Foxymcoxy Posted 17 December 2019 Posted 17 December 2019 2 minutes ago, JJS84 said: some of the comments in here are laughable, the kid is clearly talented, but is going through a period of poor form. i do hope the club doesnt send him out of loan, and they work with him to get him back to being a starter again. some of the comments though, makes you wonder if the people making them actually support city at all. baffling. The club will not send him out on loan. Surely that's obvious? He is in our best 11 so far this season!
gurru991 Posted 17 December 2019 Posted 17 December 2019 Harvey Barnes will be just fine ! He may not be lighting up the league right now but the talent is obvious. 1
MrsJohnMurphy Posted 17 December 2019 Posted 17 December 2019 10 hours ago, Chrysalis said: I havent came to that conclusion yet, remember when kane was been sent out on loan struggling even in the championship. There is some quality with barnes, but I am 50/50 on if he can make it in the EPL, and I do think he needs to either have another loan to practice his shooting or be told to stop shooting at every chance. However Rodgers is a manager who wants the goals spread around so I think barnes will be allowed more time to try and get on top of it. He already has for a team 2nd in the league....what a bizarre comment 2
lcfc sheff Posted 17 December 2019 Posted 17 December 2019 I’m gonna give him all the patience in the world as a fan. He’s got so much potential and we can all see it, it’ll click on day for him and when it does this forum will go into meltdown. 1
Stadt Posted 17 December 2019 Posted 17 December 2019 @Ric Flairalways brings up that he’s looked more dangerous on the right, it should probably be tried out more often 1
thegaffa Posted 17 December 2019 Posted 17 December 2019 Harvey Barnes would be better if chillwell gave him the ball sooner than when he’s got two players on him, chilly needs to give him the ball early and go on the overlap and allow Barnes to cut inside more. 1
vanity Posted 17 December 2019 Posted 17 December 2019 Honestly, the more I watch them together, the less I think Barnes and Chilwell click. It seems like Chilwell is always missing him w passes and complaining about him on the pitch. He may be the "young guy" on the squad this season, and may be getting some stick from his "elders" as a consequence. Fact is, Barnes is critical to our style of play even if he isn't scoring. He demands serious defensive attention, he can turn the corner on defenders and can make them pay for shading away from him. His ability to keep defenses honest forces the opposing defense to play with width, so if they paying extra attn to Vards or Maddison, it leaves them poorly spaced and opens the channel to allow Chilwell to make his runs. Oh, and he obviously leads the team in assists. He is a valuable player for us even without scoring goals (he is on pace for a 10+ assist season) and he has gotten rather unlucky with his goal-scoring, he has the ability to turn into a 15-goal player in the Prem, the talent is there, he just needs more seasoning and some bloody confidence. We have to invest in him now, let him continue improving on the pitch, and we will wind up with a player doing 10 and 10 in the next couple seasons, which would make him one of the most effective wingers in the league. Starting him against Everton might be one way of helping him get that confidence, incidentally. If they start a lesser side, he could really showcase his abilities. Let's keep supporting the lad. 1 1
vanity Posted 17 December 2019 Posted 17 December 2019 3 hours ago, Stadt said: @Ric Flairalways brings up that he’s looked more dangerous on the right, it should probably be tried out more often If we did that we could bring in Zaha on the left. We need a goal-scoring wing, Perez doesn't look like that is what he is, but if Chelsea don't make the big move for Zaha, perhaps we can offer Perez and 40 mill or something, see if that appeal to CP. I've suggested Demi and 50 mill+ for cash in the past as well. We need a truly special player up front to join Vardy, if we can manage it without ruining our salary structure, we should make every effort. Failing that, I am definitely intrigued by Jarrod Bowen of Hull City. Let's see the backroom boys close that ASAP.
