Is Shakespeare the right man for the job?

[Collymore]

1 minute ago, F1_AN said:

Vardy and Okazaki were scaring the crap out of their defence with pressure. What does he do? Brings into the middle the least combative striker I can remember who didn't challenge a single Liverpool defender and left Vardy out wide and basically shut him out of the game . Bizarre 

To be fair Okazaki can't hack much more than an hour playing at that tempo but I agree the change of formation and replacements were inadequate.

 

I think recruitment should have looked for someone who can press and run like Shinji  and Vardy so we've always got the option of 90 mins hell for leather pressing from the front. 

 

[David Lowe]

1 hour ago, seenitall said:

He should never have taken the job - he could have been second in command here forever and 99% on here would have welcomed that - he stuck his head up and he will lose it...so much naivety yesterday and why buy all these players if none of them are good enough to play? Only Vardy, Ndidi Morgan Simpson should be guaranteed starts this season so far - I think Maguire will get there but Chilwell is nowhere near good enough as a defender, Kasper hasn't got a position correct this season yet and as for the rest, not good enough - Albrighton and Mahrez were passengers yesterday and King is pointless as a player, he never was really good enough over 90 mins and as for Okazaki, he loses the ball twice as much as he wins it but at least tries......we bought two new midfielders - someones head should have rolled for the Silva **** up and Iborra has to be better than King or WTF? Slimani offers us a different dimension up front and Fuchs should always get in ahead of Chilwell, always!!

 

Either Shakey sees something no one else and no stats support in the picking of some of these players and he will go because of it, or he will try to start with Gray, Iborra, Iheanacho, Slimani and at least go down fighting....I think the former sadly and prepare for King in the team for a long run...........at least until Xmas when Shakey sadly gets fired.

99% would like him as number 2? Wrong. Over 50% voted for him to be manager.

[Jimmy]

for all the stick Steve Parrish got he came to the conclusion he'd made a mistake and fixed it, in his opinion, ASAP, problem is with the player power base in place I'm not sure anyone could here if they felt the same 

[kyleolly]

Get big Sam in

[Collymore]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

for all the stick Steve Parrish got he came to the conclusion he'd made a mistake and fixed it, in his opinion, ASAP, problem is with the player power base in place I'm not sure anyone could here if they felt the same 

Who the **** is Steve Parrish?

Edited 24 September 2017 by Collymore

[st albans fox]

Thinking back to pearson's first season and ranieri's, they both had a big moment early on after deciding the team were conceding too many goals

 

nigel made the change after yanited, persisting with the diamond and then all manner of formations, all defensively minded and all resulting in drab narrow defeats. 

 

Claudio changed his full backs with defence again in mind but with Ngolo coming to the fore, we managed to keep forward momentum until the last third of the campaign where we became very 'Italian'. 

 

Shakey needs to make changes to get us the right side of the fine margins - I hope he makes the right call like Claudio and not the wrong one like nige

Edited 24 September 2017 by st albans fox

[Jimmy]

Just now, Collymore said:

Who the **** is Steve Parrish?

Palace chairman

[Bob Hazels shorts]

Its well known that the players respect Shakey as a coach/mate.

 

This worked brilliantly during the promotion season and last season post Claudio. A side of mostly fairly average players playing out of their skin. its still the case now but obviously for numerous reasons that's fading.

 

Assuming he won't take a backward step and any failure we would lose him all together

 

 

[Collymore]

1 minute ago, Jimmy said:

Palace chairman

Parish not Parrish! I got a motorcycle racer when I googled 

[Jimmy]

Just now, Collymore said:

Parish not Parrish! I got a motorcycle racer when I googled 

oh well you know what I meant

[Collymore]

1 minute ago, Jimmy said:

oh well you know what I meant

Well I didn't because I didn't know who Steve Parrish or Steve Parish was so thought you were bringing a motorcyclist into the mix...

[Corky]

The players mostly are playing for him, it's not a lack of effort in the most part, we are being harmed by the selection, set-up and execution of tactics.

 

I don't see a miserable, disaffected team but one that is harming progress by being naive.

