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Leicester City submit appeal to Fifa in bid to complete £25m Adrien Silva signing

By davieG, in Leicester City Forum

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les-tah

les-tah

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8 minutes ago, SaffronDom said:

I feel extremely sad for Adrien to be honest, this season is one where they try and cement their place in the international squad ahead of next years World Cup. Can imagine him not being included due to lack of game time if this mess isn't sorted out before Christmas. Everyone involved in this wants Silva to be a City player... Apart from FIFA it seems lol.

just like inler :(

Lovejoy

Lovejoy

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11 minutes ago, SaffronDom said:

I feel extremely sad for Adrien to be honest, this season is one where they try and cement their place in the international squad ahead of next years World Cup. Can imagine him not being included due to lack of game time if this mess isn't sorted out before Christmas. Everyone involved in this wants Silva to be a City player... Apart from FIFA it seems lol.

Shakey will then probably decide he needs three months to get match fit and we won't see the poor lad until March :ph34r:. Andy King meanwhile will be loving life.

Snik-Snok

Snik-Snok

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1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

You are probably correct on this in that if the deal isn't completed re the registration then it should be deemed as incomplete and declared null and void. Problem here is that SCP want their money and we want the player. 

 

FIFA are caught up in something they don't want to be and their rules are their rules. Unless we can show that the issue is with our FA, the Portuguese FA or FIFA I cannot see why they would make an exception - the players welfare is fundamentally down to his employer which is either SCP or lcfc. 

The problem with ruling the transfer void is that FIFA didn't confirm their rejection of the registration until several days after the transfer window closed (presumably after taking several days to investigate the circumstances), by which point the deadline for Sporting to submit their squad lists (League and Champions League) had passed.  Therefore if the transfer had been ruled void at that time, or anytime since, he wouldn't be able to play for Sporting either.  The fact that FIFA didn't rule on this until after the squad lists had to be submitted may be something that we could use in our favour when arguing our case.

 

If the documents for the transfer were in on time, and the only thing that was late was the request within the system which initiates the international transfer clearance request, then that suggests that 2 independent processes (the transfer and the international clearance) both have the same deadline.  What FIFA don't seem to cater for is when the deadline is met for the transfer, but not for the clearance.  Is there any case where this has happened before?  Silva has essentially fallen through a gap in the logic within the TMS system, and therefore if it's a flaw in their website design then surely FIFA should recognise this and show some leniancy.  

 

Surely their system should immediately block the transfer, i.e. completely void it, if anything is late.  If it allows a transfer to proceed up to a stage where there's no going back (as it appears has happened with Silva), then it should subsequently allow all other parts of the process to be completed, without any deadlines.

brucey

brucey

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why are people hoping the transfer will be voided if it doesn't get through? I'd much rather have Silva in Jan, than 22m and no player..

desertfox2

desertfox2

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36 minutes ago, Snik-Snok said:

The problem with ruling the transfer void is that FIFA didn't confirm their rejection of the registration until several days after the transfer window closed (presumably after taking several days to investigate the circumstances), by which point the deadline for Sporting to submit their squad lists (League and Champions League) had passed.  Therefore if the transfer had been ruled void at that time, or anytime since, he wouldn't be able to play for Sporting either.  The fact that FIFA didn't rule on this until after the squad lists had to be submitted may be something that we could use in our favour when arguing our case.

 

If the documents for the transfer were in on time, and the only thing that was late was the request within the system which initiates the international transfer clearance request, then that suggests that 2 independent processes (the transfer and the international clearance) both have the same deadline.  What FIFA don't seem to cater for is when the deadline is met for the transfer, but not for the clearance.  Is there any case where this has happened before?  Silva has essentially fallen through a gap in the logic within the TMS system, and therefore if it's a flaw in their website design then surely FIFA should recognise this and show some leniancy.  

 

Surely their system should immediately block the transfer, i.e. completely void it, if anything is late.  If it allows a transfer to proceed up to a stage where there's no going back (as it appears has happened with Silva), then it should subsequently allow all other parts of the process to be completed, without any deadlines.

All valid points.

 

It has happened before and was eventually approved by FIFA on appeal https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/manchester-city-transfer-news-fifa-clear-path-for-celtic-to-sign-john-guidetti-9712453.html 

 

John Guidetti to Celtic. So there is precedent. And it only took a few days... 

