Puel

[LittlethorpeFox]

If he doesn’t go this week then as horrible as it will be, a loss against West Ham will be the most positive result for us . Then two drubbings to arsenal and spurs should do that job. 

 

Hope it doesnt come to that, look at West Brom they are already building for next season 

[DJ Barry Hammond]

56 minutes ago, norwichfox said:

so...basically, we're all saying Southampton were right.....in spite of their position.

 

Yes - there were a few examples of games from that tenure which should have set alarm bells going, none more so than this one: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/14955938.Southampton_1_1_Hapoel_Be_er_Sheva__Saints_knocked_out_of_Europe/

 

[Dr The Singh]

In not Puel in or out.  But his team selections baffle me, however I'm sick of the manager merry go around.

 

I hope the club release a statement either way, and put the saga to rest, and focus the fans and players.

[LittlethorpeFox]

19 minutes ago, wurmer said:

The rot has set in, clearly lost the dressing room.

 

Dint care about this season - we are in big trouble already next season unless we sort this!

 

Changing some of the players won’t fix that, unless we change ALL of them, which isn’t going to happen.

 

Bye bye Claude.

 

Some overhaul that would be  

[Blanchflower78]

Sick of saying it, our first halves are dreadful. It sets the tone.  The fear is a much wider problem at club than just Puel. Number of players need to move on, signings not worked etc. Feel for the next boss, gonna be a tough job. 

[NotTheMarketLeader]

12 hours ago, ttfn said:

Palace are actually a great example of what Puel has managed to achieve.

 

Hodgson and Puel have very similar records since taking over struggling sides. Palace were more of a mess than we were in the short term - Hodgson went back to basics and they’ve secured their survival with 2 games to go.

 

Puel is trying to change the team’s style and yet has achieved similar results to Hodgson’s “back to basics” approach. Puel has a (marginally) better squad but it’s not so much better that we should be lauding Hodgson for keeping Palace up and lambasting Puel for having us 9th. Since Puel took over Hodgson’s Palace have taken exactly the same number of points as we have. 

 

Should we be hoping for better? Obviously. Realistically are we going to do better? I don’t know, I hope so but we are near enough where we should be, as are Palace. One manager is hailed as a genius, the other as a calamity.

Ffs ttfn. 

 

For or four months it’s been apparent to me he is clueless.

 

Take out the new manager bounce  and we are in relegation form with a team that IS GOOD ENOUGH NOW in terms of its playing staff to finish 7th.

 

Shit man / squad management regarding the Mahrez affair, I believe meant he lost the dressing room.

 

 

The mistakes have continued ever since and if we were to keep him we would lose our best players this summer.

 

I have said all this before on this forum over recent months concerning this guy and predicted this unraveling we now see.

 

‘We can’t keep sacking managers’ was the cry; we need to sack this bloke before the end of the season to give is chance of recruiting a sensible option which Puel never was.

 

The difference between the job Roy has done compared to Puel is blindingly obvious; he has improved the individual players at his disposal as well as the team while Puel has not.

Edited 29 April 2018 by NotTheMarketLeader

[Rob1742]

Just been taking the dog for a walk and it made me think. When was the last time the football was so dull. The numbness of going down to watch them? Even a good relegation battle is worth watching, but this..... 

I can’t ever remember such a dull pointless part of our history. 

 

[Corky]

1 minute ago, Rob1742 said:

Just been taking the dog for a walk and it made me think. When was the last time the football was so dull. The numbness of going down to watch them? Even a good relegation battle is worth watching, but this..... 

I can’t ever remember such a dull pointless part of our history. 

 

January-February last season. No goals and barely any shots in six matches.

[Matt]

1 minute ago, Rob1742 said:

Just been taking the dog for a walk and it made me think. When was the last time the football was so dull. The numbness of going down to watch them? Even a good relegation battle is worth watching, but this..... 

I can’t ever remember such a dull pointless part of our history. 

 

We had a couple of seasons of mid table obscurity in the Championship but I’d say even that wasn’t as dull as this.

[Collymore]

The World Cup is another factor for Puel. He's got a lot of players that he's got a duty of care to look after to make sure they make their respected squads. He's in a position where he's got players like Maguire that are bang out of form that he can't drop as the timing would be catastrophic for them. Playing them to fail isn't great either though. He must be feeling the pressure at the moment. 

 

Terrible situation for player, club, fans and Puel. 

Edited 29 April 2018 by Collymore

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

10 minutes ago, Matt said:

We had a couple of seasons of mid table obscurity in the Championship but I’d say even that wasn’t as dull as this.

 

It was worse. It 100% was worse.

 

We're dross but **** me I wouldn't trade places with us from 2005/6/7, absolutely bloody not.

