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Little old Leicester? They could be more effective in the Champions League than England's 'elite'

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  • 20:00, 4 APR 2016

    • There is a framed picture in the corridor leading to the King Power Stadium press box, showing Leicester’s stocky left-back Alan Rogers tackling Ronaldinho ofBarcelona in a 2003 friendly.

      ‘Look,’ it seems to say, ‘the day little old Leicester played the mighty Barcelona! Oh and remember Rogers? He used to play for Tranmere and here is taking on the World Cup-winner who’d knocked out England the previous year’.

      The photo looks a little incongruous now, given that Leicester will be mathematically certain of Champions League qualification next weekend, should they defeat Sunderland and Manchester United fail to beat Tottenham.

      That in itself will be the most remarkable achievement of the Premier League era. Even though it will be largely overlooked, given that the title is within Leicester’s grasp.

      Yet still some of that ‘little old Leicester’ attitude remains. It’s mainly the pub bores and phone-in maniacs who are voicing the concern that the Foxes might embarrass English football in the Champions League.

       

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      2003: Leicester played Barcelona in a friendly 13 years ago

       

       

      But it’s also being muttered among journalists and ex-pros in press boxes too. The idea that Leicester will be the worst English champions in history.

      And that, even though the idea of the European Clubs Association wanting to rope off the Champions League is anathema, Claudio Ranieri’s men somehow won’t truly belong there. That they will perform dismally and damage England’s cherished coefficient ranking.

      No one wants to broadcast these sentiments because they don’t want to piddle upon the greatest story in footballing history.

      Privately, though, they sneer at the fact that Leicester have one of the lowest ball-possession percentages in the Premier League and the worst pass-completion rate too.

       

      Action Images via Reuters / Carl Recine
      Experienced: Claudio Ranieri has managed Champions League teams before

       

      The Foxes have been under-estimated all season and it looks as though they will be under-estimated right the way into the European Cup.

      Yet this Leicester side is more intelligent, streetwise, cynical and effective than any of the established Premier League elite.

      There are currently seven European teams comfortably better than any in the Premier League – Barca, both Madrid clubs, Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund, Paris Saint-Germain and Juventus.

      The record of English clubs against these sides this season reads: Played ten, lost nine. And after Manchester City take on PSG and Liverpool play Dortmund in their quarter-finals, it would be little surprise if our clubs ended up with 13 defeats from 14.

       

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      Europe: Leicester could be more effective against teams like Barcelona than England's elite

       

      To defeat such superior opposition requires the cunning to win without much possession, tactical adaptability and the mentality to kill off a game. You also need four old-school defenders who love to defend and a couple of central midfielders who shield effectively.

      Leicester, unlike any other current Premier League team, possess these attributes in spades.

      But not unlike the most recent English team to enjoy Champions League success, the Chelsea side of 2012 which defeated Barcelona and Bayern with precious little of the ball.

      Leicester, a staggering 18 points better off than any Premier League rival over the past calendar year, have adapted admirably to the demands of front-running, maintaining top spot since mid-January.

       

      Action Images via Reuters / Carl Recine
      Sussed: Jamie Vardy has been less effective since January, but the Foxes have not

       

      Once teams sussed out the ‘long ball over the top to Jamie Vardy’ ploy which served them so well during the first half of the season, Ranieri’s men have been flexible enough to break down teams seeking to frustrate them and are grinding out 1-0 victories with remarkable regularity.

      As champions of England, Leicester will also be a top seed in next season’s group stage – giving them every chance of progressing, despite their lack of European experience.

      Leicester now face the challenge of constructing a deeper squad, yet they boast undoubtedly the best scouting system in England and a Thai owner capable of buying a round of beers for 30,000 people.

       

      Jan Kruger
      Changes: Long gone are the days when Micky Adams was in charge

       

      It’s a far cry from 2003, when Micky Adams’ Leicester took on Ronaldinho & Co, just a year after the club had sunk into administration.

      Adams was there at the King Power as a radio co-commentator on Sunday when Leicester defeated Southampton to go seven points clear with six to play.

      He remembers that Barca friendly as a ‘feisty old game’, with several flare-ups and Barca’s Phillip Cocu sent off.

