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1 hour ago, Chrysalis said:

I read the need time a lot, but no one who says this never says how much time.

 

So the question is how much time?

 

It is interesting you consider a year not very long.

 

Also another question, does a players development come ahead the needs of the team?

 

I suspect the second question wont get answered as I have asked it 3 times on FT already with no answer.

A year isn't very long, especially when he doesn't start every week and three months of the year has been under a different manager.

 

I'd consider a season of first team football a long time; a season is different to a year.

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Whilst we have no obviously better alternative then we might as well stick with him and see if he can get himself some confidence. Up until last weekend he has played a part in this side even without the goals. Last thing he needs is everyone on social media and more importantly in the ground getting on his back.

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14 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

You think we have only had one poor match and only struggled to score in one game?

 

Which cave have you been in for the past month?

How many goals have we scored in the last month? 

 

Now look at most other teams. They're the ones struggling to score. Last match we scored 4 and by all accounts it could have been more. 

 

I'll ignore your insult and treat it as projection. 

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He's not keeping out players better than him and unless we sign a top drawer winger next month then I believe in the process that Rodgers and his staff are implementing with Barnes. I've never wanted a player to be a success here as much as Barnes but there seems to be a feeling that he's destined to fall just short for us. I've felt this since he was exceptional in League One and then immediately stepped up and did well at Barnsley and yet came back to us and against League One opposition in the FA Cup and looked lost.

 

Just want him to get a few goals in quick succession and see if it makes him settle down, I'm confident of every other part of his game. The movement issue seems borne out of a lack of belief.

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2 hours ago, Koke said:

People forget he was playing Championship football until Puel brought him back last January. So he's basically had less than 12 months at Premier League level. Cant expect a 21 year to jump from Championship to a team with top 4/title aspirations. On top of that his general play is actually very good, superb footwork and link up play, decent assist numbers.

 

Harvey Barnes is over achieving at the moment. Cant remember last time someone made such a huge jump in levels and still slotted in quite smoothly. Yes he has room to grow and his finishing is surprisingly not what I expected but overall l am very happy with him so far in his City career.

In his first 16 games (11(5)) he's managed 1 goal and 4 assists; 4 assists when starting and 1 goal from the subs bench. 

Comparing it that to Mahrez's first season, 25 starts and 5 sub appearances led to 4 goals and 3 assists; so his first season isn't going too badly for a similar position.

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2 minutes ago, JJS84 said:

some of the comments in here are laughable, the kid is clearly talented, but is going through a period of poor form. i do hope the club doesnt send him out of loan, and they work with him to get him back to being a starter again.

 

some of the comments though, makes you wonder if the people making them actually support city at all. baffling.

The club will not send him out on loan. Surely that's obvious? He is in our best 11 so far this season!

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

 

I havent came to that conclusion yet, remember when kane was been sent out on loan struggling even in the championship.

 

There is some quality with barnes, but I am 50/50 on if he can make it in the EPL, and I do think he needs to either have another loan to practice his shooting or be told to stop shooting at every chance.  However Rodgers is a manager who wants the goals spread around so I think barnes will be allowed more time to try and get on top of it.

He already has for a team 2nd in the league....what a bizarre comment

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I’m gonna give him all the patience

in the world as a fan. He’s got so much potential and we can all see it, it’ll click on day for him and when it does this forum will go into meltdown.

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Harvey Barnes would be better if chillwell gave him the ball sooner than when he’s got two players on him, chilly needs to give him the ball early and go on the overlap and allow Barnes to cut inside more.

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Honestly, the more I watch them together, the less I think Barnes and Chilwell click. It seems like Chilwell is always missing him w passes and complaining about him on the pitch. He may be the "young guy" on the squad this season, and may be getting some stick from his "elders" as a consequence.

