Leicester City submit appeal to Fifa in bid to complete £25m Adrien Silva signing

[Daggers]

7 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

The club haven't been sat on their arses like some of the know-it-all pessimists that flood these threads.

 

They've taken 'ages' because they want to make sure their appeal is properly done and has the best chance of approval. 

? 

 

No, seriously, ?.

 

 

[Phube]

Surely we're hanging our hats on the 'submitted' part of the FIFA rules and hoping we can proceed we submitted on time, or at least started to submit on time?

[Vindaloo FOX]

not another bloody thread, i am sick of this Silva bloke. 

[yorkie1999]

1 hour ago, harpendenfox said:

If he has been our top target for two years why the hell mess about in the transfer window and leave it so late? We knew Drinky wanted out. Why the hell wait so long? Such poor business practice.

Maybe we needed the drinkwater money to be able to afford him. I know we earn’t a lot of money but I bet the taxman had a fair chunk on top of what we’ve shelled out.

[vanity]

5 hours ago, Matt said:

I agree with you to a certain extent but a deadlines a deadline, there has to be a line even if it was only 14 seconds over, it was the cut off, we missed it, we put ourselves in this position.

 

To add to that it's took us 4 weeks to lodge an appeal.

 

As I said I don't claim to know the in and outs and i'm sure there is lots I don't understand but it's frustrating and quite frankly a joke how badly and slowly we do our dealings.

We did not necessarily miss the deadline. We know it was received after the deadline, but when it is received is not the test for timeliness. The FIFA rules make clear it must be *submitted* prior to the deadline. 

[vanity]

5 hours ago, oxford blue said:

I find the suggestion that we have been 'consulting lawyers' for over 3 weeks difficult to understand.  Legal firms are used to dealing with tight deadlines - it's evident whoever has been consulted cannot have been instructed to treat as urgent. The only explanation I can think of is that advice is there no chance of winning an appeal, but that would not make sense from messages coming from City. I wish Rudkin et al would be prepared to provide answers...before 1 January

Could be the opposite -- if we have solid evidence suggesting we either submitted timely or the delay was beyond our power to control, I can see taking the time to try to use informal channels to sway FIFA, especially if we had a sympathetic contact there. 

[VLC86]

3 hours ago, Vindaloo FOX said:

not another bloody thread, i am sick of this Silva bloke. 

King king Andy Andy King.... still sick of Silva?

[katieakita]

There is something called FFP which we are supposed to comply with, something that is supposed to be overseen by the authorities who are looking into the appeal and there are strict rules and guidelines which apply to all clubs except Man City and PSG. It was a very strange transfer window, Barcelona lost a top player they did not want to lose and could not get the player they wanted as a replacement and with the best will in the world are a little bit above our standing in world football. Plenty on here seem happier to knock and criticise the club rather than support and back the club. Plenty moan about the lose of Steve Walsh Snr yet this is a player we wanted but could not entice here during his time at the club. We did spend heavily in the window and would have been planning for the loss of an Algerian winger who the majority thought had played his last game for Leicester.  When this goes through it will a great deal for the club selling a player recovering from an injury and not fully fit who wanted to move on and bringing in a player who wants to be here and has shown enough quality to suggest he is a v good player certainly one Mr Walsh Snr rated. The were clearly  a number of factors that did not fall into place smoothly for this transfer maybe it was totally our fault or maybe a mixture of issues with Sporting who appear to be  not the easiest club to deal with, the FA or with FIFA neither of which appear to be as professional  as the image they want to portray. 

 

Legal things can and do take time just the nature of them, FIFA needs to be seen to being in control and in charge and a penalty needs to be seen to have taken place, at the earliest it looks like he will have been unavailable for a month if the appeal is successful this week. Reality is he probably has not missed much football as he has not been fully fit or so we were lead to believe and I know it is hard for some to take on here but the owners get decisions with the club right far more than they get wrong. Sure if you get to chat with any Derby,Forest,Cov or County fans going about your life they will probably acknowledge our Club and owners are a little more preferable to what they have going on at the moment. So why don't we just hope for the best, get Silva in and sorted get a few players fit so the management can pick their preferred team and formation and then we can start hurling criticism when we do not win every game

[volpeazzurro]

The fact is that nobody on here understands fully the complexities of either transfers or court appeals. From personal experience in some case the latter can take months not weeks.