      Nobody from the Nou Camp should expect an easier ride if they meet for real next season.

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Little old Leicester? They could be more effective in the Champions League than England's 'elite'

  • 20:00, 4 APR 2016

  • There is a framed picture in the corridor leading to the King Power Stadium press box, showing Leicester’s stocky left-back Alan Rogers tackling Ronaldinho ofBarcelona in a 2003 friendly.

    ‘Look,’ it seems to say, ‘the day little old Leicester played the mighty Barcelona! Oh and remember Rogers? He used to play for Tranmere and here is taking on the World Cup-winner who’d knocked out England the previous year’.

    The photo looks a little incongruous now, given that Leicester will be mathematically certain of Champions League qualification next weekend, should they defeat Sunderland and Manchester United fail to beat Tottenham.

    That in itself will be the most remarkable achievement of the Premier League era. Even though it will be largely overlooked, given that the title is within Leicester’s grasp.

    Yet still some of that ‘little old Leicester’ attitude remains. It’s mainly the pub bores and phone-in maniacs who are voicing the concern that the Foxes might embarrass English football in the Champions League.

    Getty 2003: Leicester played Barcelona in a friendly 13 years ago

    But it’s also being muttered among journalists and ex-pros in press boxes too. The idea that Leicester will be the worst English champions in history.

    And that, even though the idea of the European Clubs Association wanting to rope off the Champions League is anathema, Claudio Ranieri’s men somehow won’t truly belong there. That they will perform dismally and damage England’s cherished coefficient ranking.

    No one wants to broadcast these sentiments because they don’t want to piddle upon the greatest story in footballing history.

    Privately, though, they sneer at the fact that Leicester have one of the lowest ball-possession percentages in the Premier League and the worst pass-completion rate too.

    Action Images via Reuters / Carl Recine Experienced: Claudio Ranieri has managed Champions League teams before

    The Foxes have been under-estimated all season and it looks as though they will be under-estimated right the way into the European Cup.

    Yet this Leicester side is more intelligent, streetwise, cynical and effective than any of the established Premier League elite.

    There are currently seven European teams comfortably better than any in the Premier League – Barca, both Madrid clubs, Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund, Paris Saint-Germain and Juventus.

    The record of English clubs against these sides this season reads: Played ten, lost nine. And after Manchester City take on PSG and Liverpool play Dortmund in their quarter-finals, it would be little surprise if our clubs ended up with 13 defeats from 14.

    Richard Heathcote/Getty Europe: Leicester could be more effective against teams like Barcelona than England's elite

    To defeat such superior opposition requires the cunning to win without much possession, tactical adaptability and the mentality to kill off a game. You also need four old-school defenders who love to defend and a couple of central midfielders who shield effectively.

    Leicester, unlike any other current Premier League team, possess these attributes in spades.

    But not unlike the most recent English team to enjoy Champions League success, the Chelsea side of 2012 which defeated Barcelona and Bayern with precious little of the ball.

    Leicester, a staggering 18 points better off than any Premier League rival over the past calendar year, have adapted admirably to the demands of front-running, maintaining top spot since mid-January.

    Action Images via Reuters / Carl Recine Sussed: Jamie Vardy has been less effective since January, but the Foxes have not

    Once teams sussed out the ‘long ball over the top to Jamie Vardy’ ploy which served them so well during the first half of the season, Ranieri’s men have been flexible enough to break down teams seeking to frustrate them and are grinding out 1-0 victories with remarkable regularity.

    As champions of England, Leicester will also be a top seed in next season’s group stage – giving them every chance of progressing, despite their lack of European experience.

    Leicester now face the challenge of constructing a deeper squad, yet they boast undoubtedly the best scouting system in England and a Thai owner capable of buying a round of beers for 30,000 people.

    Jan Kruger Changes: Long gone are the days when Micky Adams was in charge

    It’s a far cry from 2003, when Micky Adams’ Leicester took on Ronaldinho & Co, just a year after the club had sunk into administration.

    Adams was there at the King Power as a radio co-commentator on Sunday when Leicester defeated Southampton to go seven points clear with six to play.