[Izzy]

Shakey should lose a few lbs and invest in a decent suit for match days instead of wearing his training ground clobber. 

 

Most of the top Managers wear a suit these days. Could be the difference that makes the difference 

[HankMarvin]

Let's be honest 

 

his been cut a lot of slack

 

the 1-6 at home to Spurs, the results this year, people compare to previous years but this team has had significant investment we are meant to be moving forward not regressing.

 

The team didn't start until 40 plus mins again for the second time in a week,

we expected a repeat of the second half from the get go, but it was more of the same.

 

Why don't they start like it and put teams on the back foot, thus nullifying the likes of countinho etc.

 

1 league win in his last 9 games 

He needs to show rot hasn't set it in his new few games or I think his time is done here, it's a cut throat business and you can't afford to be sentimental if we can't up our game against poorer teams.

[filbertway]

Pretty boring manager with a pretty boring football philosophy. Imagine we'll be alright with him but I don't think he's the type that's going to have us trying to improve.

 

Really hope our next managerial appointment tears up the current play book and tries to get us looking like a team of players that earn millions of pounds a year playing football. (I know we are, but the way we play makes the lads look like conference cloggers).

[Ric Flair]

The problem is, who would our owners and prat of a DOF go for? It relies on a decent manager applying for the job as I've no faith they have a clue. We need a new DOF as well but doubt we'd be ruthlessness enough to get rid of both and make a massive overhaul. We need a dream team who come as a package but we'd get the chuckle brothers.

[ithuriel]

Turned to the bloke next to me yesterday and asked him if he could see what our game plan was.

Danny hoofed it up the wing and at that moment he said, "there, that's the game plan".

It was a good game to watch but we were a bit shambolic in that first half, the opposite to the Chelsea game, where we were shambolic in the second half.

Seems we are only good in patches of games and the substitutions can at times be baffling.

Here's hoping Shakey can get it right before he follows in the footsteps of Claudio.

[Corky]

4 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

The problem is, who would our owners and prat of a DOF go for? It relies on a decent manager applying for the job as I've no faith they have a clue. We need a new DOF as well but doubt we'd be ruthlessness enough to get rid of both and make a massive overhaul. We need a dream team who come as a package but we'd get the chuckle brothers.

No idea. I think we should've made a bid for Marco Silva in June but when you look at the appointments so far, they've had Sven (big name, slightly wide-thinking), Pearson (popular with the players from before), Ranieri (said publicly he wanted the job) and Shakespeare (already at the club). Ranieri was an odder choice but he threw his name into the equation. They went for Shakespeare because he was already in place and they didn't have to think or pay compensation.

 

Getting rid of Shakespeare is one thing but, as ever, you'll only improve with a decent replacement. Will we get one?

[TheUltimateWinner]

58 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

Shakey should lose a few lbs and invest in a decent suit for match days instead of wearing his training ground clobber. 

 

Most of the top Managers wear a suit these days. Could be the difference that makes the difference 

The funny thing is he arrives to the ground in a suit and then changes into his tracksuit for the game  

[RODNEY FERNIO]

As it is a known fact that the players talk to the owners I'd be surprised if ThomasTuchel's name has not been mentioned.

Got Dortmund playing some great football and Shinji would have played for him when at Mainz.

The owners have stated how ambitious they are and an appointment like this would affirm that.

[Raj]

If he can find the formations to enable him to utilise the players at his disposal he may be okay. He brings on Slimani and there are no balls sent him to try and win. He throws inheacho in and doesn't utilise his speed. He needs to sort a midfield who will scare teams. I don't think he has that.

[justfoxes]

32 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

The problem is, who would our owners and prat of a DOF go for? It relies on a decent manager applying for the job as I've no faith they have a clue. We need a new DOF as well but doubt we'd be ruthlessness enough to get rid of both and make a massive overhaul. We need a dream team who come as a package but we'd get the chuckle brothers.

Rafa Benetez ??

[orangecity23]

1 hour ago, HankMarvin said:

Let's be honest 

 

his been cut a lot of slack

 

the 1-6 at home to Spurs, the results this year, people compare to previous years but this team has had significant investment we are meant to be moving forward not regressing.