 

In our logic it may seem obvious to complete a deal a month , week or day before a deadline yet I think those in the know would just sit back and laugh and say if only it was that easy. The selling club, sometimes reluctant to sell will always want to get their last bit of coin out of the deal, particularly if there's another interested party,  real or staged to wave in the buyers face. Likewise, the buyer doesn't want to pay over the odds. Then there's the underhand dealings. I heard Harry Rednappp on the radio last week talking of a so called longstanding done deal for a player from Torino for Birmingham, only for Torino minutes before the deadline to demand extra money and the deal didn't therefore go through. Their supporters will perhaps have assumed like us that their negotiating team are crap or there's been a lack of ambition to sign new players.

 

As for appeals in any court, you can't always apply logic to process and progress. We've heard the magic words '14 seconds late' and have  just assumed it's as simple as Rudkin not pressing a button on a machine quick enough! I doubt it very much. Some people have just assumed incompetence because it suits to do so. The club will only have one shot at an appeal and it will need to be evidenced correctly on legitimate grounds within a set procedure.  Imagine if you know that for example you completed the deal your end in plenty of time but through either a technical problem the other end or even a malefficiency in FIFA'S own system, the procedure broke down? It's one thing knowing but another proving it which will require witnesses or technical evidence from relevant experts in their field. 

 

The simple fact is nobody has a clue what's happened and why and mere gossip and guesswork is being applied. The club managed to successfully complete a number of other deals efficiently so there was obviously something quite different about this one. Let's face it, the selling club were playing silly arses about this one last year. Etiquette and potential future dealings dictate that our club are not going to start any mudslinging. There again,  there may have been technical issues. Who knows. 

[Mike Oxlong]

7 hours ago, Bert said:

Obviously seeing if the grounds of the appeal would be sufficient. They'd not go with the appeal if they didn't think it had legs. Shit hot lawyers on the case. 

Hopefully this firm

 

[Mike Oxlong]

And not this one 

 

[mozartfox]

50 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

The fact is that nobody on here understands fully the complexities of either transfers or court appeals. From personal experience in some case the latter can take months not weeks.

 

In our logic it may seem obvious to complete a deal a month , week or day before a deadline yet I think those in the know would just sit back and laugh and say if only it was that easy. The selling club, sometimes reluctant to sell will always want to get their last bit of coin out of the deal, particularly if there's another interested party,  real or staged to wave in the buyers face. Likewise, the buyer doesn't want to pay over the odds. Then there's the underhand dealings. I heard Harry Rednappp on the radio last week talking of a so called longstanding done deal for a player from Torino for Birmingham, only for Torino minutes before the deadline to demand extra money and the deal didn't therefore go through. Their supporters will perhaps have assumed like us that their negotiating team are crap or there's been a lack of ambition to sign new players.

 

As for appeals in any court, you can't always apply logic to process and progress. We've heard the magic words '14 seconds late' and have  just assumed it's as simple as Rudkin not pressing a button on a machine quick enough! I doubt it very much. Some people have just assumed incompetence because it suits to do so. The club will only have one shot at an appeal and it will need to be evidenced correctly on legitimate grounds within a set procedure.  Imagine if you know that for example you completed the deal your end in plenty of time but through either a technical problem the other end or even a malefficiency in FIFA'S own system, the procedure broke down? It's one thing knowing but another proving it which will require witnesses or technical evidence from relevant experts in their field. 

 

The simple fact is nobody has a clue what's happened and why and mere gossip and guesswork is being applied. The club managed to successfully complete a number of other deals efficiently so there was obviously something quite different about this one. Let's face it, the selling club were playing silly arses about this one last year. Etiquette and potential future dealings dictate that our club are not going to start any mudslinging. There again,  there may have been technical issues. Who knows. 

