Harvey Barnes

[los dedos]

2 hours ago, FOXSE said:

I can't believe Liverpool made him their club record signing.... 

Why can't you ?

[FOXSE]

1 hour ago, los dedos said:

Why can't you ?

Just based on what the guy said about heskey. If he was as average as described,  just curious why Liverpool would pay a club record fee for a 22 year old....

[shade]

I haven't been this excited by a Barnes since I saw John being interviewed on SKY about racism, sitting in his bed.

[hackneyfox]

4 hours ago, Sampson said:

 

 

It's the same with Steve Walsh. You get plenty on here saying he was better than Morgan, Huth; Evans or Soyuncu. I loved Walsh, he was here for years, he had iconic moments, I totally get why people love him and romanticise him - because there's more to being loved at a club than ability. But in terms of ability, he clearly wasn't as consistently ood as the likes of Morgan,Huth, Evans or Soyuncu at their peaks. To me, that's not talking Walsh down, that's talking Morgan, Huth, Evans and Soyuncu down - and when people say Barnes is our best/most exciting youth product since Heskey or Joachim, that's talking Barnes down.

Morgan has been a fantastic captain for us but he's not in the same category as Huth or Soyuncu.

[los dedos]

1 hour ago, FOXSE said:

Just based on what the guy said about heskey. If he was as average as described,  just curious why Liverpool would pay a club record fee for a 22 year old....

Ok, me and you are on the same page then .

[Raw Dykes]

2 hours ago, Collymore said:

It was his young age that that made Heskey amazing. He made world class defenders look like toys during that 96/97 season. 

 

When Heskey was in full song at 19 there was no team in the world that could handle him. I don't think I've seen an academy graduate have such an impact since at such a young age and possibly will never again. 

 

He regressed into a 62 capped full international. 

Huh?

[deep blue]

What i find mystifying, Sampson, is your assertion that Heskey was inconsistent.  I have always thought of him as someone who produced match after match, and he was a fantastic selfless team player.  As for his technical ability, he is often maligned as being clumsy for some reason I don't understand.  As an example of his skill - the backheel, after chasing down a long lofted punt (from Parker, I think), which sent the ball back towards the penalty spot to be gobbled up by Claridge.  This occurred in a midweek cup match v Man U at Filbo, but was never given the appreciation by the media as the match was largely ignored.  As an avid Leicester fan I'm sure you must remember it.

 

It also begs the question - if his performances were inconsistent, why was he picked early and regularly for the England team, and why did Liverpool pay a fortune for him?

[Spiritwalker]

On 21/02/2021 at 18:03, foxes_rule1978 said:

Always a player when on the ball you get excited, he makes things happen has all the attributes needed to be truly world class. 

When he first broke into the team he was nowhere near the level he is now, but even then I would 

always be out of my seat when he was on the ball.

[Rain King]

Heskey was brilliant for us. Maybe gets the inconsistent tag because he wasn't a prolific scorer but watch back any highlights from that time and it's staggering how many goals he was involved in.

 

Loved Heskey and love Barnes too!

[Old Fox]

45 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

Morgan has been a fantastic captain for us but he's not in the same category as Huth or Soyuncu.

Morgan was head and shoulders above both in my opinion....Cags has the potential and Huth was a warrior but Wes led by example, a dressing room king and widely respected as a fantastic leader but also boy could he play plus was quicker than given credit for. The year we won the league he was absolutely tremendous at both ends of the pitch.

 

Hopefully he remains within the club as he is a role model and his experience will be invaluable for us to retain.

 

 

[Ric Flair]

3 hours ago, Babylon said:

It's not crap, Barnes need to beat his numbers and then do it again next season. Then there is a discussion to be had. If we are making bold statement about x y z player then I'll measure it in years and not months. 

 

It's also relative, what would Heskey have done in this team? Let alone a 23 year old Heskey. 

 

And just to clarify, I've only joined this since you said "Barnes is clearly better than Heskey was and much better than Joachim." I have no idea how this started or what else has been said. 

To be honest Barnes is a winger and I'd expect him to score 10+ a season and assist another 10 or so too, Heskey was unplayable at times but his goals and assists for us weren't anything special. 

[Babylon]

Just now, Ric Flair said:

To be honest Barnes is a winger and I'd expect him to score 10+ a season and assist another 10 or so too, Heskey was unplayable at times but his goals and assists for us weren't anything special. 

For a lad his age they were in a mid table team. It’s highly probable Barnes keeps this up and it’s not even a discussion, but he has to keep it up. 

[FoxOnWheels]

Think he’s been fantastic this season but I worry about the hype building around him as more teams will take note of him and he does tend to cut inside 9/10 times and could be predictable

[Spiritwalker]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

To be honest Barnes is a winger and I'd expect him to score 10+ a season and assist another 10 or so too, Heskey was unplayable at times but his goals and assists for us weren't anything special. 

