Old Fox Posted 11 August 2016 Posted 11 August 2016 1 hour ago, AKCJ said: FoxesTalk never fails to make me laugh. 18m for Jeff Schlupp? Come on ffs. 11m is a fair price. Wouldn't have any problems selling Schlupp for the price of Gray + Kapustka. It's good business. Good business......your deluded..... Cost us £10m for an upgrade..... Jeff can only improve as he did under Claudio last year and pace, power plus valuable in several positions...... Some fans seem so quick to break up this Premiership winning squad for peanuts in today's market.
HankMarvin Posted 11 August 2016 Posted 11 August 2016 1 minute ago, Costock_Fox said: Thanks, What has King done in the team in the last three years? Remember that small part he played when he won us a couple of match's with crucial goals/performances when we stayed up? Also played a good part in games towards the end of last season as well as clearly being a good guy to have around. Would we get £11m for King? Nope, therefore sell Schlupp for a similar fee and keep a player who has seen us all with us and is happy knowing he wont play every week. Hold on, You said you would rather have Aids in your eyes than read someones opinion to sell king over Schlupp, King 2015 / 2016 English Premier League 24Games 2Goals 1Assists 20Shots 2014 / 2015 English Premier League 24Games 2Goals 0Assists 14Shots Schlupp 2015 / 2016 English Premier League 24Games 1Goals 2Assists 26Shots 2014 / 2015 English Premier League 32Games 3Goals 2Assists 40Shots Selective memory maybe???
AKCJ Posted 11 August 2016 Posted 11 August 2016 6 minutes ago, Old Fox said: Good business......your deluded..... Cost us £10m for an upgrade..... Jeff can only improve as he did under Claudio last year and pace, power plus valuable in several positions...... Some fans seem so quick to break up this Premiership winning squad for peanuts in today's market. We bought a better winger in January for about 3m. 11m is a lot of money. Just because some of the richest clubs in England can afford to splash out, it doesn't mean anyone can. 11m for someone who is a jack of all trades but not close to being Premier League level at one is very good business. You'd have ripped West Brom's arm off at that last season and he's done nothing but be fortunate enough to have a team good enough to win the Premier League around him. Sound harsh... it is harsh... but it's reality.
HankMarvin Posted 11 August 2016 Posted 11 August 2016 1 minute ago, AKCJ said: We bought a better winger in January for about 3m. 11m is a lot of money. Just because some of the richest clubs in England can afford to splash out, it doesn't mean anyone can. 11m for someone who is a jack of all trades but not close to being Premier League level at one is very good business. You'd have ripped West Brom's arm off at that last season and he's done nothing but be fortunate enough to have a team good enough to win the Premier League around him. Sound harsh... it is harsh... but it's reality. Not sure how you come to that conclusion? his has all ready played, scored and assisted at this level at 23.
VLC86 Posted 11 August 2016 Posted 11 August 2016 2 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: Hold on, You said you would rather have Aids in your eyes than read someones opinion to sell king over Schlupp, King 2015 / 2016 English Premier League 24Games 2Goals 1Assists 20Shots 2014 / 2015 English Premier League 24Games 2Goals 0Assists 14Shots Schlupp 2015 / 2016 English Premier League 24Games 1Goals 2Assists 26Shots 2014 / 2015 English Premier League 32Games 3Goals 2Assists 40Shots Selective memory maybe??? I would rather sell Schlupp than King and my opinion wont be changed by someone selecting 4 stats that are very comparable and reinforce my point that we can get a decent fee for Jeff but not King. I wouldn't have a problem at all with keeping Schlupp to be fair.
Old Fox Posted 11 August 2016 Posted 11 August 2016 7 minutes ago, AKCJ said: We bought a better winger in January for about 3m. 11m is a lot of money. Just because some of the richest clubs in England can afford to splash out, it doesn't mean anyone can. 11m for someone who is a jack of all trades but not close to being Premier League level at one is very good business. You'd have ripped West Brom's arm off at that last season and he's done nothing but be fortunate enough to have a team good enough to win the Premier League around him. Sound harsh... it is harsh... but it's reality. In your view.... It has nothing to do with our wealth.....I think Demarai has potential but he is not proven yet and you would not get him now or anyone to replace Jeff for much under £20m....Brady has been quoted at £18m+ and I personally prefer Jeff. He can be damn frustrating but keep in my opinion...we beg to differ!
