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Adrien Silva - Terms Agreed

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Got this one entirely wrong after saying he definitely won't sign so apologies for that, most of my other info has been spot on.

 

the Drinky situation changed that as we weren't planning on selling - sporting needed to sell to balance books after Carvalho didn't leave.

 

as for saying he didn't want to come here, he was quoted as saying he didn't want to leave in the Portuguese press, which as Drinky demonstrates doesn't always mean that!

 

very confident we'll get international clearance though

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Surely FIFA of all people are in no position to be questioning the legitimacy of transactions, especially over something as minor as a bit of late paperwork.

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Another portuguese newspaper reporting Adrien is a Leicester City player:

 

FIFA STARTS TODAY TO ANALYZE CASE ADRIEN
Midfielder does not return to Alvalade regardless of the decision

 

FIFA will begin today the analysis of the Adrien case, deciding whether or not the player's Premier League entry is valid. As our paper has advanced in a timely manner, the governing body of international football already has all the necessary opinions for the analysis of this dossier, including several positive evaluations of English lawyers, specialists in sports law.
The expectation of the three parties involved (Adrien, Sporting and Leicester) is that FIFA corroborate the decision taken by the English Federation: despite the delay of seconds in sending all documents to the international transfer system, the registration of the 28yo midfielder in the Premier League is fully valid.
However, whatever the decision of FIFA, the former Lion's captain will not return to Alvalade. Adrien will be back in Lisbon tomorrow, but he is likely to travel to England right away so he can start preparing for the future in Leicester.

 

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Other portuguese news media are reporting the same.

Adrien will be back to Lisbon but then he goes to England.

 

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5 minutes ago, BlueBrett said:

Surely FIFA of all people are in no position to be questioning the legitimacy of transactions, especially over something as minor as a bit of late paperwork.

They are and they have before, they view one minute and 6 hours as the same thing... late is late. If we're talking seconds then I'm pretty sure an appeal would rule it ok though.

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It would be a disgrace for it not to go through if it was a few minutes delayed. Not because of the clubs but because the player shouldn't be left in limbo, his career shouldn't be put on hold because someone has decided to apply the letter of the law.

 

Fair enough if it's an hour or so but if everything was agreed in principle within the correct time that should be enough. A bit like speeding in a 30mph zone when you don't get prosecuted for 35mph or less but technically you've still broke the law but it's considered within acceptable limits.

 

 

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Just now, Gerard said:

It would be a disgrace for it not to go through if it was a few minutes delayed. Not because of the clubs but because the player shouldn't be left in limbo, his career shouldn't be put on hold because someone has decided to apply the letter of the law.

 

Fair enough if it's an hour or so but if everything was agreed in principle within the correct time that should be enough. A bit like speeding in a 30mph zone when you don't get prosecuted for 35mph or less but technically you've still broke the law but it's considered within acceptable limits.

 

 

Well yeh especially when we notified them before 11 that there was a hold up. That has to count as mitigation surely. 

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7 minutes ago, Gerard said:

It would be a disgrace for it not to go through if it was a few minutes delayed. Not because of the clubs but because the player shouldn't be left in limbo, his career shouldn't be put on hold because someone has decided to apply the letter of the law.

 

Fair enough if it's an hour or so but if everything was agreed in principle within the correct time that should be enough. A bit like speeding in a 30mph zone when you don't get prosecuted for 35mph or less but technically you've still broke the law but it's considered within acceptable limits.

 

 

It will be absolutely gutting if this hasn't gone through ok. :(

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I've e-mailed them to ask what the f's going on, hopefully they'll reply soon

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5 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Well they could point to the fact they already gave us an extra two hours.

 

 

hmm.

 

I know so little about all this. What jurisdiction to FIFA even have? I mean if the deal is cleared by the EPL and Portuguese league and the word is that he will be our player whatever happens it's just an issue of whether of not he's cleared to play, what would happen if we just went ahead and played him whatever they say? Can they force the premier league to sanction us with points deductions or something? I wouldn't have thought so really but maybe i suppose.

 

All these overlapping, interlinking but apparently autonomous football administration bodies put me in mind of the circles of hell :nono:

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Just now, mozartfox said:

How could we mange to cock this up?

Pretty simple, it was left until very late on deadline day.

Probably partly down to a deal not being agreed with Chelsea until deadline day, then having to strike a deal with Sporting, who reportedly upped the price very late in negotiations and then having to deal with all sorts of time-consuming bureaucratic devices.

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2 minutes ago, BlueBrett said:

hmm.

 

I know so little about all this. What jurisdiction to FIFA even have? I mean if the deal is cleared by the EPL and Portuguese league and the word is that he will be our player whatever happens it's just an issue of whether of not he's cleared to play, what would happen if we just went ahead and played him whatever they say? Can they force the premier league to sanction us with points deductions or something? I wouldn't have thought so really but maybe i suppose.

 

All these overlapping, interlinking but apparently autonomous football administration bodies put me in mind of the circles of hell :nono:

They have THE final say on international transfers, your need a certificate to play him. Without it you are fielding an illegible player and the usual punishments would apply.

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2 minutes ago, mozartfox said:

How could we mange to cock this up?

Just ran out of time, it's not much time to be agreeing contracts with a player but also the other club. Disappointing thing is letting DD go without knowing for sure. Sounds like we're talking seconds rather than minutes. Your broadband going slow for a minute could affect it.

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Two points.

 

If FIFA reject the transfer and leave Silva in limbo - neither able to play for us or Porto, and therefore for nobody - couldn't that face a legal challenge on the basis of  "restraint of trade" sort of thing with regard to Silva's personal position?

 

If it's rejected and Silva's registration is still viewed as with Porto, can't they agree to cancel his contract? That would make him a free agent and therefore eligible to be engaged by us.

 

Think I'm clutching at straws!

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2 minutes ago, deep blue said:

Two points.

 

If FIFA reject the transfer and leave Silva in limbo - neither able to play for us or Porto, and therefore for nobody - couldn't that face a legal challenge on the basis of  "restraint of trade" sort of thing with regard to Silva's personal position?

 

If it's rejected and Silva's registration is still viewed as with Porto, can't they agree to cancel his contract? That would make him a free agent and therefore eligible to be engaged by us.

 

Think I'm clutching at straws!

Porto? Didn't realise they were trying to sign him too?!

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2 minutes ago, deep blue said:

Two points.

 

If FIFA reject the transfer and leave Silva in limbo - neither able to play for us or Porto, and therefore for nobody - couldn't that face a legal challenge on the basis of  "restraint of trade" sort of thing with regard to Silva's personal position?

 

If it's rejected and Silva's registration is still viewed as with Porto, can't they agree to cancel his contract? That would make him a free agent and therefore eligible to be engaged by us.

 

Think I'm clutching at straws!

Both good points. I like the second one which seems extremely sensible.

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