 

The team didn't start until 40 plus mins again for the second time in a week,

we expected a repeat of the second half from the get go, but it was more of the same.

 

Why don't they start like it and put teams on the back foot, thus nullifying the likes of countinho etc.

 

1 league win in his last 9 games 

He needs to show rot hasn't set it in his new few games or I think his time is done here, it's a cut throat business and you can't afford to be sentimental if we can't up our game against poorer teams.

I win in 9 does look bad. Wonder why you picked 9 games as the sample size? Oh, because if you'd chose 11, then you would have have to include 2 more wins. The 3 games from the end of last season also include a 1-1 draw against Bournemouth where we had a goal that was a foot onside disallowed, and a 2-1 loss away to Man City where Raheem Sterling scored an offside goal that was incorrectly given, and Bobby Madley managed to cleverly see a double hit penalty whilst completely not seeing any encroachment into the box by defenders before the ball was hit. If the officials had done their jobs properly, we could have won both of those matches. Can we not forget that we played all 3 of those games with a central defence of Benolouane and Fuchs, as Rudkin's botched recruitment meant we had completely run out of centre backs as well? A theme that is being repeated this season as well, as we are down to our last few central midfielders AGAIN, for the second season in a row.

 

We did try and start yesterday's game by attacking, we had the first real chance when Vardy got in behind, and Mahrez volleyed over on the rebound. Liverpool were trying their best to force us back as well, we weren't passively retreating into our own box, we were forced back by good attacking play and individual defensive mistakes. Despite how "defensive" our first half was, we still scored a goal, had another disallowed, and had 2 more chances for Okazaki (the botched Mignolet clearance and the header), plus the Vardy/Mahrez chance.

 

Here are the whole of last season's Shakey results. The guy didn't just have a "new manager bounce", he had the best run of form by a new English prem manager ever, figures that weren't far off the likes of Guardiola. He got thrashed in 1 match by Spurs, in which we were fielding a makeshift central defence and midfield due to injuries, and the thrashing was largely down to sacrificing one of his 3 centre backs to try and mount a comeback by bringing Gray on (incidentally, the kind of change that all the Armchair managers on here were saying was a massive mistake when he didn't make it in the Atletico Madrid game). The form tailed off a bit during the crowded period when we had the Champions League tie to prepare for, when we rested players to give ourselves a good chance, which again, which is what most people wanted at the time. Still, should have beaten Palace, which we would have done if Benteke's foul on Benny had been spotted on the equaliser. Other that that, he beat all the teams you would expect to beat, and only lost narrowly to the big teams (Spurs excepted). That has carried on to this season, we haven't been humiliated at all, and were not far away from getting something from all the big teams we have faced. Our performance against Huddersfield was poor, but we are the only team to score against them at home (and along with the Hammers, the only teams to score against them at all), and we still took a point away, and if Vardy had got that open goal, could have had all 3.

 

26. Round	27/02/2017	20:00	H		Liverpool FC	3:1 (2:0)
27. Round	04/03/2017	15:00	H		Hull City	3:1 (1:1)
29. Round	18/03/2017	15:00	A		West Ham United	3:2 (3:1)
30. Round	01/04/2017	15:00	H		Stoke City	2:0 (1:0)
31. Round	04/04/2017	19:45	H		Sunderland AFC	2:0 (0:0)
32. Round	09/04/2017	16:00	A		Everton FC	2:4 (2:3)
33. Round	15/04/2017	15:00	A		Crystal Palace	2:2 (1:0)
28. Round	26/04/2017	19:45	A		Arsenal FC	0:1 (0:0)
35. Round	29/04/2017	15:00	A		West Bromwich Albion	1:0 (1:0)
36. Round	06/05/2017	15:00	H		Watford FC	3:0 (1:0)
37. Round	13/05/2017	12:30	A		Manchester City	1:2 (1:2)
34. Round	18/05/2017	19:45	H		Tottenham Hotspur	1:6 (0:2)
38. Round	21/05/2017	15:00	H		AFC Bournemouth	1:1 (0:1)

[Col city fan]

2 hours ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

Shakey should lose a few lbs and invest in a decent suit for match days instead of wearing his training ground clobber. 

