whoareyaaa Posted 14 July 2017 Posted 14 July 2017 25 minutes ago, Babylon said: Except James averaged more assists, more chances created, more tackles, more interceptions, better in the air. I like both of them equally, but James seems to get under appreciated far more because he doesn't try the hollywood pass 20 times a game. I can't tell you what we would or wouldn't have done with James instead of DD, neither can you. All I know is what I see with my eyes and the stats seem to back up what I thought I saw. James was every inch as good as DD, different, but equally as good. Drinkwater has played 1300 more mins in those stats so you can't exactly rely on those as a fair comparison.
Babylon Posted 14 July 2017 Posted 14 July 2017 48 minutes ago, Thracian said: It's he combined lack of goals/assists that bother me for both players, together with their weakness in the air given that so much of our game is played in the air and with the inevitable waste and frustration. Either way the boss should know by the time pre-season's finished who's good enough and who needs replacing. Our team for the first game against Arsenal needs to be filled with people who are good enough and on top form - and the bench as well. The "chances" (for everyone) should come in the Hong Kong tournament and confirmation, perhaps, in the friendlies to follow. Of course they have limitations, I don't think anyone is suggesting either of them are the best we can get. A long way from it, it's more a discussion about what we have as it stands. If we go out and buy three amazing top quality CM's that are twice as good... then they can both jog on
Babylon Posted 14 July 2017 Posted 14 July 2017 31 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said: Drinkwater has played 1300 more mins in those stats so you can't exactly rely on those as a fair comparison. MJ's games are more than enough for a fair comparison. It's not like we're comparing a starter to a super sub.
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 July 2017 Posted 14 July 2017 1 hour ago, Thracian said: Suggests considerable limitations to both players. That was my first thought..
M0901 Posted 14 July 2017 Posted 14 July 2017 2 hours ago, Babylon said: Literally not a single f***** person has said he should walk back into the team. What people have argued against is those saying he should be sold as he's not good enough. All people want is for him to be given a fair chance, fully fit and back to how we was I'm convinced he's more than good enough to push for a starting position. Oh ****ing hell ? calm your tits, love. I don't think I even said that was a consensual opinion. All I'm saying is people are throwing stats to justify a claim to get him in, and while he is a good player, he's been out for so long now, and with Iborra coming in, he'll struggle to get that chance. Blessing is that James is well known by Shakey, so we'll see what happens.
Gerard Posted 14 July 2017 Posted 14 July 2017 20 hours ago, Babylon said: If he doesn't, then we sell him. Because there will be plenty of takers in Jan still. Barnsley thought he was god like during his loan, so let's leave it to the manger to decide. He'll have all the training data to compare against already to know if he's close to being as strong and fit as he was. He'll see him in training etc. That's a great point. If James is 99% of the player he was before the injury then we need to keep him as he's genuinely threatening Ndidi and Drinkwater for a place. Shakey should be able to make a call with the performance data in training and comparing now to three years a go. It's one we have to trust the club to get right. If we keep him then he must be back to his best and if we sell then the injury has cost him some of his game.
ROB-THE-BLUE Posted 14 July 2017 Posted 14 July 2017 Derby signing Huddlestone so maybe that's the end of their interest in James
gurru991 Posted 14 July 2017 Posted 14 July 2017 We've supported him through 2 years of rehab, we might just as well give him till the Winter trade deadline to prove himself. Crazy to let him go now.
sphericalfox Posted 14 July 2017 Posted 14 July 2017 28 minutes ago, gurru991 said: We've supported him through 2 years of rehab, we might just as well give him till the Winter trade deadline to prove himself. Crazy to let him go now. Winter trade deadline? We're not selling pelts and skins!
Chico1958 Posted 14 July 2017 Posted 14 July 2017 Considering where we were last year............. Midfield and defence weak Let's keep all our options open........ Trust in Shakespeare to keep what he wants Let go what he wants............. He will know what's best for the club and his Master Plan Me, I'd keep and give the guy a chance. If Pearson saw something in him, he can't be that bad.
HoustonFox Posted 14 July 2017 Posted 14 July 2017 Don't want him to go but come on folks... Drinky is a way better player - when they both played in the 2013/14 promotion season, Drinky was way better (that's the Drinky I want back by the way, way more mobile and an attacking threat). I do agree that he and James (didn't want to type Drinky again... damnitt) are a good pair but also Kingy featured a fair bit that season too. Highlights below - good waste (I mean use) of 2 hours...