Guest An Sionnach Posted 17 December 2019 Posted 17 December 2019 Can't see anybody coming or going , certainly not till next summer. When top premiership teams try to buy they get screwed ask Man. Utd.
volpeazzurro Posted 17 December 2019 Posted 17 December 2019 For Barnes read Chilwell. Same old same old. If he or Chilwell had been the finished article they would have been several years older and we couldn't afford them. It's how we work now and how it will continue to work. As a rough guess, those same impatient fans that got on Chilwell's back are probably the same ones whining about Barnes. Those same ones will be bleating when he succeeds like Chilwell and there are rumours of him leaving for a 'bigger' club. Now is the time he needs our support, not when he's leaving amongst accusations of lack of loyalty, it cuts both ways. 2
Guest Posted 17 December 2019 Posted 17 December 2019 58 minutes ago, vanity said: If we did that we could bring in Zaha on the left. We need a goal-scoring wing, Perez doesn't look like that is what he is, but if Chelsea don't make the big move for Zaha, perhaps we can offer Perez and 40 mill or something, see if that appeal to CP. I've suggested Demi and 50 mill+ for cash in the past as well. We need a truly special player up front to join Vardy, if we can manage it without ruining our salary structure, we should make every effort. Failing that, I am definitely intrigued by Jarrod Bowen of Hull City. Let's see the backroom boys close that ASAP. What have you seen from Zaha to suggest that he's any more of a goalscorer than Perez? 4
treer Posted 17 December 2019 Posted 17 December 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Guest said: What have you seen from Zaha to suggest that he's any more of a goalscorer than Perez? do ypu actually watch football? If Leicester get Zaha in Jan, it really would announce to the football world, our intentions, there could be no better statement. Edited 17 December 2019 by treer
Guest Posted 17 December 2019 Posted 17 December 2019 Just now, treer said: do ypu actually watch football? If Leicester get Zaha n Jan, it really would announce to the football world, our intentions, there could be no better staement. I was questioning the suggestion that Perez isn't a goal-scoring winger but Zaha is when their scoring records over the last couple of years are very similar. Is that OK? 3
foxile5 Posted 17 December 2019 Posted 17 December 2019 1 hour ago, vanity said: If we did that we could bring in Zaha on the left. We need a goal-scoring wing, Perez doesn't look like that is what he is, but if Chelsea don't make the big move for Zaha, perhaps we can offer Perez and 40 mill or something, see if that appeal to CP. I've suggested Demi and 50 mill+ for cash in the past as well. We need a truly special player up front to join Vardy, if we can manage it without ruining our salary structure, we should make every effort. Failing that, I am definitely intrigued by Jarrod Bowen of Hull City. Let's see the backroom boys close that ASAP. You want to bin off Perez after less than six months? Did Jamie Vardy teach you nothing 1
treer Posted 17 December 2019 Posted 17 December 2019 (edited) would he be receptive to City though? At the moment surely Leicester (disregaring Manc and , Livarpool are the best option for him Edited 17 December 2019 by treer
treer Posted 17 December 2019 Posted 17 December 2019 4 minutes ago, foxile5 said: Did Jamie Vardy teach you nothing vardy is a once in a football clubs lifetime, and even then a magnificent one in a million fluke using him for comparisons is just a non starter Like Barca finding Messi
MPH Posted 17 December 2019 Posted 17 December 2019 40 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: Can't see anybody coming or going , certainly not till next summer. When top premiership teams try to buy they get screwed ask Man. Utd. we’ll be getting a couple in during January, i think
foxile5 Posted 17 December 2019 Posted 17 December 2019 5 minutes ago, treer said: vardy is a once in a football clubs lifetime, and even then a magnificent one in a million fluke using him for comparisons is just a non starter Like Barca finding Messi So, to that end, we learn absolutely nothing about having patience with players. Righto.