Heskey was greatly appreciated by all his strike partners who profited from playing alongside him.

[Sampson]

1 hour ago, hackneyfox said:

Morgan has been a fantastic captain for us but he's not in the same category as Huth or Soyuncu.

Nah. Morgan in 15/16 was the best individual season any Leicester centre-back has ever had, hands down - he was the best defender in the country for an entire season, which I don't think any other Leicester defender has ever come close to being really.

For some reason people seem to like to historically revision it to say it was Huth who was the better of the two, while I'm not doubting Huth's influence or that Huth played a massive role in both the great escape and title winning campaign, because he did. But Huth had a shaky start to the title winning season and was at fault for a few goals early on, when Morgan was absolutely faultless all season. I'm sure if you go back to the match ratings from 15/16 you'd see Morgan had a significantly higher average rating than Huth (as well as higher than both Soyuncu and Evans last season) because he was faultless the whole season, while Huth had a shaky start. Soyunchu also had a dodgy spell last season after Christmas for a few games and was pretty poor for all the games after the restart (as were most of our team). Not saying Soyuncu or Huth aren't great, but Morgan's peak in 15/16 was just relentlessly consistent to a point that no other Leicester defender has ever been and no other defender in the country was at the time either and was consistently better than either of their peaks so far - Soyuncu could still overtake it of course

 

41 minutes ago, deep blue said:

What i find mystifying, Sampson, is your assertion that Heskey was inconsistent.  I have always thought of him as someone who produced match after match, and he was a fantastic selfless team player.  As for his technical ability, he is often maligned as being clumsy for some reason I don't understand.  As an example of his skill - the backheel, after chasing down a long lofted punt (from Parker, I think), which sent the ball back towards the penalty spot to be gobbled up by Claridge.  This occurred in a midweek cup match v Man U at Filbo, but was never given the appreciation by the media as the match was largely ignored.  As an avid Leicester fan I'm sure you must remember it.

 

It also begs the question - if his performances were inconsistent, why was he picked early and regularly for the England team, and why did Liverpool pay a fortune for him?

I didn't say anything about his lack of skill, don't think anyone has, he absolutely was a skilful player at his best. He *was* clumsy though, without doubt the most frustrating thing about Heskey was always how powerful and strong he was when he wanted to be, but how little he used that and how often he went down easily, lost a battle of strength or was pushed off the ball by players who were much smaller than him, particularly when it came to aerial battles and 50/50 challenges.

I'd say one thing that Barnes does do most noticeably over Heskey is Barnes uses his strength much better, more effectively and is a more consistently "powerful" player despite not having the frame or potential upper-body strength that Heskey had.

Edited 22 February 2021 by Sampson

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, Sampson said:

Nah. Morgan in 15/16 was the best individual season any Leicester centre-back has ever had, hands down - he was the best defender in the country for an entire season, which I don't think any other Leicester defender has ever come close to being really.

For some reason people seem to like to historically revision it to say it was Huth who was the better of the two, while I'm not doubting Huth's influence or that Huth played a massive role in both the great escape and title winning campaign, because he did. But Huth had a shaky start to the title winning season and was at fault for a few goals early on, when Morgan was absolutely faultless all season. I'm sure if you go back to the match ratings from 15/16 you'd see Morgan had a significantly higher average rating than Huth (as well as higher than both Soyuncu and Evans last season) because he was faultless the whole season, while Huth had a shaky start. Soyunchu also had a dodgy spell last season after Christmas for a few games and was pretty poor for all the games after the restart (as were most of our team). Not saying Soyuncu or Huth aren't great, but Morgan's peak in 15/16 was just relentlessly consistent to a point that no other Leicester defender has ever been and no other defender in the country was at the time either and was consistently better than either of their peaks so far - Soyuncu could still overtake it of course

 

I didn't say anything about his lack of skill, don't think anyone has, he absolutely was a skilful player at his best. He *was* clumsy though, without doubt the most frustrating thing about Heskey was always how powerful and strong he was when he wanted to be, but how little he used that and how often he went down easily, lost a battle of strength or was pushed off the ball by players who were much smaller than him, particularly when it came to aerial battles and 50/50 challenges.

I'd say one thing that Barnes does do most noticeably over Heskey is Barnes uses his strength much better, more effectively and is a more consistently "powerful" player despite not having the frame or potential upper-body strength that Heskey had.

Checked one website and Morgan rated 7.07 for 2015/16 and Huth 7.15

 

Both were colossal both individually and collectively. Both scored important goals as well. 

[Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo]

6 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Checked one website and Morgan rated 7.07 for 2015/16 and Huth 7.15

 

Both were colossal both individually and collectively. Both scored important goals as well. 

 

Huth must have got the extra 0.08 for that free kick against Stoke

[Collymore]

2 hours ago, Raw Dykes said:

Huh?

I was trying to pay him a complement and emphasise just how good he was in his early days. 