Leeds Fox Posted 14 July 2017 Posted 14 July 2017 I'm not complaining, and I know how football is and what usually needs to happen to push on... but I like to think of City as our club and Matty James as one of our players. Rather have our players and see them do well and yes, sometimes play poorly. Rather than be tossed aside for a better player. I'm not saying keep players who are terrible because we'd be back in the Championship again. I'm by no means saying we shouldn't buy new, good quality and even very expensive players, just not at the expense of lads who we've had since they started out as full-time pros. Lads who've worn our shirt in with pride and done nothing to suggest they aren't good enough to help us to the next level. My point isn't easy to articulate but I'm sure some of you will understand what I mean.
gurru991 Posted 14 July 2017 Posted 14 July 2017 3 hours ago, sphericalfox said: Winter trade deadline? We're not selling pelts and skins! Thats exactly what we are selling
Guest Posted 14 July 2017 Posted 14 July 2017 I always felt James was a little better than Drinkwater, but that was before Drinky's transformation into a Premier League winner and full international, not to mention James' injury. I hope he's fully recovered and can make the same kind of improvement as Vardy, Morgan, Schmeichel, Albrighton etc. have done over the last couple of years, but it wouldn't completely surprise me if we moved him on either this summer or in January.
Thracian Posted 15 July 2017 Posted 15 July 2017 13 hours ago, HoustonFox said: Don't want him to go but come on folks... Drinky is a way better player - when they both played in the 2013/14 promotion season, Drinky was way better (that's the Drinky I want back by the way, way more mobile and an attacking threat). I do agree that he and James (didn't want to type Drinky again... damnitt) are a good pair but also Kingy featured a fair bit that season too. Highlights below - good waste (I mean use) of 2 hours... "If I could turn back time...."
Number 6 Posted 15 July 2017 Posted 15 July 2017 Kante is a phenomenon, but would be foolish to downplay Drinkwater's contribution. 8 assists that season and a superb link he had with Vardy which constantly kept defenders honest. He's better than James imo but I reckon James could challenge for a first team spot and always had a good understanding alongside Drinkwater himself.
Bazly Posted 15 July 2017 Posted 15 July 2017 MJ never excited me when fit. His distribution always seemed a bit wayward and his shots well wide of goal, usually 5 foot above the bar. I for one won't be sad to see him develop his game at somewhere like Derby.
ROB-THE-BLUE Posted 15 July 2017 Posted 15 July 2017 14 hours ago, sphericalfox said: Winter trade deadline? We're not selling pelts and skins! We sold Pelts to Leeds in 2012. Keep up
Spicer Posted 15 July 2017 Posted 15 July 2017 14 hours ago, HoustonFox said: Don't want him to go but come on folks... Drinky is a way better player - when they both played in the 2013/14 promotion season, Drinky was way better (that's the Drinky I want back by the way, way more mobile and an attacking threat). I do agree that he and James (didn't want to type Drinky again... damnitt) are a good pair but also Kingy featured a fair bit that season too. Highlights below - good waste (I mean use) of 2 hours... The next season James and Cambiasso was our midfield parring and Drinkwater couldn't get into the side much.
HoustonFox Posted 15 July 2017 Posted 15 July 2017 3 hours ago, Spicer said: The next season James and Cambiasso was our midfield parring and Drinkwater couldn't get into the side much. James - 20+7 apps 0 goals Drinkwater - 16+7 0 goals King - 16+8 2 goals Cambiasso - 27+4 5 goals Hammond - 9+3 0 goals Not much between Jamo and Drinky to be honest, so bit of a myth that Jamo played way more games than Drinky. In fact King got as much of a look in. Jamo did feature during most of the great escape (Drinky not so much) until he got injured against Southampton. King was then his choice as replacement. I think most people remember (rightly) those last few games and that Jamo played. Looking at the match reports though, despite featuring in the West Ham and West Brom games (the first couple of the run) he didn't really make an impact in those... http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/leicester-city/2014-15/fixtures-and-results.html?no-amp=1
foxes21 Posted 15 July 2017 Posted 15 July 2017 Derby have had a 2m bid accepted for Huddlestone which should end their interest in James.
mozartfox Posted 15 July 2017 Posted 15 July 2017 Derby can quite frankly go do one. James is far to good for that flock.
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