    He remembers that Barca friendly as a ‘feisty old game’, with several flare-ups and Barca’s Phillip Cocu sent off.

    Nobody from the Nou Camp should expect an easier ride if they meet for real next season.

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We'll ruin the coefficient though!!

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MORE LEEDS THAN BLACKBURN: WHY SHEARER WAS WRONG ABOUT LEICESTER

Sh_Leic.jpgIt would be quite easy to fill several books with the idiotic quotes spouted from Alan Shearer on Match of the Day but fortunately no one’s bothered to waste their effort on such an abomination. It wasn’t long ago that the dour pundit sat with a straight face and told the world that Leicester’s current title challenge was similar to Blackburn’s in 1995.

I’m paraphrasing but the former Rovers striker said something along the lines of “at Blackburn we were the underdogs and we took on the big boys and won it.” Shearer’s right in that Rovers were slight underdogs and they did win the league, he’d also be right to assert that Blackburn were a small club in terms of size and fan base similar to Leicester, but that’s where the similarities end. Before the Venky’s had the fans dressing chickens in costumes and holding weekly protests, under their former owner the multi-millionaire Jack Walker, Blackburn spent vast sums of money on players and wages, perennially spending record fees. The season they won the league Rovers broke the English transfer record bringing Chris Sutton to Ewood Park while two seasons earlier Shearer himself had made history with his mega-bucks move to East Lancashire. Blackburn were a rich big-spending club whose goal was to win the league, Leicester have spent next to nothing and were hoping to avoid relegation. If we really want to compare them with another ‘rags to riches’ title winning fairy tale then we have to go further back than the Premier League era, to one season before it was founded.

1991-92 was the final campaign under the old Division One set-up, before Sky TV got their hands on the beautiful game and you could still watch league games on good old terrestrial telly. It was a time when Liverpool’s dominance was beginning to show signs of coming to an end, a time when Arsenal were threatening to become the new force in English football and Manchester United were starting to look like a team that could end a 25 year wait for the title. It was a time when a little fancied club from Yorkshire who’d been in the second tier only two seasons earlier defied the odds and bagged their first title since Don Revie had been in charge almost twenty years before.

Just as Leicester’s squad this season has something of a odds and sods look to it, made up of players who didn’t quite make the grade at the very top sides, unknown foreigners and seasoned pros from the lower leagues, so did Leeds in 92. Howard Wilkinson built a team with less money than his rivals, although admittedly not quite Leicester levels of poverty, by buying players other clubs weren’t willing to take a punt on.

Wilkinson had been assembling his title challenging squad over the past few seasons, John Lukic was re-signed from Arsenal with George Graham preferring David Seaman in goal at Highbury, Mel Sterland had been brought in from a brief spell at Rangers while Chris Whyte had been purchased from West Bromwich Albion only two seasons after having to move to the US for a professional contract. 34 year old former Manchester United winger Gordon Strachan skippered Wilkinson’s side and added some much needed experience to a midfield that featured young academy graduates Gary Speed and David Batty.

Throw in the classy Gary McCallister – a million pound signing from Leicester City and Leeds were a side to be admired, their fourth place finish in 1990-91 showed they were a capable team, but did anyone really think they could challenge for and win the title? In the previous season Arsenal had won their second title in three seasons, finishing a whopping 19 points above fourth-placed Leeds. In the Summer of 1991, Liverpool spent big as Graeme Souness approached his first full season as manager of the club he’d skippered to unprecedented success. Under Souness Liverpool brought in Dean Saunders for an English record fee while Mark Wright joined his former Derby County team mate at Anfield for the princely sum of £2.2 million. Liverpool were looking in good shape to regain the title they’d won while Leeds were gaining promotion.

Then there was Arsenal, not only the defending champions but a side who would spend big money to bring the prolific Ian Wright to the club a month into the season. Manchester United and their neighbours City both invested in the Summer, the Reds bringing in keeper Peter Schmeichel and England defender Paul Parker as Ryan Giggs emerged as a true talent – as did Lee Sharpe, the Blues spent big on Keith Curle and bagged Liverpool enforcer Steve McMahon. It was safe to say had Leeds finished fourth again, then it would have been a commendable achievement in the midst of so many sides looking to ‘kick on’ and willing to spend the money to do so.

