment for 22/23 because we claimed they had no jurisdiction, but the tribunal have confirmed that they do have jurisdiction for 23/24, which we also breached.

 

We’ve punished ourselves for fighting back, as that has now delayed things to such an extent that the deduction will be applied next season.

 

We can all get angry at the PL, EFL, independent panels, tribunals, Chelsea, Man City and whoever else, but this is the clubs mess…and an easily avoidable one at that.

[Wink84]

At this point i can only assume we're going for another record. Luton currently hold the record foster points deducted with 30. 

 

Heard a rumour Top is obsessed with Guinness World Records and has instructed all club employees to find ways to break records. Wanted or unwanted. They're all the same to him.

[Jon the Hat]

9 minutes ago, Ricey said:

There is no additional punishment. We avoided a punishment for 22/23 because we claimed they had no jurisdiction, but the tribunal have confirmed that they do have jurisdiction for 23/24, which we also breached.

 

We’ve punished ourselves for fighting back, as that has now delayed things to such an extent that the deduction will be applied next season.

 

We can all get angry at the PL, EFL, independent panels, tribunals, Chelsea, Man City and whoever else, but this is the clubs mess…and an easily avoidable one at that.

I suppose the obvious conclusion to us saying they had no jurisdiction to punish us after relegation was that they did after promotion.

[Grebfromgrebland]

Feels like we've had above average number of run ins with regulators over the last 30 years. 

 

 

[Sly]

1 hour ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Feels like we've had above average number of run ins with regulators over the last 30 years. 

 

 

I agree.

 

We’ve always pushed the rules. 
 

I don’t agree with the rules, however we know what they are. 
 

If we are in that much of a mess, surely we’d have been better keeping KDH, not signing Skipp, then shipping out some of the higher earners with little to no book value at the start of the season like Ricardo, Vestergaard, Vardy who we could have got money for after a good season in the Championship.

 

Why we signed Eduoard as well ….. FFS! 

We need to clean the slate.

 

You can see why we are signing the likes of Reid and Ayew on significantly less wages. 
 

It’s a disgusting mess. 

[Dr The Singh]

Top, should know better.

 

We are not like one of his companies, he can feck about and play with the rules.