Realist Guy In The Room Posted 30 December 2018 Posted 30 December 2018 He’s not as good as we thought he’d be. Championship level only.
foxinsocks Posted 30 December 2018 Posted 30 December 2018 7 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: He’s not as good as we thought he’d be. Championship level only. Yes. But he could be better. Once again we have seen a player fail to develop his own game. Is there no plan for personal imorovement? We pay 10s of 1000s a week in wages ..so surely we could have sone personal coaching. Grey receives the ball with his head down. .. he us always too slow to decide what to do... run shoot pass cross... He needs to mix ot up and decide what to do as the ball is coming to him. He needs to review vids of his touches to freeze it ...and look at his best options and then contrast what he did. This way he will realise his own biases. Oh but this takes time and effort from grey and from coaches
yorkie1999 Posted 30 December 2018 Posted 30 December 2018 There was a couple of times yesterday when Chilwell had the ball and was attacking, instead of legging it down the wing to pull the defender out, he stayed behind Chilwell making it more difficult to cut in and also not giving the option of a pass. Maybe he’s being told to protect the leftback position, but I doubt it as Cardiff are probably the least counter attacking team in the world or maybe gray just doesn’t read the game very well when it comes to off the ball movement. He could be as good as willian but there again could end up as just William
chris_lcfc_85 Posted 30 December 2018 Posted 30 December 2018 Gray frustrates me as much as anyone has for years. I've watched him many times now closely both for us and England, he's talented without doubt and absolutely good enough for the premier league, however, I'm not sure he has the right attitude and football brain. He makes alot of poor decisions and just doesn't get enough goals and assists
Ceirboy Posted 30 December 2018 Posted 30 December 2018 5 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: There was a couple of times yesterday when Chilwell had the ball and was attacking, instead of legging it down the wing to pull the defender out, he stayed behind Chilwell making it more difficult to cut in and also not giving the option of a pass. Maybe he’s being told to protect the leftback position, but I doubt it as Cardiff are probably the least counter attacking team in the world or maybe gray just doesn’t read the game very well when it comes to off the ball movement. He could be as good as willian but there again could end up as just William With DG it's probably both.I certainly believe Claude Puel has these guys so scared of vacating their positions that their games are compromised.
Danno Posted 30 December 2018 Posted 30 December 2018 12 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: There was a couple of times yesterday when Chilwell had the ball and was attacking, instead of legging it down the wing to pull the defender out, he stayed behind Chilwell making it more difficult to cut in and also not giving the option of a pass. Maybe he’s being told to protect the leftback position, but I doubt it as Cardiff are probably the least counter attacking team in the world or maybe gray just doesn’t read the game very well when it comes to off the ball movement. He could be as good as willian but there again could end up as just William Willian is awful too
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 30 December 2018 Posted 30 December 2018 46 minutes ago, The Doctor said: Because he didn't make any runs to offer a ball for Chilwell, compare and contrast with Ricardo and Albrighton offering for each other. He wasn't great yesterday, never really in the game I do agree with the lack of runs. He always wants it to feet and didnt give Chilwell the option he needed by running in behind a few times. Dont know if this is the manager's choice or what. Been happening for ages. Would like to see Gray run in behind more But Gray at least took players on occasionally
Ceirboy Posted 30 December 2018 Posted 30 December 2018 10 minutes ago, chris_lcfc_85 said: Gray frustrates me as much as anyone has for years. I've watched him many times now closely both for us and England, he's talented without doubt and absolutely good enough for the premier league, however, I'm not sure he has the right attitude and football brain. He makes alot of poor decisions and just doesn't get enough goals and assists Is that not a contradiction of what you are trying to say though?
cropstonfox Posted 30 December 2018 Posted 30 December 2018 Not good enough.The team is always weaker when he plays.Shows flashes but nothing consistent considering the amount of game time.Gazelle will offer more.Allbrighton though is no 1 choice for Left wing he is better on the Left than the right and offers cover for Chillwells runs.Gray is a sub at best.