HankMarvin Posted 11 August 2016 Posted 11 August 2016 16 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said: Thanks, What has King done in the team in the last three years? Remember that small part he played when he won us a couple of match's with crucial goals/performances when we stayed up? Also played a good part in games towards the end of last season as well as clearly being a good guy to have around. Would we get £11m for King? Nope, therefore in direct response to the comment, I would rather sell schlupp for £11m than lose King for a lot less. 1 minute ago, Costock_Fox said: I would rather sell Schlupp than King and my opinion wont be changed by someone selecting 4 stats that are very comparable and reinforce my point that we can get a decent fee for Jeff but not King. I wouldn't have a problem at all with keeping Schlupp to be fair. The point i was making is your post was reacting like someone said Id rather have Schlupp over Messi, when in fact they have both been bit part players on the pitch with Schlupp being younger and more of a raw talent I fail to see how you can react to a guy posting his preference by saying you would rather have Aids of the eye balls than to read Schlupp over king
VLC86 Posted 11 August 2016 Posted 11 August 2016 Just now, HankMarvin said: The point i was making is your post was reacting like someone said Id rather have Schlupp over Messi, when in fact they have both been bit part players on the pitch with Schlupp being younger and more of a raw talent I fail to see how you can react to a guy posting his preference by saying you would rather have Aids of the eye balls than to read Schlupp over king My post was a jokey way of saying what I have already said, end of.
Gerard Posted 11 August 2016 Posted 11 August 2016 3 minutes ago, Old Fox said: In your view.... It has nothing to do with our wealth.....I think Demarai has potential but he is not proven yet and you would not get him now or anyone to replace Jeff for much under £20m....Brady has been quoted at £18m+ and I personally prefer Jeff. He can be damn frustrating but keep in my opinion...we beg to differ! I agree with @AKCJ I like Schlupp but we still should sell squad players if we are offered above their value. We've signed Gray and Kapustka for less money than Schlupp would go for and that's probably great business. Most of our fans aren't very pragmatic and want to keep our squad together whatever the offer, for example if we could sell Schlupp and Ulloa and spend the proceeds on Gabriel Barbosa who would honestly say that's not great business?
Stevosevic Posted 11 August 2016 Posted 11 August 2016 We've got 4 wingers, Schlupp will probably become 5th choice in time with Gray and Kapustka being so highly rated as young lads and Mahrez and Albrighton currently first choice. I like Jeff, and like his impact, but we should consider an offer that is a fair value.
Old Fox Posted 11 August 2016 Posted 11 August 2016 7 minutes ago, Gerard said: I agree with @AKCJ I like Schlupp but we still should sell squad players if we are offered above their value. We've signed Gray and Kapustka for less money than Schlupp would go for and that's probably great business. Most of our fans aren't very pragmatic and want to keep our squad together whatever the offer, for example if we could sell Schlupp and Ulloa and spend the proceeds on Gabriel Barbosa who would honestly say that's not great business? Pragmatism or realism....Gray still unproven, Mahrez still could leave, Kaputska new to England....all risks....Schlupp isn't. You know what you get with Jeff and his value in the mad market today is not £11m.... As for Barbosa.....well I am not convinced.....talented Brazilians at that age have massive risk attached as over the years South American success in the Premier League has been mixed.....
LAprice_ Posted 11 August 2016 Posted 11 August 2016 36 minutes ago, AKCJ said: We bought a better winger in January for about 3m. 11m is a lot of money. Just because some of the richest clubs in England can afford to splash out, it doesn't mean anyone can. 11m for someone who is a jack of all trades but not close to being Premier League level at one is very good business. You'd have ripped West Brom's arm off at that last season and he's done nothing but be fortunate enough to have a team good enough to win the Premier League around him. Sound harsh... it is harsh... but it's reality. Yeah, we paid £3m for Gray and that was a bargain. But it was also a risk. He was only 19 and completely unproven in the Premier League. Gray will be worth well over £30m in 5 years time. Probably throw in an extra 5/6 million cos he's English. Just because we got a good deal, it doesn't mean we should let other clubs take our players for such low prices. £3m to Birmingham City, a Championship team, is a lot of money. £11m to the Premier League champions to take a player that we still need is ridiculous. Ross McCormack cost more than that. Twice And yes, we still need him. We're going to be playing more games than ever before. Why would we sell our second longest serving player? Especially when two other players in his position, Kapustka and Gray are both very young and inexperienced. . I actually can't believe people are willing to sell Schlupp for such a small amount. Find another player with the same attributes as Schlupp for less than £20m. He's one of the most underrated players in the squad. We have no reason to sell him and, because of that, his price tag should be extortionately high. If we sold Schlupp and then spent more money on someone like Robbie Brady, it would be very, very bad business.
