Countryfox Posted 29 June 2019 Posted 29 June 2019 ... brilliant !! Sounds like Div 1 might be calling ....
Beliall Posted 29 June 2019 Posted 29 June 2019 all the managers they have gone through and that's the first time they thought up that headline
Countryfox Posted 29 June 2019 Posted 29 June 2019 Probably nearer the truth than the ‘dinosaur’ scenario ...
AyewJoking Posted 29 June 2019 Posted 29 June 2019 6 hours ago, wokinghamfox said: Martin the Messiah will be back. Probably the greatest City manager of all time. Achieved loads with little to no cash and will never forget that Spurs home game where we were begging him to stay. Would love to see him back in some form of capacity. People saying he is past it have very short memories. Can you not remember how great a manager Martin once was but also have an opinion he is now past it???
Mark Posted 29 June 2019 Posted 29 June 2019 6 hours ago, Gerard said: Can't be many managers sacked in late June. Both times Pearson left us were on the last few days of June, something to do with contracts I'd guess.
volpeazzurro Posted 29 June 2019 Posted 29 June 2019 Feel very sad about this. Martin was brilliant for us against all odds, great era. He took over a bunch of underachieving flops yet they deem him not good enough as manager? Possibly under him and Keane they got told a few home truths and had to work a lot harder. Don't think any of them are particularly good enough to complain are they? Think most of them deserve shipping out before the manager, but there again I probably in fairness take an old fashioned out of kilter view. Martin O'Neil is a very bright man and I believe would only play games and use tactics comensurate with the quality he has to hand in order to win games. You can't play champagne and oyster football with beer and chips players.
Stoopid Posted 30 June 2019 Posted 30 June 2019 Roy Keane's departure put O'Neill in a vulnerable position. Clearly, a bunch of senior players - the same ones (largely) who saw off Karanka - just weren't having him. And there's a well-worn path from the dressing-room to the owner. Never thought I'd say this, but - I'm beginning to feel a bit sorry for Forest fans. It's not their fault their club is a shambles... On the other hand, f@@k em!
Wymsey Posted 30 June 2019 Posted 30 June 2019 Remember the 'Martin O'Neill is at the Belfry now' or something thread, not to long before Ranieri arrived? If it was true he was there at the time with LCFC representatives, accepted the offer but got sacked, can imagine many saying 'he's behind the times' etc. Don't agree with the 'behind the times' element, with regards to managers; look at Neil Warnock at Cardiff and Roy Hodgson at Crystal Palace - both are the oldest football managers going and have been quite a success with their respective clubs. Regarding O'Neill, thing his actions and decision-making etc are more down to his well-known stubbornness and reluctance to change things for the benefit of the team at Forest.
TonyN11 Posted 30 June 2019 Posted 30 June 2019 On 29/06/2019 at 10:12, Countryfox said: ... brilliant !! Sounds like Div 1 might be calling ....
adam1 Posted 30 June 2019 Posted 30 June 2019 In the late 90s his style of football worked. The game has moved on.
Captain... Posted 1 July 2019 Posted 1 July 2019 13 hours ago, adam1 said: In the late 90s his style of football worked. The game has moved on. I don’t know if it is his style of football, Dyche and Warnock are still making 90s football work, but his approach will feel very alien to modern footballers. He was very hands off during the week, players wouldn’t see him Robertson was their mate who would do all the training. Then match day came and he would come in command authority pick the team get them fired up then he’d disappear again until the next game. He’s an old school manger who wants to be in charge of all parts of a club. A lot of “managers” are just head coaches and don’t have a huge say in the running of the club/transfers/etc. If they were expecting a head coach who is at the training ground everyday they would have been sorely disappointed, if Keane was taking the training and the board were doing everything else then what was O’Neill doing all week? Anyone who is looking to hire a manager should do some basic background research into their managerial styles and not just pick them because they played for the club once.
murphy Posted 1 July 2019 Posted 1 July 2019 I don't think that anyone can rush to judgements about O'Neill being out of date and failing based on the Forest job. He was never given the chance to establish his own team playing in the style he wanted, we will never know if he would have succeeded but I think he would have. O'Neill's real strength in my opinion is not in his tactics but in his man management and huge charisma. I think he can get average players playing beyond their expectations and apparent limits.