chris_lcfc_85 Posted 30 December 2018 Posted 30 December 2018 1 minute ago, Ceirboy said: Is that not a contradiction of what you are trying to say though? What I'm trying to say is I think he has the ability and talent to play in the premier league but not sure he has the right attitude and football brain to progress. He could live to regret that if he doesn't change those aspects. Look at Albrighton, doesn't have the same skill levels and pace of Gray but makes much better decisions and works tirelessly
woollett the bullet Posted 30 December 2018 Posted 30 December 2018 28 minutes ago, MattP said: Just doesn't seem to have any improvement in him, 100 odd games now and offers little. Sad thing is we are so poor on the wings he's probably a starter. Sadly have to agree Watched him for Brum in the 2015 ? pre season friendly. Looked exciting , pacey , tricky scored a brilliant 20 yd goal. Hasn't improved or took his opportunities, compared to Maddison , Chillwell for example. Credit to Puel for persevering
RODNEY FERNIO Posted 30 December 2018 Posted 30 December 2018 2 minutes ago, cropstonfox said: Not good enough.The team is always weaker when he plays.Shows flashes but nothing consistent considering the amount of game time.Gazelle will offer more.Allbrighton though is no 1 choice for Left wing he is better on the Left than the right and offers cover for Chillwells runs.Gray is a sub at best. Gazelle is faster as well … can reach speeds of up to 60 miles per hour.
Ceirboy Posted 30 December 2018 Posted 30 December 2018 2 minutes ago, chris_lcfc_85 said: What I'm trying to say is I think he has the ability and talent to play in the premier league but not sure he has the right attitude and football brain to progress. He could live to regret that if he doesn't change those aspects. Look at Albrighton, doesn't have the same skill levels and pace of Gray but makes much better decisions and works tirelessly Yes, unfortunately he was purchased based on the fact he was young, English and could probably do 100 kicks up whilst Snapchatting!
Farrington fox Posted 30 December 2018 Posted 30 December 2018 Got skill but lacks footballing intelligence. In fact he just lacks intelligence.
cropstonfox Posted 30 December 2018 Posted 30 December 2018 4 minutes ago, Farrington fox said: Got skill but lacks footballing intelligence. In fact he just lacks intelligence. Based on ?
Farrington fox Posted 30 December 2018 Posted 30 December 2018 4 minutes ago, cropstonfox said: Based on ? Intuition, doesn’t mean I am right though!
Ceirboy Posted 30 December 2018 Posted 30 December 2018 Just now, Farrington fox said: Intuition And the time he was nearly decapitated getting out of a chopper during the 2016 lauding celebrations.
g7fox Posted 30 December 2018 Posted 30 December 2018 He’s got the pace, skill and confidence, unfortunately his decision making is not the best. However that can get better with more experience on the pitch- whether it here’s or on loan elsewhere, is another question.
FLAN Posted 30 December 2018 Posted 30 December 2018 3 hours ago, yorkie1999 said: There was a couple of times yesterday when Chilwell had the ball and was attacking, instead of legging it down the wing to pull the defender out, he stayed behind Chilwell making it more difficult to cut in and also not giving the option of a pass. Maybe he’s being told to protect the leftback position, but I doubt it as Cardiff are probably the least counter attacking team in the world or maybe gray just doesn’t read the game very well when it comes to off the ball movement. He could be as good as willian but there again could end up as just William This is exactly the issue. Doesn’t know how to influence a game at key moments. I was screaming at him to move in these situations
Clarkey123 Posted 30 December 2018 Posted 30 December 2018 17 hours ago, Mike Oxlong said: Players I’d take over Gray at the moment Harvey Ghezzal Lloyd Dyer Zsolt Laczko Players I wouldn’t Josh Low Don’t forget dany n’guessan ?
Dan Posted 30 December 2018 Posted 30 December 2018 17 hours ago, splinterdream said: Jesus Christ. They are some truly terrible stats I'm afraid. He just isn't good enough.
foxinsocks Posted 30 December 2018 Posted 30 December 2018 Yesterday... emery got a lesson in what is required to be a top six club. He could see arsenal players who are just never going to be good enough.. yet they are good players. We have players who are never going to be good enough Gray is a player who could improve and be good enough... but so far there are no signs he is doing so. He frustrates me. He will be retired for a long time. ...he may regret his lack if progress.. his england call up sent the wrong message. He needs to hire his own personal coach and sort out his mindset..his decision making...and his left foot
Ceirboy Posted 30 December 2018 Posted 30 December 2018 13 minutes ago, foxinsocks said: Yesterday... emery got a lesson in what is required to be a top six club. He could see arsenal players who are just never going to be good enough.. yet they are good players. We have players who are never going to be good enough Gray is a player who could improve and be good enough... but so far there are no signs he is doing so. He frustrates me. He will be retired for a long time. ...he may regret his lack if progress.. his england call up sent the wrong message. He needs to hire his own personal coach and sort out his mindset..his decision making...and his left foot So did the title win unfortunately, he thought he’d cracked it.
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