Old Fox Posted 11 August 2016 Posted 11 August 2016 Just now, LAprice_ said: Yeah, we paid £3m for Gray and that was a bargain. But it was also a risk. He was only 19 and completely unproven in the Premier League. I Gray will be worth well over £30m in 5 years time. Probably throw in an extra 5/6 million cos he's English. Just because we got a good deal, it doesn't mean we should let other clubs take our players for such low prices. £3m to Birmingham City, a Championship team, is a lot of money. £11m to the Premier League champions to take a player that we still need is ridiculous. Ross McCormack cost more than that. Twice And yes, we still need him. We're going to be playing more games than ever before. Why would we sell our second longest serving player? Especially when two other players in his position, Kapustka and Gray are both very young and inexperienced. . I actually can't believe people are willing to sell Schlupp for such a small amount. Find another player with the same attributes as Schlupp for less than £20m. He's one of the most underrated players in the squad. We have no reason to sell him and, because of that, his price tag should be extortionately high. If we sold Schlupp and then spent more money on someone like Robbie Brady, it would be very, very bad business. Great post....agree completely ...hopefully Claudio and the board agree!
hackneyfox Posted 11 August 2016 Posted 11 August 2016 44 minutes ago, Old Fox said: Good business......your deluded..... Cost us £10m for an upgrade..... Jeff can only improve as he did under Claudio last year and pace, power plus valuable in several positions...... Some fans seem so quick to break up this Premiership winning squad for peanuts in today's market. I'm happy to pay £10m for an upgrade. Which positions is he valuable in? Awful full back, certainly not a striker and a fast winger without much end product. Claudio may make him a better winger. 38 minutes ago, AKCJ said: We bought a better winger in January for about 3m. 11m is a lot of money. Just because some of the richest clubs in England can afford to splash out, it doesn't mean anyone can. 11m for someone who is a jack of all trades but not close to being Premier League level at one is very good business. You'd have ripped West Brom's arm off at that last season and he's done nothing but be fortunate enough to have a team good enough to win the Premier League around him. Sound harsh... it is harsh... but it's reality. This
pazzerfox Posted 11 August 2016 Posted 11 August 2016 7 minutes ago, LAprice_ said: Yeah, we paid £3m for Gray and that was a bargain. But it was also a risk. He was only 19 and completely unproven in the Premier League. Gray will be worth well over £30m in 5 years time. Probably throw in an extra 5/6 million cos he's English. Just because we got a good deal, it doesn't mean we should let other clubs take our players for such low prices. £3m to Birmingham City, a Championship team, is a lot of money. £11m to the Premier League champions to take a player that we still need is ridiculous. Ross McCormack cost more than that. Twice And yes, we still need him. We're going to be playing more games than ever before. Why would we sell our second longest serving player? Especially when two other players in his position, Kapustka and Gray are both very young and inexperienced. . I actually can't believe people are willing to sell Schlupp for such a small amount. Find another player with the same attributes as Schlupp for less than £20m. He's one of the most underrated players in the squad. We have no reason to sell him and, because of that, his price tag should be extortionately high. If we sold Schlupp and then spent more money on someone like Robbie Brady, it would be very, very bad business. Couldn't have put it better myself...take a bow son, take a bow.
sylofox Posted 11 August 2016 Posted 11 August 2016 I don't get this keep Schlupp n being backed up by him doing something stupid. Rather have a Gray than one of our own joke Schlupp.