 

Most of the top Managers wear a suit these days. Could be the difference that makes the difference 

I do have to be honest. I think Shakey looks like a fat slob

 

[HankMarvin]

1 minute ago, orangecity23 said:

I win in 9 does look bad. Wonder why you picked 9 games as the sample size? Oh, because if you'd chose 11, then you would have have to include 2 more wins. The 3 games from the end of last season also include a 1-1 draw against Bournemouth where we had a goal that was a foot onside disallowed, and a 2-1 loss away to Man City where Raheem Sterling scored an offside goal that was incorrectly given, and Bobby Madley managed to cleverly see a double hit penalty whilst completely not seeing any encroachment into the box by defenders before the ball was hit. If the officials had done their jobs properly, we could have won both of those matches. Can we not forget that we played all 3 of those games with a central defence of Benolouane and Fuchs, as Rudkin's botched recruitment meant we had completely run out of centre backs as well? A theme that is being repeated this season as well, as we are down to our last few central midfielders AGAIN, for the second season in a row.

 

We did try and start yesterday's game by attacking, we had the first real chance when Vardy got in behind, and Mahrez volleyed over on the rebound. Liverpool were trying their best to force us back as well, we weren't passively retreating into our own box, we were forced back by good attacking play and individual defensive mistakes. Despite how "defensive" our first half was, we still scored a goal, had another disallowed, and had 2 more chances for Okazaki (the botched Mignolet clearance and the header), plus the Vardy/Mahrez chance.

 

Here are the whole of last season's Shakey results. The guy didn't just have a "new manager bounce", he had the best run of form by a new English prem manager ever, figures that weren't far off the likes of Guardiola. He got thrashed in 1 match by Spurs, in which we were fielding a makeshift central defence and midfield due to injuries, and the thrashing was largely down to sacrificing one of his 3 centre backs to try and mount a comeback by bringing Gray on (incidentally, the kind of change that all the Armchair managers on here were saying was a massive mistake when he didn't make it in the Atletico Madrid game). The form tailed off a bit during the crowded period when we had the Champions League tie to prepare for, when we rested players to give ourselves a good chance, which again, which is what most people wanted at the time. Still, should have beaten Palace, which we would have done if Benteke's foul on Benny had been spotted on the equaliser. Other that that, he beat all the teams you would expect to beat, and only lost narrowly to the big teams (Spurs excepted). That has carried on to this season, we haven't been humiliated at all, and were not far away from getting something from all the big teams we have faced. Our performance against Huddersfield was poor, but we are the only team to score against them at home (and along with the Hammers, the only teams to score against them at all), and we still took a point away, and if Vardy had got that open goal, could have had all 3.

 

26. Round	27/02/2017	20:00	H		Liverpool FC	3:1 (2:0)
27. Round	04/03/2017	15:00	H		Hull City	3:1 (1:1)
29. Round	18/03/2017	15:00	A		West Ham United	3:2 (3:1)
30. Round	01/04/2017	15:00	H		Stoke City	2:0 (1:0)
31. Round	04/04/2017	19:45	H		Sunderland AFC	2:0 (0:0)
32. Round	09/04/2017	16:00	A		Everton FC	2:4 (2:3)
33. Round	15/04/2017	15:00	A		Crystal Palace	2:2 (1:0)
28. Round	26/04/2017	19:45	A		Arsenal FC	0:1 (0:0)
35. Round	29/04/2017	15:00	A		West Bromwich Albion	1:0 (1:0)
36. Round	06/05/2017	15:00	H		Watford FC	3:0 (1:0)
37. Round	13/05/2017	12:30	A		Manchester City	1:2 (1:2)
34. Round	18/05/2017	19:45	H		Tottenham Hotspur	1:6 (0:2)
38. Round	21/05/2017	15:00	H		AFC Bournemouth	1:1 (0:1)

If it wasn't the  "new manager bounce" why hasn't his managerial ability got more wins since???

 

Lots of ifs and buts each game, but im sure every manager could say that every game...

 

3 wins in 14 since the bubble burst, and the players got used to CS as manager