Man U 2-,Leicester 1 post match thread.

[foxes_rule1978]

More possession, more shots and more corners and free kicks, we played very well and United when parking the bus can be like a brick wall. If we don’t give that early penalty away I think that would have been a different result, we deserved at least a point 

[The Mixer]

32 minutes ago, NewEnglandFox said:

I think we have a problem at right back.

Just played the wrong RB.

 

[Beechey]

1 minute ago, Kopfkino said:

 

But it's not really representative of the game is it? That's the point. As someone else said, when you're chasing a game for 90 minutes against a team happy to sit on their lead, these stats are likely to be a bit skewed. The Vardy goal in the 93rd minute at 2-0 does exactly the same. Take out the two Vardy chances when 2-0 down and realistically out of the game and you get 0.5 xG which seems about fair. 

But it is representative because that is exactly what happened in the game. That was a chance Leicester created, are we supposed to ignore chances created because of tactics selected by each manager then?

[sylofox]

Chilly was great but needs work on his final ball. Puel's system looked good with hopefully stronger players to come in.

 

A man you fan watching came over at the end waiting we didn't deserve that result. On that showing he said keep it up you will be flying.

[Tielemans63]

Anyone see Madders' interview? Love him already.

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

Lots to be positive about, particularly in the first half, though I think United were there for the taking this evening, which makes the defeat ultimately disappointing.

 

We dominated the first 45 after that poor start. Amartey improved afterwards and harsh to write him off as some have here.

 

Some great link play down the left especially. Thought Maddison looked very good as did Ricardo and Chilwell. 

 

Our levels dropped second half. Some people criticising Silva but Ndidi's passing was equally poor. Both had nice touches but we could with some better assertion with the ball in midfield to help our creativity.

 

We did have chances and Bailly's challenge on Nacho was a penalty. Ricardo was caught badly out of position, even if Shaw's touch was lucky.

 

We kept going despite that, great reaction by Vardy to head that in; pity about the lofted volley just before. On another day, a draw might well have been the result. 

 

Lot to look forward to I hope.

Edited 10 August 2018 by Cadno'r Cymoedd

[foxfanazer]

Well done boys. Impressed with what I saw. Couple of lapse of concentration but overall loads of positives

 

Maddison, Gray, Chilwell and Perreira the standout performers for me. If we can perform like that against the teams around us we’ll be more than alright

[Harry96]

Just now, Paddy. said:

Anyone see Madders' interview? Love him already.

Yh spoke very well for a young man that just started his first game in the prem at old Trafford. Not fazed at all.

[Harry96]

 

[KingsX]

31 minutes ago, Beechey said:

Some people in the match thread were more embarrassing than Amartey's error. Honestly, some people on here are shockingly embarrassing.

 

The negativity was mostly the same tired moans which didn’t fit much of the football we watched today.

Proving to me it’s about supporting an agenda rather than your club.  Or demanding constant gratification like a bratty tot.

[KJT]

Madders and Vardy together, surly goals galore

[desertfox2]

27 minutes ago, Kopfkino said:

Carragher had it right in the fact that Utd never looked troubled and we never really looked like scoring. As nice as it is to see us play some pretty football, we looked a bit toothless and ultimately you don't win games just playing nice football 30 yards out. Now today that's as much a reflection of Man Utd as us - at home, under Mourinho they are always going to look solid and be tough to break down even if he wants more defenders. We'll see how we do against the lesser sides. It's encouraging to see us playing with such confidence, there's a lot of potential in this side and we can have a good season. It's a building process for us. 

Not too sure I agree with that. De gea made 2 cracking saves, Vardy would usually put that volley away, Nacho  probably should have got a penalty and we scored. How many really good chances can any team be expected to create at Old Trafford.  Despite all the stuff in the papers about discontent at Man U, they are still a Mourinho side, solid at the back and it's Man U at Old Trafford... Neither side at full strength but still we had a good go.

[Sunbury Fox]

30 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

We played well and on another day we'd have scored a few.  But I'm now listening to Sky tell us all about how it was a deserved victory or how they were all over us. It's bloody ridiculous. 

Didn't watch the pre match build up or post match analysis for this very reason. Radio 5's build up might also have been  broadcast on behalf of Man U TV so I turned that off too!

