England squad

[Dames]

Interesting that with the lack of depth in CM that neither Wilshere or Drinkwater players that have both been around the squad before are completely overlooked. Not even Oxlade Chamberlian has been considered.

 

Its more than obvious the ‘big’ clubs have thrown their weight around

[AjcW]

6 minutes ago, Dames said:

Interesting that with the lack of depth in CM that neither Wilshere or Drinkwater players that have both been around the squad before are completely overlooked. Not even Oxlade Chamberlian has been considered.

 

Its more than obvious the ‘big’ clubs have thrown their weight around

I actually think this is more to do with the only advantage I see in Southgate.... he's not afraid to not pick talentless overrated footballers just because they're hyped (Wilshere and Chamberlain)

[matty98]

Ridiculous that Nick Pope isn't in the squad, he's been the best keeper in the Premier League this season by some distance.

[fuchsntf]

8 hours ago, nnfox said:

The Premier League has become too powerful. The wages are too high.  When players give away their England match fees, there is literally no point in playing for England and risk getting injured.

 

I would like to see a set up like in rugby, where playing for the national team is considered the pinnacle of the sport.  Players boost their pay considerably through enhanced sponsorhip deals and league fixtures continue without international breaks.  It will never happen in football though.

 

Or maybe the players can't stand Southgate.

That last sentence, must mean 60yrs of players hating all the England managers..!!

[filbertway]

How have we not drafted in more attacking options?

 

Mental that Gray/Ward-Prowse/Redmond haven't been given a shout. Massively unbalanced.

[ALC Fox]

4 hours ago, Johnthefoxrayner said:

Sounds daft but what about Albrighton on the wing for England 

I'd love to see him in the squad as a Leicester fan and think he most deserved it during the title season, and last season as one of our better performers.

 

But I don't think he'd have a prayer of going to the World Cup or make many other squads for competitive games so for me it'd be the same as with the likes of Cork: there'd be no real point.

 

They'd be better off calling Dimmy up as he has more chance of being part of England's long-term future.

 

Don't get me wrong though, I'm a believer in picking the best team that's available for competitive England games. And I think Albrighton should have had a chance before now.

 

But, in this period before a World Cup with no competitive games between now and then, I think it's probably the best time to be thinking about (a) England's World Cup campaign by picking as many players who have a realistic chance of going to the tournament, and (b) peppering that squad with a few of the standout U21, U20 or U17 players who have stellar futures on the horizon to really help integrate them into the senior setup, especially as they're doing so well - we need to capitalise on that somehow

[ALC Fox]

To put it another way, Germany rested much of their senior side during the Confederations Cup (which they won). Instead they sent a lot of young players. They didn't send the Bundesliga also-rans.

 

We have no succession plan. Instead its: 'Fvck it, Jake Livermore's alright'.

[MPH]

1 hour ago, filbertway said:

How have we not drafted in more attacking options?

 

Mental that Gray/Ward-Prowse/Redmond haven't been given a shout. Massively unbalanced.

 

 

IN fairness Gray has only started 2 league games so far this season...

 

 

 

Give him a reglaur gig and he could still make the wqorld cup squad tho'... especially if he keeps producing the way we know he can...

[Guest MattP]

16 hours ago, dylanlegend said:

Negative.. negative... negative.

 

Foxes talk is really a depressing place at times.

 

As far as I'm concerned the future has never looks brighter for the English national team... we have just won about every youth tournament going. Not just won them but battered the opposition. The next 5-15 years will be the glory days in English football.

These tournaments mean little in reality though, Ghana and Serbia have won them recently. Our team that won the World Cup in the summer had players aged 20 and 21 in who had never started a professional top flight match. Brazil's team in the last under 21 World Cup didn't have players like Gabriel Jesus in because they were regular starters in the Premier League, we've got nothing like that.

 

I hope players like Phil Foden can be superstars but they aren't going to be getting a chance over De Bruyne etc and they'll probably end up half decent players for teams like Stoke.

[CosbehFox]

Just now, ALC Fox said:

To put it another way, Germany rested much of their senior side during the Confederations Cup (which they won). Instead they sent a lot of young players. They didn't send the Bundesliga also-rans.

 

We have no succession plan. Instead its: 'Fvck it, Jake Livermore's alright'.

I'd argue against that slightly. It's clear Germany have a stronger depth with youngsters but Southgate is reluctant to call up the Under 21s on this occasion as they have their most difficult qualifier. 

[filbertway]

11 minutes ago, MPH said:

IN fairness Gray has only started 2 league games so far this season...

 

Give him a reglaur gig and he could still make the wqorld cup squad tho'... especially if he keeps producing the way we know he can...

Oh I would agree if there were other players in the squad that are capable of playing that role behind the striker, but there isn't.

 

Seems weird to call up 10 defenders, 6 midfielders (3 of which are defensive minded CM's) and 3 strikers. 

 

Easiest money you'll make is a Germany/Brazil double I imagine.

[ALC Fox]

2 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

I'd argue against that slightly. It's clear Germany have a stronger depth with youngsters but Southgate is reluctant to call up the Under 21s on this occasion as they have their most difficult qualifier. 