Edited 22 February 2021 by Collymore

[Raw Dykes]

34 minutes ago, Collymore said:

I was trying to pay him a complement and emphasise just how good he was in his early days. 

I see. Flew over my head!

[Collymore]

Just now, Raw Dykes said:

I see. Flew over my head!

It flew over mine too when I read it back but see the point I was trying to make because it was me.

[brookfox]

3 hours ago, Sampson said:

Nah. Morgan in 15/16 was the best individual season any Leicester centre-back has ever had, hands down - he was the best defender in the country for an entire season, which I don't think any other Leicester defender has ever come close to being really.

He played so well Harry Redknapp was tipping him for an England call up!

[Gubbins]

3 hours ago, Sampson said:

Nah. Morgan in 15/16 was the best individual season any Leicester centre-back has ever had, hands down - he was the best defender in the country for an entire season, which I don't think any other Leicester defender has ever come close to being really.

For some reason people seem to like to historically revision it to say it was Huth who was the better of the two, while I'm not doubting Huth's influence or that Huth played a massive role in both the great escape and title winning campaign, because he did. But Huth had a shaky start to the title winning season and was at fault for a few goals early on, when Morgan was absolutely faultless all season. I'm sure if you go back to the match ratings from 15/16 you'd see Morgan had a significantly higher average rating than Huth (as well as higher than both Soyuncu and Evans last season) because he was faultless the whole season, while Huth had a shaky start. Soyunchu also had a dodgy spell last season after Christmas for a few games and was pretty poor for all the games after the restart (as were most of our team). Not saying Soyuncu or Huth aren't great, but Morgan's peak in 15/16 was just relentlessly consistent to a point that no other Leicester defender has ever been and no other defender in the country was at the time either and was consistently better than either of their peaks so far - Soyuncu could still overtake it of course

 

I didn't say anything about his lack of skill, don't think anyone has, he absolutely was a skilful player at his best. He *was* clumsy though, without doubt the most frustrating thing about Heskey was always how powerful and strong he was when he wanted to be, but how little he used that and how often he went down easily, lost a battle of strength or was pushed off the ball by players who were much smaller than him, particularly when it came to aerial battles and 50/50 challenges.

I'd say one thing that Barnes does do most noticeably over Heskey is Barnes uses his strength much better, more effectively and is a more consistently "powerful" player despite not having the frame or potential upper-body strength that Heskey had.

I think Morgan fouled up for a goal in one of the early season 2 all draws (Southampton away?) but other than that I totally agree. He was insanely good that season, the 4th best player behind Vardy, Kante and Mahrez and our greatest CB ever. I remember thinking at one point that he was as good that season as he was the season we were promoted but playing now obviously at a much higher level. Huth wasnt far behind him though and I think 2 goals in our best performance and the only goal in perhaps our most important win does sway a lot of people into thinking he was the better of the 2.

[moore_94]

 

Leicester are in advanced talks over a new deal with Harvey Barnes as they look to fend off interest from a growing number of clubs.

 

The 23-year-old has been one of the Foxes’ star performers this season and the club want to reward his progress by bringing him into line with other top earners.

 

Barnes, whose side face Arsenal today, has scored 13 goals and chipped in with four assists, and become an integral part of Brendan Rodgers’ plans.

 

Manchester United and Liverpool have both had the midfielder watched, and Leicester want to nip speculation over his future in the bud by tying him down long term to the King Power Stadium.

 

The player came through the ranks at the East Midlands club and is happy there, and is ready to commit to the new deal.

 

His current deal has three years to run from the end of this season but does not reflect his status at the club.

Edited 27 February 2021 by moore_94

[Corky]

On 22/02/2021 at 20:16, Babylon said:

For a lad his age they were in a mid table team. It’s highly probable Barnes keeps this up and it’s not even a discussion, but he has to keep it up. 

Heskey's finishing with us was always erratic but the amount of work he put in for others was immeasurable. He was taking on three players at once at times, others had loads of space because of it.

[StriderHiryu]

4 hours ago, moore_94 said:

 

Leicester are in advanced talks over a new deal with Harvey Barnes as they look to fend off interest from a growing number of clubs.

 

The 23-year-old has been one of the Foxes’ star performers this season and the club want to reward his progress by bringing him into line with other top earners.

 

Barnes, whose side face Arsenal today, has scored 13 goals and chipped in with four assists, and become an integral part of Brendan Rodgers’ plans.

 

Manchester United and Liverpool have both had the midfielder watched, and Leicester want to nip speculation over his future in the bud by tying him down long term to the King Power Stadium.

 

The player came through the ranks at the East Midlands club and is happy there, and is ready to commit to the new deal.

 

His current deal has three years to run from the end of this season but does not reflect his status at the club.

Absolutely necessarily, he's currently our best player and probably worth around 60m given he's English. As the man most likely to take over from Vardy as our primary offensive outlet, we've got to tie him up!