 

A lot of similarities to our deal https://www.google.ae/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/sport/football/507104/FIFA-give-Celtic-John-Guidetti-green-light-after-SFA-appeal/amp

FoxinNotts

FoxinNotts

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29 minutes ago, brucey said:

why are people hoping the transfer will be voided if it doesn't get through? I'd much rather have Silva in Jan, than 22m and no player..

Abso fooking lutley! Who doesn't want him? Idiots

weller54

weller54

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57 minutes ago, brucey said:

why are people hoping the transfer will be voided if it doesn't get through? I'd much rather have Silva in Jan, than 22m and no player..

Hope he's up for a relegation scrap! 

HoustonFox

HoustonFox

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47 minutes ago, desertfox2 said:

All valid points.

 

It has happened before and was eventually approved by FIFA on appeal https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/manchester-city-transfer-news-fifa-clear-path-for-celtic-to-sign-john-guidetti-9712453.html 

 

John Guidetti to Celtic. So there is precedent. And it only took a few days... 

 

A lot of similarities to our deal https://www.google.ae/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/sport/football/507104/FIFA-give-Celtic-John-Guidetti-green-light-after-SFA-appeal/amp

It was a different FIFA in those days, they were overtly corrupt so at least you knew where you stood.  I worry this is them making a statement that rules are rules and they are enforcing them to the letter. 

 

Saying that, I hope we are preparing some sort of case where we can sure the s*** out of them as soon as they bend the rules from someone else in the January window 

SheppyFox

SheppyFox

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19 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Can't someone just make up some news which looks positive and pretend it's ITK ??

 

keep us going for another few days !!

 

Lawyers and other people have confirmed to me the appeal will be announced successful, tomorrow morning. 

FoxinNotts

FoxinNotts

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30 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Can't someone just make up some news which looks positive and pretend it's ITK ??

 

keep us going for another few days !!

 

I'm opting out of my company car scheme. I'm going to take the money instead.

Snik-Snok

Snik-Snok

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1 hour ago, brucey said:

why are people hoping the transfer will be voided if it doesn't get through? I'd much rather have Silva in Jan, than 22m and no player..

I don't think anyone's said they want the transfer ruled as void.  I would absolutely prefer him to be in limbo until January rather than not joining at all.

 

I've discussed it because in most cases, if all the admin processes that make up a transfer aren't completed then the transfer itself isn't complete and the player remains at his original club. So why wasn't that the case with Silva?

 

We seem to be in a unique situation where at least one part of the admin process of the transfer wasn't completed and yet he has essentially been transferred, but he's not been allowed to be registered.  

 

I still can't understand why a) this transfer differs from others in that despite missing the deadline he didn't immediately default to being a Sporting player and b) FIFA's system allows a transfer to proceed to a point where the transfer is complete beyond the point of no return, but is still able to block a player's registration.

norwichfox

norwichfox

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43 minutes ago, SheppyFox said:

Lawyers and other people have confirmed to me the appeal will be announced successful, tomorrow morning. 

I'm so pleased to hear this....it should keep me going for at least a few more days.....:rolleyes:

mozartfox

mozartfox

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1 hour ago, SheppyFox said:

Lawyers and other people have confirmed to me the appeal will be announced successful, tomorrow morning. 

You are the only person on FT that I trust........... so tomorrow it is.    If you are wrong about this Sheps - your next post on here will get a resounding 'Sounds like bollocks' from me.

dedlock

dedlock

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1 hour ago, SheppyFox said:

Lawyers and other people have confirmed to me the appeal will be announced successful, tomorrow morning. 

I hope you are right. Fingers crossed !

Fox 4 Life

Fox 4 Life

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He is in our PL squad and is not in Sportings league or champs league squad so any talk of him of him going back there is out of the question. It's a complete ****ing mess but one of 2 things will happen, his registration will approved by FIFA now through appeal or it will be approved on 1st January.

Bunyip

Bunyip

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9 minutes ago, Fox 4 Life said:

He is in our PL squad and is not in Sportings league or champs league squad so any talk of him of him going back there is out of the question. It's a complete ****ing mess but one of 2 things will happen, his registration will approved by FIFA now through appeal or it will be approved on 1st January.

I approve of one if not two of your hedging bet things.

 

bald reynard

bald reynard

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14 minutes ago, chapero82 said:

They also said it had been done lol 

 

13 minutes ago, tomtom said:

The same Mirror that 2 weeks ago said the transfer had been given the green light by FIFA??

Perhaps the Mirror knew, even before SheppyFox !

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