[Matt_Lcfc]

Just reiterating most comments above but that was good. Best I’ve seen us play in a long , long time. All brilliant, apart from Amartey. Maddison is amazing. One thing I clocked tonight was we actually looked better without Mahrez, the team was less based around him and they were working hard for each other and not always looking for Mahrez. Reminiscent of coutinho at Liverpool. Took the game to United, great performance & give Puel the credit he deserves with a weakened squad. Bring on wolves

[southfox66]

14 minutes ago, manders86 said:

I disagree. I think we will score a lot from set pieces this season. 

Will need to vastly improve on tonight performance 

[Filberts lovechild]

Really well played. We deserved more. Reminds me of Arsenal last season though. Maddison looked class. Perriera great addition. Chilly had a good game. But why is Armartey even a pro footballer, what am I missing? 

 

Loved Maddison in post match with Neville & Carra, not a robot media moron thank f

[funkyrobot]

Unfortunately had to watch that game on MUFC TV otherwise known as Sky Sports. Gary Neville -‘the best team won.’ FFS

[ARM1968]

Don’t really see the negativity around Morgan or Amartey. 

 

Thought Morgan was solid to be honest.  Amartey was unlucky but generally played fine and showed good pace on several important occasions. 

 

Shaw wouldn’t have scored but for a lucky ball to shin. 

 

Utd were solid as fuch and we dominated them. 

 

Reasons to be cheerful i believe IF we can turn dominance into goals and wins. 

[wattolcfc]

Stats prove we were the better side. Thought we were very unlucky. 

 

Weak links: Morgan, Amartey and Silva.

 

Average age of the side - 24 so the young lads will learn given time.

 

OVERALL: VERY POSITIVE!

[cityfanlee23]

Chilwell couldn't cross the road let alone a football. 

 

apart from that we looked far better than I expected. 

[Guest Kopfkino]

3 minutes ago, Beechey said:

But it is representative because that is exactly what happened in the game. That was a chance Leicester created, are we supposed to ignore chances created because of tactics selected by each manager then?

 

You said it shows we should have won. No it doesn't show that, it shows that we were expected to score more goals than them. And then once put into the context of the game, you see that 1.23 of out xG came after 91 minutes when we were out of the game. Surely you don't just blindly follow stats without any thought of why they are what they are. Just like when people say oh but we had 25 shots so we should have won but 23 of them were 35 yard pot luck shots. Or Brendan Rodgers/Spurs fans saying but we had lots of possession. 

[pazzerfox]

My assessment of the game = Daniel Amartey isn't and never has been good enough.  Can't afford to do gift any team a penalty with the stupidest of handballs!  

[ARM1968]

1 minute ago, Kopfkino said:

 

You said it shows we should have won. No it doesn't show that, it shows that we were expected to score more goals than them. And then once put into the context of the game, you see that 1.23 of out xG came after 91 minutes when we were out of the game. Surely you don't just blindly follow stats without any thought of why they are what they are. Just like when people say oh but we had 25 shots so we should have won but 23 of them were 35 yard pot luck shots. Or Brendan Rodgers/Spurs fans saying but we had lots of possession. 

We shouldn’t really get in to stats. We pretty much defied them in our title winning season. Only stats that matter at the end of the season are the points on the board. 

[desertfox2]

40 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

How many times do Vardy score a meaningless goal back in a 2-1 defeat. Seems to happen a lot. 

He just scores a lot and our defense has been dodgy the past 2 seasons.

[Beechey]

1 minute ago, Kopfkino said:

 

You said it shows we should have won. No it doesn't show that, it shows that we were expected to score more goals than them. And then once put into the context of the game, you see that 1.23 of out xG came after 91 minutes when we were out of the game. Surely you don't just blindly follow stats without any thought of why they are what they are. Just like when people say oh but we had 25 shots so we should have won but 23 of them were 35 yard pot luck shots. Or Brendan Rodgers/Spurs fans saying but we had lots of possession. 

So we disregard any chances created when United were sitting back because they were already winning? That's pretty poor analysis. Any chances when United were sitting and defending (if anything) are probably higher quality worked chances than ones on the counter given they're already defensively set. xG as I'm sure you know accounts for distance from goal and difficulty of an effort on target, so no, I don't say anything of the sort.