We are talking about a 'football' issue here not a criminal dispute. The FA turn around decisions/appeals in days over belated red-card incidents.   Someone at the Club has screwed up- fact.  And the reason we do not understand anything is because the Club have made no statements!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[st albans fox]

32 minutes ago, mozartfox said:

We are talking about a 'football' issue here not a criminal dispute. The FA turn around decisions/appeals in days over belated red-card incidents.   Someone at the Club has screwed up- fact.  And the reason we do not understand anything is because the Club have made no statements!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At the moment we are mushrooms. If the appeal is rejected, I don't believe it is unreasonable for the journos out there to demand transparency on this whole thing (from FIFA and us) and then perhaps we will see what has actually happened. however, I don't believe the journos that follow lcfc have the balls to challenge the club sufficiently for fear they may suffer a 'Pearson/stringer' type situation which would hardly be productive for their career. 

[Ric Flair]

7 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

Maybe we needed the drinkwater money to be able to afford him. I know we earn’t a lot of money but I bet the taxman had a fair chunk on top of what we’ve shelled out.

If that was the case we wouldn't have put a £15 million bid in for Calum Chambers on deadline day.

[FrankieADZ]

22 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

At the moment we are mushrooms. If the appeal is rejected, I don't believe it is unreasonable for the journos out there to demand transparency on this whole thing (from FIFA and us) and then perhaps we will see what has actually happened. however, I don't believe the journos that follow lcfc have the balls to challenge the club sufficiently for fear they may suffer a 'Pearson/stringer' type situation which would hardly be productive for their career. 

in the dark and feed bull*&^%

 

also you cant compare an appeal in a court to an appeal or anything at FIFA, 

[Leeds Fox]

2 hours ago, katieakita said:

There is something called FFP which we are supposed to comply with, something that is supposed to be overseen by the authorities who are looking into the appeal and there are strict rules and guidelines which apply to all clubs except Man City and PSG. It was a very strange transfer window, Barcelona lost a top player they did not want to lose and could not get the player they wanted as a replacement and with the best will in the world are a little bit above our standing in world football. Plenty on here seem happier to knock and criticise the club rather than support and back the club. Plenty moan about the lose of Steve Walsh Snr yet this is a player we wanted but could not entice here during his time at the club. We did spend heavily in the window and would have been planning for the loss of an Algerian winger who the majority thought had played his last game for Leicester.  When this goes through it will a great deal for the club selling a player recovering from an injury and not fully fit who wanted to move on and bringing in a player who wants to be here and has shown enough quality to suggest he is a v good player certainly one Mr Walsh Snr rated. The were clearly  a number of factors that did not fall into place smoothly for this transfer maybe it was totally our fault or maybe a mixture of issues with Sporting who appear to be  not the easiest club to deal with, the FA or with FIFA neither of which appear to be as professional  as the image they want to portray. 

 

Legal things can and do take time just the nature of them, FIFA needs to be seen to being in control and in charge and a penalty needs to be seen to have taken place, at the earliest it looks like he will have been unavailable for a month if the appeal is successful this week. Reality is he probably has not missed much football as he has not been fully fit or so we were lead to believe and I know it is hard for some to take on here but the owners get decisions with the club right far more than they get wrong. Sure if you get to chat with any Derby,Forest,Cov or County fans going about your life they will probably acknowledge our Club and owners are a little more preferable to what they have going on at the moment. So why don't we just hope for the best, get Silva in and sorted get a few players fit so the management can pick their preferred team and formation and then we can start hurling criticism when we do not win every game

 

I'm not sure who your post was aimed at but it has an extremely patronising tone.

 

FFP has no bearing on the current situation and isn't being looked into by the authorities.

 

How does Barca losing Neymar and not signing a replacement relate to us? This doesn't make the transfer window a 'strange' one. Premier League clubs don't need to roll over so easily now, maybe a power shift is occurring. 

 

This isn't a 'great deal' for the club. Adrien Silva will most likely do well for us, but it's been a massive balls up. He's almost certainly going to miss a quarter of the season, most likely half of it. He was on Portugals bench recently so I don't think he would have missed much football for us. 