sylofox Posted 11 August 2016 Posted 11 August 2016 16 minutes ago, LAprice_ said: Yeah, we paid £3m for Gray and that was a bargain. But it was also a risk. He was only 19 and completely unproven in the Premier League. Gray will be worth well over £30m in 5 years time. Probably throw in an extra 5/6 million cos he's English. Just because we got a good deal, it doesn't mean we should let other clubs take our players for such low prices. £3m to Birmingham City, a Championship team, is a lot of money. £11m to the Premier League champions to take a player that we still need is ridiculous. Ross McCormack cost more than that. Twice And yes, we still need him. We're going to be playing more games than ever before. Why would we sell our second longest serving player? Especially when two other players in his position, Kapustka and Gray are both very young and inexperienced. . I actually can't believe people are willing to sell Schlupp for such a small amount. Find another player with the same attributes as Schlupp for less than £20m. He's one of the most underrated players in the squad. We have no reason to sell him and, because of that, his price tag should be extortionately high. If we sold Schlupp and then spent more money on someone like Robbie Brady, it would be very, very bad business. Gray will be worth 60m in 2yrs if he gets game time Schlupp at best 25m
Rob1742 Posted 11 August 2016 Posted 11 August 2016 I think that on the basis we now have 5 wingers, 1 must be surplus. Seems strange the new Polish bloke turned up, for no apparent reason. Must be that either Jeff or Mahrez are to go, and with Mahrez looking unlikely, surely the Jeff Mobile is on his way. Just at my thoughts, unless there is something that has been said to Mahrez to give us until January, then if it's all going belly up he can go. Either way, the 5th winger has been purchased for a reason. You don't just collect footballers.
TJB-fox Posted 11 August 2016 Posted 11 August 2016 38 minutes ago, Rob1742 said: I think that on the basis we now have 5 wingers, 1 must be surplus. Seems strange the new Polish bloke turned up, for no apparent reason. Must be that either Jeff or Mahrez are to go, and with Mahrez looking unlikely, surely the Jeff Mobile is on his way. Just at my thoughts, unless there is something that has been said to Mahrez to give us until January, then if it's all going belly up he can go. Either way, the 5th winger has been purchased for a reason. You don't just collect footballers. Almost seemed like it was too good a deal to turn down re kapustka. So cheap for a great young talent. Could be wrong
fuchsntf Posted 11 August 2016 Posted 11 August 2016 We dont have 5 out and out wingers, they dont exsist in modern football. We need more squad players this year, than last. just taking names from ones own wish list, doesnt mean that player will fit. Why now start again, attacking our own players. We have been a club well over the last ten years, have bought and sold players like for like. and lost money. We have extended the squad, and improved the squad with our buys. I trust Ranieri and owners, when investing in the squad, why sell, when there aint better showing they want or willing to come to the KP. Potechino the spurs manager, hit the preverbial nail on the head, why buy for buying sake. There might be a few good players out there, but are they better or can they improve on not only on what we have, but what we are...!! Claudio said that in January and in July...some fans just dont get it...!!
Carl the Llama Posted 12 August 2016 Posted 12 August 2016 Can't blame Jeff for being a bit off the boil this preseason; he's had a lot to concentrate on with the Rio Olympics but now he's nailed that gold in the women's all round gymnastics he'll be back full of confidence and better than ever.
Gerard Posted 12 August 2016 Posted 12 August 2016 4 hours ago, Old Fox said: Pragmatism or realism....Gray still unproven, Mahrez still could leave, Kaputska new to England....all risks....Schlupp isn't. You know what you get with Jeff and his value in the mad market today is not £11m.... As for Barbosa.....well I am not convinced.....talented Brazilians at that age have massive risk attached as over the years South American success in the Premier League has been mixed..... Call Gray "unproven" if you like but I've seen enough to form an opinion that he's a quality player, I'd be amazed if he didn't play for England and be a top PL player over the next ten years. Kapustka is already a Polish international and both these players are 19 or were 19 up until a month a go in Gray's case. With Mahrez, Albrighton and Musa looking to fill the first team spots then selling Schlupp for good money and allowing Gray and Kapustka more game time might be a wise move. I for one am very pleased with our five wide players left if Schlupp went.
Tom17LCFC Posted 12 August 2016 Posted 12 August 2016 I'm assuming people are on the wind up when they say they'd sell Schlupp for £11m?? Look at the going rate for players in this transfer window, on top of the fact we need a full squad to cope with the 4 competitions we'll be in this season. And it's Schlupp...
CosbehFox Posted 12 August 2016 Posted 12 August 2016 For all the comparisons with Gray, they played roughly the same amount of time in the second half of last season where Jeff did a touch more damage in the final stretch (Swansea/West Ham). For all of Gray's talent, I've yet to see him for Leicester come on in a game and make an impact similar to Jeff has done previously. That would suggest selling Jeff would be premature with Kapi's first two/three months as well to be all about getting stronger and fitter to the PL Criticise Jeff all you want but his directness when played at left wing is an underrated asset. He works on an instinct perfect example on Sunday when Valencia pressed him to the byline and Jeff digged out a great cross to the back post
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