Fair point. I still think we're missing a trick though. One of the youth teams won't have an important game (I think the U20s play Germany in a friendly themselves).

 

It's not going to happen, I know. It's just frustrating that we call up mediocre players to the senior side to replace the first choice players who can't play through a niggle for a friendly, and when we actually go to tournaments the players play like they're scared out of their wits.

[Guest]

Demi, Redmond, ward prowse, trent-arnold let's get them all chucked in.

[Dan]

6 hours ago, MattP said:

These tournaments mean little in reality though, Ghana and Serbia have won them recently. Our team that won the World Cup in the summer had players aged 20 and 21 in who had never started a professional top flight match. Brazil's team in the last under 21 World Cup didn't have players like Gabriel Jesus in because they were regular starters in the Premier League, we've got nothing like that.

 

I hope players like Phil Foden can be superstars but they aren't going to be getting a chance over De Bruyne etc and they'll probably end up half decent players for teams like Stoke.

They need to do what Sancho's done - get out early and get to a club where they'll get some proper experience. Sancho will get a bigger crack at Dortmund than he will Man City.

 

I'd like to hope Foden gets a proper crack though. They really rate him there apparently.

[lcfc278]

20 hours ago, AjcW said:

Playing good attacking football....

 

As soon as these lads hit U21 level they are greeted by Aidy ****ing Boothroyd and Gareth Southgate and all of that disappears.

 

Until changes are made at the higher levels we wont make the most of that talent.

Spot on!

 

I for one think with the youth set-up with England, in particularly at this point whilst we are in a period of relative success, we should be promoting each successful manager with ease successful year group, so this manager is monitoring and developing the same players through under 16/17's to 19's etc.. Give them up until the England Under 21's for a year and if successful, bring them in to the coaching squad for the main team to help bring in more younger players, and if not. let the cycle continue. 

 

If you look at the likes of Germany and Spain, they consistently nurture their youth international teams and a good handful every year make the grade to be called up to the full team, hence why they could both probably field 3 or 4 good full-strength 11 a side teams. At this point we are scraping to get one good 11 with all of the chopping and changing and picking up of players for the sake of it.

[Wortho]

I quite agree about Boothroyd and Southgate. They will ruin their careers with pass it sideways and backwards tactics.

 

I very much hope that Vardy plays in the next two games. Whether they will play to his strengths is another matter. I envisage slow, boring build-up play that is so predictable. 

[pazzerfox]

I have lost all faith in the England side and really dislike the international breaks.  The support is also dwindling in terms of attendances.

 

1.  The manager fills me with no confidence at all.  He might have passed all his badges and gone through the right channels but his tactics represent his personality...DRAB.

 

2.  It is the least 'technically gifted' side i've ever seen for a long time.

 

3.  The last decent England side played with intensity (Euro 96) but we seem to want to go down this route of possesion, cautious, safe approach, which is fine when you have intelligent players to break the lines and able to play in tight areas.  England just don't have these technical types of players. 

[m4DD0gg]

Southgate is just the next puppet/clone. 

[TiffToff88]

17 hours ago, filbertway said:

Oh I would agree if there were other players in the squad that are capable of playing that role behind the striker, but there isn't.

 

Seems weird to call up 10 defenders, 6 midfielders (3 of which are defensive minded CM's) and 3 strikers. 

 

Easiest money you'll make is a Germany/Brazil double I imagine.

Won't happen. I've just had a bet on exactly that. The gambling gods are against me so won't want me to win a penny.

[filbertway]

9 minutes ago, TiffToff88 said:

Won't happen. I've just had a bet on exactly that. The gambling gods are against me so won't want me to win a penny.

Germany are 11/10! Unbelievable considering the state of our squad.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

1 hour ago, pazzerfox said:

The last decent England side played with intensity (Euro 96) but we seem to want to go down this route of possesion, cautious, safe approach, which is fine when you have intelligent players to break the lines and able to play in tight areas.  England just don't have these technical types of players. 

 

We've been decent since 96. We were really positive and bright during Euro 2004, Gerrard (pass back in the 93rd minute) and Beckham (missed pen) managed to absolutely shag the opener against France for us and Portugal needed a referee, a linesman, penalties and injuring Rooney to scrape past us.

 

We've been crap in nearly all tournaments, I'll happily concede that – but that was one I genuinely felt we could've won if we got anything even approaching the rub of the green.

[Stevosevic]

14 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

We've been decent since 96. We were really positive and bright during Euro 2004, Gerrard (pass back in the 93rd minute) and Beckham (missed pen) managed to absolutely shag the opener against France for us and Portugal needed a referee, a linesman, penalties and injuring Rooney to scrape past us.

 

We've been crap in nearly all tournaments, I'll happily concede that – but that was one I genuinely felt we could've won if we got anything even approaching the rub of the green.

Yep - 2004 was the real missed opportunity.

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

Yep - 2004 was the real missed opportunity.

I thought if we'd.made any attempt to attack a 10 man Brazil in 2002 we'd have gone close too. Wasn't that the champs where South Korea got to the semis?

[Turbogre]

All those that have pulled out the England squad for these friendlies you can guarantee they will all be fit for their clubs on the 18th of November.

[m4DD0gg]

total farce

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41927647

 

so glad i am not an england fan any more