 

Comparing ourselves to Forest, Derby, Cov shouldn't make it excusable to make the mistakes we've made. This isn't the first time we've made a mess of a transfer window in recent years. 

[Finnegan]

Hopefully FIFA are going to get Litt the hell up. 

[HighPeakFox]

1 hour ago, mozartfox said:

   Someone at the Club has screwed up- fact.  

We don't have many facts to speculate upon - fact.

[somebum]

10 hours ago, mozartfox said:

Given his registration has been accepted by the FA, how is he a free Agent? Mind you, if the transfer contract was drawn up by LCFC, then anything is possible.....

Apparently they believe he has fallen through a black hole, FIFAs decision will basically protect player first .. 

[urban.spaceman]

[gerrytaggart]

12 hours ago, oxford blue said:

I find the suggestion that we have been 'consulting lawyers' for over 3 weeks difficult to understand.  Legal firms are used to dealing with tight deadlines - it's evident whoever has been consulted cannot have been instructed to treat as urgent. The only explanation I can think of is that advice is there no chance of winning an appeal, but that would not make sense from messages coming from City. I wish Rudkin et al would be prepared to provide answers...before 1 January

You find it difficult to understand how a lawyer paid by the hour has managed to drag out negotiations for over 3 weeks???

[dpjfox]

Surely we have unearthed some good evidence to warrant an appeal (where failure will result in more embarrassment) My prediction- we will recieve official stamp confirming he is now a Leicester player, he will be allowed to train butnot play in competative matches until January, we will lodge another appeal and wow its January!!

[weller54]

3 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

The fact is that nobody on here understands fully the complexities of either transfers or court appeals. From personal experience in some case the latter can take months not weeks.

 

In our logic it may seem obvious to complete a deal a month , week or day before a deadline yet I think those in the know would just sit back and laugh and say if only it was that easy. The selling club, sometimes reluctant to sell will always want to get their last bit of coin out of the deal, particularly if there's another interested party,  real or staged to wave in the buyers face. Likewise, the buyer doesn't want to pay over the odds. Then there's the underhand dealings. I heard Harry Rednappp on the radio last week talking of a so called longstanding done deal for a player from Torino for Birmingham, only for Torino minutes before the deadline to demand extra money and the deal didn't therefore go through. Their supporters will perhaps have assumed like us that their negotiating team are crap or there's been a lack of ambition to sign new players.

 

As for appeals in any court, you can't always apply logic to process and progress. We've heard the magic words '14 seconds late' and have  just assumed it's as simple as Rudkin not pressing a button on a machine quick enough! I doubt it very much. Some people have just assumed incompetence because it suits to do so. The club will only have one shot at an appeal and it will need to be evidenced correctly on legitimate grounds within a set procedure.  Imagine if you know that for example you completed the deal your end in plenty of time but through either a technical problem the other end or even a malefficiency in FIFA'S own system, the procedure broke down? It's one thing knowing but another proving it which will require witnesses or technical evidence from relevant experts in their field. 

 

The simple fact is nobody has a clue what's happened and why and mere gossip and guesswork is being applied. The club managed to successfully complete a number of other deals efficiently so there was obviously something quite different about this one. Let's face it, the selling club were playing silly arses about this one last year. Etiquette and potential future dealings dictate that our club are not going to start any mudslinging. There again,  there may have been technical issues. Who knows. 

In short then.. 

We're f**ked! 

[Kitchandro]

10 hours ago, lgfualol said:

He'll get my vote if he comes in and gets higher than a 60% pass completion rate.

 

Hopefully we are not dead and buried by Jan.

 Careful now, pass completion rates didn't win us the title.

 

If his passing isn't positive and creative I'm not bothered. 

[lgfualol]

6 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

 Careful now, pass completion rates didn't win us the title.

 

If his passing isn't positive and creative I'm not bothered. 

Well if he doesn't lump it out of play or to the other team under no pressure like some of our lot, then he gets my vote