Leeds weren’t afraid to splash the cash in the Summer of 91 spending a club record fee on Rod Wallace to compliment last season’s top scorer Lee Chapman. It wasn’t Chapman or Wallace that many remember from that Leeds side though, but a certain mercurial Frenchman who was added later on in the season and in many ways summed up just what makes Leeds similar to Leicester this season. When many scoffed at the idea of N’Golo Kante being capable of becoming the lynchpin of a title winning midfield, many in 1991 saw Eric Cantona as a huge headache that would derail a side rather than invigorate it. Both Souness and Trevor Francis turned down the chance to sign Cantona, the latter demanding a second trial of the Frenchman- who on earth really needs to see Eric Cantona do a second trial to know if he’s good enough?

Eric bagged three goals in the last 15 games, plus a few more assists for his strike partner Chapman as Leeds began a title winning charge just as Manchester United began to disintegrate. As a United fan it was hard to take, seeing us lose at home to Nottingham Forest, away to West Ham and Liverpool in a disastrous April run which coincided with a hat-trick of Leeds wins.

No matter how much it pains me to admit it as a United fan, the table doesn’t lie and Wilkinson had put together a team of misfits, youngsters and underrated stars who gelled for one glorious season.

Following their title win, Leeds put up the sort of defence that would’ve made David Moyes blush, failing to win a single away game in the 1992-93 season, finishing only two points above the relegation zone and selling Cantona to United who finally helped the Reds end their long wait for the title. Talk about a terrible follow-up season.

Should Leicester win the title, it will be the most shocking win since well before Leeds United, but if we want to compare it to a more recent triumph than Brian Clough’s Nottingham Forest, then forget Kenny Dalglish’s Blackburn side, it was Wilkinson’s Whites who are the one side in recent memory, to upset the fancied few.

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Leicester's Jamie Vardy condemns 'vile' daughter threats

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_88797657_gettyimages-515614172.jpgImage copyrightGetty ImagesImage captionJamie Vardy is the Premier League's top scorer with 19 goalsPolice said they are investigating reports of sexual threats directed at Leicester City striker Jamie Vardy's one-year-old daughter.

The tweets were made after a picture of the forward's child, Sofia, was posted on his Twitter page.

Vardy, who has scored 19 league goals for the Premier League leaders this season, called the posts "shocking and vile".

Leicestershire Police said they are liaising with the club over the tweets.

Updates on this story and more from Leicestershire

_89073335_vardydaughtertweetsblurred.pngImage copyrightTwitterImage captionThe tweet has been blurred for its graphic content - Leicestershire Police said they are investigating "a malicious communication"_89073339_vardydaughtertweetsreaction4.pImage copyrightTwitterImage captionThe threats were made after Vardy's fiancée, Rebekah Nicholson, posted a picture of the one-year-old wearing a Leicester City shirtA number of tweeters reacted angrily to the threats after Vardy took screenshots of the tweets and, on Sunday, posted them to his 240,000 followers.

The 29-year-old's fiancée, Rebekah Nicholson, who originally tweeted the shots of her daughter wearing a Foxes shirt, said the social media users in question needed "locking up".

Former Leicester and Blackpool striker Gary Taylor-Fletcher called those responsible "disgraceful and sick", while another tweeter labelled them "pigs".

_89072933_vardydaughtertweetsreaction5.pImage copyrightTwitter_89072936_vardydaughtertweetsreaction6.pImage copyrightTwitterA spokesman for Leicestershire Police said: "Leicestershire Police is investigating a report of a malicious communication being sent via social media.

"A report was made today [4 April] of an abusive message being received yesterday evening [3 April] by a woman on Twitter. Enquiries remain ongoing."

A Leicester City Football Club spokesman said: "We have offered our full support to Jamie and his family in dealing with this shocking abuse and referred the matter to the police."