[Happy Fox]

12 minutes ago, Collymore said:

The World Cup is another factor for Puel. He's got a lot of players that he's got a duty of care to look after to make sure they make their respected squads. He's in a position where he's got players like Maguire that are bang out of form that he can't drop as the timing would be catastrophic for them. Playing them to fail isn't great either though. He must be feeling the pressure at the moment. 

 

Terrible situation for player, club, fans and Puel. 

 

He has brought on this situation to himself, disdain for the cup competitons, disdain for the league, disdain to the fans when he says the new season has started. He is incompetent and we can do better imo.

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

 

Yes - there were a few examples of games from that tenure which should have set alarm bells going, none more so than this one: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/14955938.Southampton_1_1_Hapoel_Be_er_Sheva__Saints_knocked_out_of_Europe/

 

Funnily enough that has always been festering at the back of my mind. At the time, I felt their approach to that game was astonishing. Perhaps it was the one thing that should have been ringing alarm bells. 

[drofmor55]

4 hours ago, nnfox said:

I have a feelng that I might be in the minority, but I don't really see the point in getting rid of Puel.  Pearson took a long time to build a great squad, signed some great players (and some doggo ones).  Then Ranieri picked up that squad in its prime and started the season with some new faces - Fuchs, Kante, Okazaki, Benalouane and Inler and the rest is history.

 

I saw in the West Ham game thread that someone suggested the starting XI should be that from the title winning season (including DD and Kante), and here lies the problem.  We have been absolutely spoilt by the journey we have been on but we can't turn back the clock.

 

The owner's have brought Puel in to close the chapter on this particular golden age of our club and write a new one that leads to long term premier league sustainablilty where we can challenge for silverware and compete for European places.  We are at the end of the chapter, the team is in transition.  Puel is building a team and it is going to take a couple of years to get to where he wants to go.  It will be a team without Simpson, Morgan, Huth, Fuchs, Mahrez, Okazaki, Vardy and maybe Schmeichel - they will all be gone by the end of the 19/20 season, if not before.  It will be a team based around (if we can keep them) Maguire, Gray, Iheanacho, Ndidi, Silva  We have to accept that it might be a bumpy road getting there.  One of the reasons that Puel has been brought in, is to get some end result from the academy that was heavily invested in years ago.  As a fan, there is nothing better than seeing a player graduate from academy to the first team.  Some won't make the grade, some will.  But given some of the absolute dross that we have spent loas of money on over the past couple of years, I don't see the problem with chancing our arm with some of the academy players, instead of going out and paying 10, 20 30 million+ on players who still might not be quite what we're looking for.

 

Don't get me wrong, you can't win anything with kids , and we will need to buy players in this summer.  We probably need 4 defenders, 1 or 2 wide players and a striker.  We will buy some of those and use the academy too.  But whoever it is, they will likely need time to bed in. 

 

Puel said himself just last week that from now until the end of the season (because we are safe, but have nothing to play for) we have an opportunity to test new tactics and give some game time to some of the youngsters.  I would rather any manager did this fact finding mission when we have the luxury of it not really mattering, rather than having to do it when we absolutely need the points.

 

There is no way Puel will be sacked now.  Even if he was and we managed to get Pep in with Ancelotti, Zidane, Mourinho and Ferguson in his prime as back room staff, they would still be faced with the same problem of having to rebuild the squad and would have to do it without really knowing the depth of the squad and academy that Puel has.

 

Puel will have spent some time identifying targets for this summer, he will know where he needs to strengthen and he has a long term plan that is shared with, and supported by, the owners.  He is going nowhere just yet and will definitely be given the summer and beyond.

 

It is a frustrating period, but everytime we go through a dodgy patch of form, we can't change the manager and keep the players.  This time, we need to keep the manager, keep faith in the club, trust that there are things going on in the background for the betterment of Leicester City and realise that we are at the beginnings of a new long term strategy.  There will be some sad farewells and some up and down performances but the club will go on.

 

The alternative is to stick with the players and style that has brought success in the past, only replacing like for like when needed and watch the results like WBA, Stoke, West Ham and Southampton.

Excellent post

[m4DD0gg]

Could get well messy next Saturday if this idiot is still in charge.

[C.J]

They said on RL that he's got a good record in the second season at a club, I know he didn't get that chance at Southampton but we need to give it him here.   Some of the players are the problem, he needs chance to sort that out.

[BlueSi13]

So he's still in a job then today?

 

Majorly disappointing. 

[Nod.E]

57 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

It was worse. It 100% was worse.

 

We're dross but **** me I wouldn't trade places with us from 2005/6/7, absolutely bloody not.

Idiots have short memories. It isn't surprising.

 

Hate what the title win has done to our fans.

