End of season Puel poll

[Babylon]

Can we add a "**** knows" option?

[ian_marshall]

It's 'In' for me. Despite the recent poor run if you look at the points amassed in the second half of the season (20pts from 19 games) and extrapolate over the full season we'd finish up on 40 points which since the turn of the century only 1 team has been relegated with 40+ points, with only one other team during the same time period achieving 39 points. Therefore taking a pessimistic view and assuming that this form continued for the entirety of season 18/19, there is a very high chance that in the worse case scenario we'd avoid relegation.

 

In fact, 40 points this season would have achieved 15th place which is by no means a disaster. Furthermore and to add some context, if the league was based on the last 19 games, we'd have finished 13th, 2 points behind EL bound Burnley, and 3 points behind high spending Everton. I'm not suggesting for one moment that the club should be satisfied with simply avoiding relegation or even aspiring to just stay in the PL, however I just wanted to point out that despite the scaremongering on this forum, relegation really is a slim possibility under Puel. 

 

Let's be honest, it's clear as day where the problems in our team lie, and Puel is not a stupid man. I'm certain that just replacing Morgan and Simpson alone would easily achieve us 7 more points over the course of a season which in the past 2 seasons would have achieved a minimum of 9th place. I think with a new centre back partnering Maguire, and two wingbacks who are comfortable on the ball whilst having the nous to support an attack, we'd see a far different team. In fairness to Puel, he has only brought in one player so far, and I think we can all agree that he has been a good addition to the squad. I have faith that given time he's capable of building a good squad for the long term.

 

We're not far off being a very good side in this league, although as others have mentioned a change in manager now would probably set us back as any new manager will need time to assess the squad which will only extend the playing time of Morgan and Simpson. Looking at the potential pool of managers, I'm not convinced that there are many better options than Puel. Benitez is probably the only man I'd consider as a suitable replacement, yet even he has his flaws. 

 

I think that sometimes as a fanbase we're too quick to criticise rather than support. We did it with O'Neill, and as much as he had a strong affinity to the club he never forgot the treatment that he received early on in his time with the club. Even (the Messiah) Pearson retorted to fans criticism with his suggestions that some people had "Delusions of grandeur". In fact looking back through some old threads I came across this:

 

 

Reading page 5 of that thread some of the comments are almost identical to what we are seeing in these recurring Puel threads. If I recall correctly, giving Pearson time to reshape the club didn't work out too badly (ignoring Ostrich-gate, and the incident in Thailand) did it?!? 

Edited 14 May 2018 by ian_marshall

[Rusko187]

Wow that's turned around very quickly!

 

In my eyes whilst I do want him out I think it's going to be more harmful doing it now, really to give ourselves the best opportunity he should have gone after the Palace game. To recruit a new manager and a lot of new players in 1 window going through a World Cup year? I think that is going to be incredibly hard to do, I think he's kind of bought himself a few more games with the last 2 performances... let's just hope he doesn't revert and has turned a corner.

[RonnieTodger]

I just don't know anymore. Puel has messed with my head big time.

[lcfcsnow]

14 hours ago, Ricey said:

Madness that 35% of people have changed their mind to stick with Puel after a win against a team with 0 points away from home in 2018 (and 10 men for 85 minutes) and a 5-4 defeat.

 

If you voted out after West Ham, what has changed your mind?

I like goals and I'm scared of King, Slimani, Ulloa and Morgan/Simpson still being around next season. Puel seems to have at least identified most of those aren't required. I'm not convinced though, I have a feeling that the Arsenal game was the Man City of last season where we went 4-0 up, someone/something out of the managers control changed the tactics but it was just a one off game until Ranieri left. It felt like a similar situation where the players took control.

[Larry_LCFC]

What a ridiculous result. How do you shift from 66% to 48% out in the space of a win against 10 men and another loss. Deluded.

[Captain...]

14 hours ago, Ricey said:

Madness that 35% of people have changed their mind to stick with Puel after a win against a team with 0 points away from home in 2018 (and 10 men for 85 minutes) and a 5-4 defeat.

 

If you voted out after West Ham, what has changed your mind?