Popular Post jeffschlupp Posted 18 December 2019 Popular Post Posted 18 December 2019 I like Barnes, and as a Leicestershire lad I am desperate for him to do well as we all are. His downfall is for me the complete opposite of Gray - whereas Demarai struggles with making the right decision, Barnes doesn't get himself in the right positions half the time to make up for his lack of finesse for his young age. Every time we get the ball down the left Barnes is stood between the centre back and the full back like a 'left striker' rather than a winger. When he does drop deep it never goes anywhere. Watch Perez on the other side make runs, drift inside, drop deep, push to the byline etc. - it's a different world. If you sit so far up the pitch waiting for the ball to come to you, first it ain't gonna get there, and second you completely stunt the main asset of your full-back in mazy runs on the overlap, because he's got no one inside to play the one-two with. All we end up with is Maddison trying to compensate for that, getting dragged wide rather than being the extra man in the centre, and then attacks break down when Wilf has to push up into the space. 5
vanity Posted 18 December 2019 Posted 18 December 2019 2 hours ago, Guest said: What have you seen from Zaha to suggest that he's any more of a goalscorer than Perez? Watching him play for us + watching Zaha play the last two seasons. I don't deny that their statistics are comparable, your point is well taken. But Zaha is better on the ball, more athletic, faster, and he is what I would characterize as a natural winger. The problem we seem to be experiencing with Ayoze may be more one of fit. I believe Zaha would fit our style more naturally, he would have service the likes of which he has never had, and Perez seems uncomfortable and unproductive playing for us so far, probably because he prefers playing more inside than we would like. If I thought we could get 10 and 5 from Ayoze the way Zaha gave CP last season, I'd be fine with that. But 3 of his 4 goals this season were in a game our opponent gave up. I'm just not impressed, and I don't think Rodgers is either. To be fair, he may grow into the role though. It is def possible I am being too hasty. But there is a reason teams like Chelsea are talking about spending 60+ million for Zaha and not Perez. He is simply more talented, and playing for us, I think he could step right in and score 7-10 goals in the 2H of the season.
vanity Posted 18 December 2019 Posted 18 December 2019 2 hours ago, foxile5 said: You want to bin off Perez after less than six months? Did Jamie Vardy teach you nothing I admit, it may be moving on from him prematurely. You don't think Zaha would be an upgrade? I'd be fine keeping Ayoze, I'm curious what he might look like as a striker for us. Happy to send Demi + 45 mill or whatever. Though Demi has been more valuable as a substitute than Ayoze has been as a starter.
ScouseFox Posted 18 December 2019 Posted 18 December 2019 i’m just really sad he’s getting nailed because i think he could be and want him to be the best player we’ve ever had 1
Popular Post Le Renard Posted 18 December 2019 Popular Post Posted 18 December 2019 1 year ago.......Bring back Barnes from the baggies he's the best thing since sliced bread. Fast forward 1 year.....Barnes is crap, get rid! People need to get of his back and let him develop, he is still young and needs time! This reminds me of the Chilwell debate at the beginning of the season when some people wanted to get rid!!! 5
TazzerFox Posted 18 December 2019 Posted 18 December 2019 I think some people are getting a little defensive over Barnes which is understandable but I think they are taking the criticism as if people are saying hes a shit player and hes never going to be good enough for us which I don't think is the case at all with what a lot of people are saying. For me personally its a case of, I think he probably will be good enough in the long run and I'm happy for him to keep getting chances but if we realistically want to compete with the top guys in the division we can't be regularly starting him. I suppose it depends how ambitious you want to be really but where you can make an argument for nearly all our first 11 to be able to force themselves into one of the current top 4 teams or be similar in talent level I don't think you can do that for any of our wingers and that's what I think people are getting at. 3
Guest An Sionnach Posted 18 December 2019 Posted 18 December 2019 (edited) Both Barnes and Perez are quality footballers , both are more complete players than Gray or Albrighton . If they had scored two or three more goals each we would not be having this conversation. Impatience with them is understandable but we have to keep the faith. Idle talk about buying replacements won't wash , this is not a computer game, quality forwards are rare and cost a fortune. Taking a punt on a player who might fit the bill is a gamble not worth pursuing I.m.o. I still think we should get a veteran forward at a relatively small cost to give us another option and help our young forwards. Edited 18 December 2019 by An Sionnach
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