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MORE LEEDS THAN BLACKBURN: WHY SHEARER WAS WRONG ABOUT LEICESTER

Sh_Leic.jpgIt would be quite easy to fill several books with the idiotic quotes spouted from Alan Shearer on Match of the Day but fortunately no one’s bothered to waste their effort on such an abomination. It wasn’t long ago that the dour pundit sat with a straight face and told the world that Leicester’s current title challenge was similar to Blackburn’s in 1995.

I’m paraphrasing but the former Rovers striker said something along the lines of “at Blackburn we were the underdogs and we took on the big boys and won it.” Shearer’s right in that Rovers were slight underdogs and they did win the league, he’d also be right to assert that Blackburn were a small club in terms of size and fan base similar to Leicester, but that’s where the similarities end. Before the Venky’s had the fans dressing chickens in costumes and holding weekly protests, under their former owner the multi-millionaire Jack Walker, Blackburn spent vast sums of money on players and wages, perennially spending record fees. The season they won the league Rovers broke the English transfer record bringing Chris Sutton to Ewood Park while two seasons earlier Shearer himself had made history with his mega-bucks move to East Lancashire. Blackburn were a rich big-spending club whose goal was to win the league, Leicester have spent next to nothing and were hoping to avoid relegation. If we really want to compare them with another ‘rags to riches’ title winning fairy tale then we have to go further back than the Premier League era, to one season before it was founded.

1991-92 was the final campaign under the old Division One set-up, before Sky TV got their hands on the beautiful game and you could still watch league games on good old terrestrial telly. It was a time when Liverpool’s dominance was beginning to show signs of coming to an end, a time when Arsenal were threatening to become the new force in English football and Manchester United were starting to look like a team that could end a 25 year wait for the title. It was a time when a little fancied club from Yorkshire who’d been in the second tier only two seasons earlier defied the odds and bagged their first title since Don Revie had been in charge almost twenty years before.

Just as Leicester’s squad this season has something of a odds and sods look to it, made up of players who didn’t quite make the grade at the very top sides, unknown foreigners and seasoned pros from the lower leagues, so did Leeds in 92. Howard Wilkinson built a team with less money than his rivals, although admittedly not quite Leicester levels of poverty, by buying players other clubs weren’t willing to take a punt on.

Wilkinson had been assembling his title challenging squad over the past few seasons, John Lukic was re-signed from Arsenal with George Graham preferring David Seaman in goal at Highbury, Mel Sterland had been brought in from a brief spell at Rangers while Chris Whyte had been purchased from West Bromwich Albion only two seasons after having to move to the US for a professional contract. 34 year old former Manchester United winger Gordon Strachan skippered Wilkinson’s side and added some much needed experience to a midfield that featured young academy graduates Gary Speed and David Batty.

Throw in the classy Gary McCallister – a million pound signing from Leicester City and Leeds were a side to be admired, their fourth place finish in 1990-91 showed they were a capable team, but did anyone really think they could challenge for and win the title? In the previous season Arsenal had won their second title in three seasons, finishing a whopping 19 points above fourth-placed Leeds. In the Summer of 1991, Liverpool spent big as Graeme Souness approached his first full season as manager of the club he’d skippered to unprecedented success. Under Souness Liverpool brought in Dean Saunders for an English record fee while Mark Wright joined his former Derby County team mate at Anfield for the princely sum of £2.2 million. Liverpool were looking in good shape to regain the title they’d won while Leeds were gaining promotion.

Then there was Arsenal, not only the defending champions but a side who would spend big money to bring the prolific Ian Wright to the club a month into the season. Manchester United and their neighbours City both invested in the Summer, the Reds bringing in keeper Peter Schmeichel and England defender Paul Parker as Ryan Giggs emerged as a true talent – as did Lee Sharpe, the Blues spent big on Keith Curle and bagged Liverpool enforcer Steve McMahon. It was safe to say had Leeds finished fourth again, then it would have been a commendable achievement in the midst of so many sides looking to ‘kick on’ and willing to spend the money to do so.