I think you have to remember that voting isn't mandatory and a binary question is always misleading as it is never as simple as in/out. So some people don't  vote if they aren't sure. For example I was voting in until the Palace game then I started to lose faith so I didn't vote because I didn't know. I imagine a number of those that didn't know before the Palace game probably switched to out. After the Arsenal game those that started to doubt regained their optimism and so switched back to in. the trend went from "in" to "undecided" and back to "in" and "undecided" to "out" and back to "undecided". 

 

Me, I'm still undecided, only request is we make our decision soon and if it is in, then we make a clear statement of backing and not fanny around thinking we might sack him in November and have managers lined up/sounded out.

[Gerard]

2 hours ago, bmouth_fox said:

My theory is that player power has influenced these last 2 games, and hence we have played differently. An undermined Puel won’t quit as he won’t get his pay-off, and it’s all going to go to shit next season.

 

That is a possibility and if the manager isn't calling the shots he'll be sacked before the week is out.

[EnglishOxide]

8 minutes ago, Larry_LCFC said:

What a ridiculous result. How do you shift from 66% to 48% out in the space of a win against 10 men and another loss. Deluded.

 

Goals.

 

He has not been given a single player to strengthen the defence yet.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

I’m kind of thinking, if he was going to be sacked it would have happened by now - so that a new manager has time to prepare for next season ahead of a busy summer.

 

If that is the case, I’d rather support the lads as opposed to contributing to what is or could be a toxic atmosphere. Get behind the lads!

[Gerard]

1 minute ago, bmouth_fox said:

I’m kind of thinking, if he was going to be sacked it would have happened by now - so that a new manager has time to prepare for next season ahead of a busy summer.

 

If that is the case, I’d rather support the lads as opposed to contributing to what is or could be a toxic atmosphere. Get behind the lads!

 

Maybe the powers at be at LCFC are as split as we are on foxestalk?

 

I'd have thought there would be a meeting with the powers that be and a meeting with Puel over the course of this week. The conclusion of those meeting will not be known until later in the week. If we hear nothing by the weekend we'll presume he's staying as the transfer window opens this Thursday.

[Costock_Fox]

9 minutes ago, EnglishOxide said:

 

Goals.

 

He has not been given a single player to strengthen the defence yet.

Other than having the option to play Dragovic of course.

[st albans fox]

Pretty sure that if they can get a new man in by last week of May then he will be sacked.

 

otherwise we will stick with him, recruit where we need to and see how we start next season - the recruitment is not specific to Puel - we (and he) know where we are short. If he isn’t up to it come September/October then he will be jettisoned but we will still have the new players for the next manager. 

[les-tah]

I dont think we can truly judge a manager until the so called 'player power' culprits are gone as the manger will always be fighting a losing a battle. Apparently Kasper, Morgan, Simpson, Vardy.

 

Will be happy to keep Vardy obviously as the rest of them are replaceable. 

 

 

Edited 14 May 2018 by les-tah

[WigstonWanderer]

3 hours ago, demon_dog said:

Fickle bloody lot!

First poll showed around 60 odd percent said keep him, second poll showed 92 percent wanted rid of.

We now almost have a 50 - 50 split!

Just shows how a difference in play or results can have an effect.

Let's have a poll after every game next season, could be interesting. 

We literally do that anyway

Edited 14 May 2018 by WigstonWanderer

[goose2010]

1 hour ago, Larry_LCFC said:

What a ridiculous result. How do you shift from 66% to 48% out in the space of a win against 10 men and another loss. Deluded.

If someone can tell me a manager that chomping at the bit to take over at us that is better than Puel then I may change my mind ( I have always been a Puel in BTW)

[Ted Maul]

I'm honestly not sure, but we've played some brilliant attacking football over the last couple of games.

 

I feel you've got to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's finally realised that's how we should he playing and given the players the licence to attack. If we had a proper defence, we would have hammered Spurs away yesterday.

 

Say what you like about the previous 2 months (it was horrendous, and I wanted him out), but if we set up like we did against Arsenal and Spurs next season with a proper defence, we'll have a great time.