 

Fact is, Barnes is critical to our style of play even if he isn't scoring. He demands serious defensive attention, he can turn the corner on defenders and can make them pay for shading away from him. His ability to keep defenses honest forces the opposing defense to play with width, so if they paying extra attn to Vards or Maddison, it leaves them poorly spaced and opens the channel to allow Chilwell to make his runs. Oh, and he obviously leads the team in assists. He is a valuable player for us even without scoring goals (he is on pace for a 10+ assist season) and he has gotten rather unlucky with his goal-scoring, he has the ability to turn into a 15-goal player in the Prem, the talent is there, he just needs more seasoning and some bloody confidence. We have to invest in him now, let him continue improving on the pitch, and we will wind up with a player doing 10 and 10 in the next couple seasons, which would make him one of the most effective wingers in the league. 

 

Starting him against Everton might be one way of helping him get that confidence, incidentally. If they start a lesser side, he could really showcase his abilities. Let's keep supporting the lad.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Stadt said:

@Ric Flairalways brings up that he’s looked more dangerous on the right, it should probably be tried out more often

If we did that we could bring in Zaha on the left. We need a goal-scoring wing, Perez doesn't look like that is what he is, but if Chelsea don't make the big move for Zaha, perhaps we can offer Perez and 40 mill or something, see if that appeal to CP. I've suggested Demi and 50 mill+ for cash in the past as well. We need a truly special player up front to join Vardy, if we can manage it without ruining our salary structure, we should make every effort. 

 

Failing that, I am definitely intrigued by Jarrod Bowen of Hull City. Let's see the backroom boys close that ASAP.

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For Barnes read Chilwell. Same old same old. If he or Chilwell had been the finished article they would have been several years older and we couldn't afford them. It's how we work now and how it will continue to work. As a rough guess, those same impatient fans that got on Chilwell's back are probably the same ones whining about Barnes. Those same ones will be bleating when he succeeds like Chilwell and there are rumours of him leaving for a 'bigger' club. Now is the time he needs our support, not when he's leaving amongst accusations of lack of loyalty, it cuts both ways.

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58 minutes ago, vanity said:

If we did that we could bring in Zaha on the left. We need a goal-scoring wing, Perez doesn't look like that is what he is, but if Chelsea don't make the big move for Zaha, perhaps we can offer Perez and 40 mill or something, see if that appeal to CP. I've suggested Demi and 50 mill+ for cash in the past as well. We need a truly special player up front to join Vardy, if we can manage it without ruining our salary structure, we should make every effort. 

 

Failing that, I am definitely intrigued by Jarrod Bowen of Hull City. Let's see the backroom boys close that ASAP.

What have you seen from Zaha to suggest that he's any more of a goalscorer than Perez?

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4 minutes ago, Guest said:

What have you seen from Zaha to suggest that he's any more of a goalscorer than Perez?

do ypu actually watch football?

If Leicester get Zaha in Jan, it really would announce to the football world, our intentions, there could be no better statement.

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Just now, treer said:

do ypu actually watch football?

If Leicester get Zaha n Jan, it really would announce to the football world, our intentions, there could be no better staement.

I was questioning the suggestion that Perez isn't a goal-scoring winger but Zaha is when their scoring records over the last couple of years are very similar. Is that OK? 

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1 hour ago, vanity said:

If we did that we could bring in Zaha on the left. We need a goal-scoring wing, Perez doesn't look like that is what he is, but if Chelsea don't make the big move for Zaha, perhaps we can offer Perez and 40 mill or something, see if that appeal to CP. I've suggested Demi and 50 mill+ for cash in the past as well. We need a truly special player up front to join Vardy, if we can manage it without ruining our salary structure, we should make every effort. 

 

Failing that, I am definitely intrigued by Jarrod Bowen of Hull City. Let's see the backroom boys close that ASAP.

You want to bin off Perez after less than six months? 

 

Did Jamie Vardy teach you nothing

 

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would he be receptive to City though?

At the moment surely Leicester (disregaring Manc and , Livarpool are the best option for him

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4 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Did Jamie Vardy teach you nothing

 vardy is a once in a football clubs lifetime, and even then a magnificent one in a million fluke using him for comparisons is just a non starter

Like Barca finding Messi

 

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40 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

Can't see anybody coming or going , certainly not till next summer. When top premiership teams try to buy they get screwed ask Man. Utd.

 

 

we’ll be getting a couple in during January, i think

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