[VLC86]

This guy not been sacked off yet? Will be awkward if he’s here on Friday as I’m trying to get a shirt signed at the training ground for charity and I don’t want that clown signing it.

[Ashley]

Just now, Costock_Fox said:

This guy not been sacked off yet? Will be awkward if he’s here on Friday as I’m trying to get a shirt signed at the training ground for charity and I don’t want that clown signing it.

Good luck with that mate. Might be an email to the club to see if they can help you. They've clamped down on signings now.

[VLC86]

Just now, Ashley said:

Good luck with that mate. Might be an email to the club to see if they can help you. They've clamped down on signings now.

A few people have been down and said they have got signatures but I’m trying to get in touch with Jim.

 

Cheers for the heads up.

[Matt]

1 hour ago, m4DD0gg said:

Could get well messy next Saturday if this idiot is still in charge.

It'll be toxic.

[Ashley]

3 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

A few people have been down and said they have got signatures but I’m trying to get in touch with Jim.

 

Cheers for the heads up.

No worries, players might be in a good mood who knows? I know Nididi and Okazaki usually stop to sign but others just drive past now on orders from the club. 

[VLC86]

8 minutes ago, Ashley said:

No worries, players might be in a good mood who knows? I know Nididi and Okazaki usually stop to sign but others just drive past now on orders from the club. 

Ha fingers crossed!

[lcfc_forever]

5 hours ago, nnfox said:

I have a feelng that I might be in the minority, but I don't really see the point in getting rid of Puel.  Pearson took a long time to build a great squad, signed some great players (and some doggo ones).  Then Ranieri picked up that squad in its prime and started the season with some new faces - Fuchs, Kante, Okazaki, Benalouane and Inler and the rest is history.

 

I saw in the West Ham game thread that someone suggested the starting XI should be that from the title winning season (including DD and Kante), and here lies the problem.  We have been absolutely spoilt by the journey we have been on but we can't turn back the clock.

 

The owner's have brought Puel in to close the chapter on this particular golden age of our club and write a new one that leads to long term premier league sustainablilty where we can challenge for silverware and compete for European places.  We are at the end of the chapter, the team is in transition.  Puel is building a team and it is going to take a couple of years to get to where he wants to go.  It will be a team without Simpson, Morgan, Huth, Fuchs, Mahrez, Okazaki, Vardy and maybe Schmeichel - they will all be gone by the end of the 19/20 season, if not before.  It will be a team based around (if we can keep them) Maguire, Gray, Iheanacho, Ndidi, Silva  We have to accept that it might be a bumpy road getting there.  One of the reasons that Puel has been brought in, is to get some end result from the academy that was heavily invested in years ago.  As a fan, there is nothing better than seeing a player graduate from academy to the first team.  Some won't make the grade, some will.  But given some of the absolute dross that we have spent loas of money on over the past couple of years, I don't see the problem with chancing our arm with some of the academy players, instead of going out and paying 10, 20 30 million+ on players who still might not be quite what we're looking for.

 

Don't get me wrong, you can't win anything with kids , and we will need to buy players in this summer.  We probably need 4 defenders, 1 or 2 wide players and a striker.  We will buy some of those and use the academy too.  But whoever it is, they will likely need time to bed in. 

 

Puel said himself just last week that from now until the end of the season (because we are safe, but have nothing to play for) we have an opportunity to test new tactics and give some game time to some of the youngsters.  I would rather any manager did this fact finding mission when we have the luxury of it not really mattering, rather than having to do it when we absolutely need the points.

 

There is no way Puel will be sacked now.  Even if he was and we managed to get Pep in with Ancelotti, Zidane, Mourinho and Ferguson in his prime as back room staff, they would still be faced with the same problem of having to rebuild the squad and would have to do it without really knowing the depth of the squad and academy that Puel has.

 

Puel will have spent some time identifying targets for this summer, he will know where he needs to strengthen and he has a long term plan that is shared with, and supported by, the owners.  He is going nowhere just yet and will definitely be given the summer and beyond.

 

It is a frustrating period, but everytime we go through a dodgy patch of form, we can't change the manager and keep the players.  This time, we need to keep the manager, keep faith in the club, trust that there are things going on in the background for the betterment of Leicester City and realise that we are at the beginnings of a new long term strategy.  There will be some sad farewells and some up and down performances but the club will go on.

 

The alternative is to stick with the players and style that has brought success in the past, only replacing like for like when needed and watch the results like WBA, Stoke, West Ham and Southampton.

This was exactly my line of thinking till yesterday. But if this was the strategy, he should have chosen Drago over Morgan, and put Barnes in the team. Mahrez will more than likely go in the Summer so why continue to start him, especially as he appears so disinterested? He's paying the price for picking underperforming senior players when this is the absolutely the right time to be giving the academy players a chance.