 

On top of that, we are actually developing a reputation of not treating managers well- we know that's not the case, but the media are still looking for any excuse to have a pop at us after Ranieri. Getting rid of Puel after he led us from a relegation scrap to 9th wouldn't put us in a good light for potential candidates.

 

I have my doubts, but I think we're better off sticking rather than twisting on this occasion.

[sacreblueits442]

2 hours ago, les-tah said:

I dont think we can truly judge a manager until the so called 'player power' culprits are gone as the manger will always be fighting a losing a battle. Apparently Kasper, Morgan, Simpson, Vardy.

 

Will be happy to keep Vardy obviously as the rest of them are replaceable. 

 

 

 

....why keep Vardy if he (allegedly) is part of the problem!!

[Guest MattP]

Very surprised so many have changed their minds on what are two effectively glorified friendly matches.

 

I have a strange feeling they might keep him though, I just get the feeling it would be done by now if they wanted to get rid.

[Nigel Graham Pearson]

22 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

....why keep Vardy if he (allegedly) is part of the problem!!

Because, unlike the rest, he’s really really good. 

 

It’s not totally clear to me that Vardy is one of the anti-Puel players anyway. He stuck up for Puel in a recent interview, and I noticed yesterday he was intently taking instruction from Puel when Silva was down for a bit. 

[goose2010]

24 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

....why keep Vardy if he (allegedly) is part of the problem!!

Who has ever said Vardy is part of the problem?

[sacreblueits442]

6 minutes ago, Nigel Graham Pearson said:

Because, unlike the rest, he’s really really good. 

 

It’s not totally clear to me that Vardy is one of the anti-Puel players anyway. He stuck up for Puel in a recent interview, and I noticed yesterday he was intently taking instruction from Puel when Silva was down for a bit. 

.....morally wrong and hypocritical!!!!

The inference is like Donald Trump, Vardy could walk into the city centre shoot and kill someone in broad daylight and not be arrested. You can not ignore wrong doing because the person doing the deed is famous and therefore deigned to be above the law.

[kingfox]

2 hours ago, Ted Maul said:

I'm honestly not sure, but we've played some brilliant attacking football over the last couple of games.

 

I feel you've got to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's finally realised that's how we should he playing and given the players the licence to attack. If we had a proper defence, we would have hammered Spurs away yesterday.

 

Say what you like about the previous 2 months (it was horrendous, and I wanted him out), but if we set up like we did against Arsenal and Spurs next season with a proper defence, we'll have a great time.

 

On top of that, we are actually developing a reputation of not treating managers well- we know that's not the case, but the media are still looking for any excuse to have a pop at us after Ranieri. Getting rid of Puel after he led us from a relegation scrap to 9th wouldn't put us in a good light for potential candidates.

 

I have my doubts, but I think we're better off sticking rather than twisting on this occasion.

How can so many fans be blind at the fact that nothing has changed.

 

He hasn't realised anything in a matter of two games, the players had licence to attack not because of Claude Puel, it was because of the opposition we faced. Arsenal and Spurs gave us the space to play, that's why there was a considerable difference of how we attacked, you then look at us against the likes of Southampton, West Ham and Newcastle and it was an entirely different story for a reason, when teams sit in against us the football is slow and boring and we struggle to break teams down, if Arsenal and Spurs were defensively organised then I'm sure we would've struggled to break them down too.

 

We set up exactly the same against Arsenal and Spurs as we did against West Ham, the only thing that was different was the space the opposition gave us.

 

Do you really give a shit what the media think? Every time we've acted it's been in the best interests of the club. The position we finished in was satisfying, the football on display wasn't. We are an ambitious club but Puel from what we've seen is not an ambitious manager, especially in terms of his footballing philosophy, I fully believe we need and can do better.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

19 minutes ago, MattP said:

Very surprised so many have changed their minds on what are two effectively glorified friendly matches.

 

I have a strange feeling they might keep him though, I just get the feeling it would be done by now if they wanted to get rid.

It’s worrying if they have faith Puel

 

still as I have always said I will back him 100 per cent whilst he is still Leicester manager even if I don’t agree as he isn’t the right fit for Leicester 

[lancyclaret]

Carvahal is the man....he reckons he would have had Swansea challenging for a Europa League spot if he had been given the whole season.