Leeds weren’t afraid to splash the cash in the Summer of 91 spending a club record fee on Rod Wallace to compliment last season’s top scorer Lee Chapman. It wasn’t Chapman or Wallace that many remember from that Leeds side though, but a certain mercurial Frenchman who was added later on in the season and in many ways summed up just what makes Leeds similar to Leicester this season. When many scoffed at the idea of N’Golo Kante being capable of becoming the lynchpin of a title winning midfield, many in 1991 saw Eric Cantona as a huge headache that would derail a side rather than invigorate it. Both Souness and Trevor Francis turned down the chance to sign Cantona, the latter demanding a second trial of the Frenchman- who on earth really needs to see Eric Cantona do a second trial to know if he’s good enough?

Eric bagged three goals in the last 15 games, plus a few more assists for his strike partner Chapman as Leeds began a title winning charge just as Manchester United began to disintegrate. As a United fan it was hard to take, seeing us lose at home to Nottingham Forest, away to West Ham and Liverpool in a disastrous April run which coincided with a hat-trick of Leeds wins.

No matter how much it pains me to admit it as a United fan, the table doesn’t lie and Wilkinson had put together a team of misfits, youngsters and underrated stars who gelled for one glorious season.

Following their title win, Leeds put up the sort of defence that would’ve made David Moyes blush, failing to win a single away game in the 1992-93 season, finishing only two points above the relegation zone and selling Cantona to United who finally helped the Reds end their long wait for the title. Talk about a terrible follow-up season.

Should Leicester win the title, it will be the most shocking win since well before Leeds United, but if we want to compare it to a more recent triumph than Brian Clough’s Nottingham Forest, then forget Kenny Dalglish’s Blackburn side, it was Wilkinson’s Whites who are the one side in recent memory, to upset the fancied few.

 

I'm not 1 to brag, but I remember telling everyone that Leeds would win it that year before the season began. It wasn't that much of a shock.

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Presumably he's referring to the people making the threats about his daughter...

 

 

Presumably it's a joke, slightly sub par for Stan but it got a smirk and and roll, of the eyes.

 

classic white text.

 

I knew who you were on about lol

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Funny aricle, the bloke behind those scarves needs taking out at dawn though, single handily will have made the entire club a joke if we let it slip. We shouldn't look stupid no matter what happens in the final six games but those things could turn into Spurs/Arsenal collectors items.

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Funny aricle, the bloke behind those scarves needs taking out at dawn though, single handily will have made the entire club a joke if we let it slip. We shouldn't look stupid no matter what happens in the final six games but those things could turn into Spurs/Arsenal collectors items.

But he's wearing a Chelsea jumper. The only people that want shooting are any day trippers daft enough to have brought one.

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Funny aricle, the bloke behind those scarves needs taking out at dawn though, single handily will have made the entire club a joke if we let it slip. We shouldn't look stupid no matter what happens in the final six games but those things could turn into Spurs/Arsenal collectors items.

Piss stains up the front of his tee shirt were a bit of an off putter.
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We are into the paranormal....whhhhoooohhhhhh..

Releasing the oldest car-park-attendant from his

hidden unwanted parking place, has opened up

a new dimensional warp....Allowing ancient dreams

to become reality, and the balance of power a changing

to the good guys....Santa does exist..

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We are into the paranormal....whhhhoooohhhhhh..

Releasing the oldest car-park-attendant from his

hidden unwanted parking place, has opened up

a new dimensional warp....Allowing ancient dreams

to become reality, and the balance of power a changing

to the good guys....Santa does exist..

 

And don't forget Buddhist meditation. Stay in the now.

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From that Forest forum

 

Leicester have a knack of being in the right place at the right time, their league cup wins coincided with the big teams fielding their under 14 sides,they stuck 2 fingers up to everybody when the went into administration around 2003, never sold assets and gained promotion to the prem as well as shafting everybody who worked on the new stadium to only pay 10p in the pound for what they owed, and finally their last promotion was also done on the back of breaking FFP similar to QPR but as they stayed up it has all been swept under the carpet.
so in essence they invented FFP broke it and now sit top of the league, it all does not sit right does it?
So before people start creaming themselves and patting them on the back that Leicester are somehow 'GOOD FOR FOOTBALL' think on.
Bless the modern game eh!

 

 

Not bitter  lol

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