Blue ROI Posted 1 July 2019 Posted 1 July 2019 It's sad how it's gone for O'Nell since the 5-1 defeat to Denmark. He was perfect for us at the time and that 10 years with us and Celtic was his heyday. Villa who were a big draw at the time was where he lost a bit of his magic. The first club where he didn't live up to expectations and had dire consequences for AV down the road. He didn't do a bad job with Ireland I felt. 1 major tournament and another playoff. He missed out on Ireland's young golden generation of 97-98. Had he taken over from Mick Mccarthy in 2003 Ireland wouldn't have had such a dreadful 5 years that followed. Not sure what happened at Forest but I'd say no party comes out of it well. Plenty of blame across all sides. Not our problem though. Thankfully we left that behind us 10 years ago.
Guest Posted 1 July 2019 Posted 1 July 2019 44 minutes ago, murphy said: I don't think that anyone can rush to judgements about O'Neill being out of date and failing based on the Forest job. He was never given the chance to establish his own team playing in the style he wanted, we will never know if he would have succeeded but I think he would have. O'Neill's real strength in my opinion is not in his tactics but in his man management and huge charisma. I think he can get average players playing beyond their expectations and apparent limits. Based on the Forest job alone, no, but the last job of his I think you can consider an unqualified success was Celtic and he left that nearly 15 years ago. Villa he broadly did well but the level of spending (not necessarily all his fault) harmed them in the long run without anything tangible to show for it. Sunderland he started well but they collapsed the following season and he was sacked after 8 winless games and a point above the bottom three. Ireland he did coax some great results out of a pretty limited bunch but him and Keane ended up souring the atmosphere and some of the stories about training and match preparation made it sound pretty amateurish. His man management capabilities aren't in question but it could be that he's finding, like Mourinho has to an extent, that he's now having to deal with a totally different breed of player and his methods don't have the impact they used to. Combine that with the apparently very turgid football his teams have been playing recently and it does look like his best days are well behind him.
Babylon Posted 1 July 2019 Posted 1 July 2019 On 30/06/2019 at 11:09, Lovejoy said: Jorge Mendes running both Forest and Wolves? I think we know which one is giving him the best brown envelopes... one club signed Neves, the other Mad Benny.
Nod.E Posted 1 July 2019 Posted 1 July 2019 On 29/06/2019 at 01:21, Sampson said: Not really. He spent A LOT of money at Villa when they were trying to push for the top 4 and he could never finish ahead of Eveeton who spent a lot less or 6th in the end and a lot of their recent issues came from gos overspending and signing mediocre players on huge, long contracts. Definitely can't say he overrachirved at Villa. What do his previous email management habits have to do with anything?
murphy Posted 1 July 2019 Posted 1 July 2019 6 hours ago, Guest said: Based on the Forest job alone, no, but the last job of his I think you can consider an unqualified success was Celtic and he left that nearly 15 years ago. Villa he broadly did well but the level of spending (not necessarily all his fault) harmed them in the long run without anything tangible to show for it. Sunderland he started well but they collapsed the following season and he was sacked after 8 winless games and a point above the bottom three. Ireland he did coax some great results out of a pretty limited bunch but him and Keane ended up souring the atmosphere and some of the stories about training and match preparation made it sound pretty amateurish. His man management capabilities aren't in question but it could be that he's finding, like Mourinho has to an extent, that he's now having to deal with a totally different breed of player and his methods don't have the impact they used to. Combine that with the apparently very turgid football his teams have been playing recently and it does look like his best days are well behind him. I think that's a harsh assessment. At Villa he had three consecutive sixth place finishes and a league cup final. After he left they struggled as a bottom half team until relegation a couple of years ago. Sunderland are a strange club, he finished 13th and 17th but then they hadn't had a top half finish since 2001. Everyone seemed to fail there until they were relegated three years later. Personally I don't see anything that tells me he's finished as a manager, but then I'm biased. Always loved him.
Swiss_tony Posted 1 July 2019 Posted 1 July 2019 He has a thin skin and a fragile ego (he never forgot those first 12 games with us), and hasn't been the same since Robertson turned him down at Sunderland. Like Clough without Taylor. Here's a good analysis, if the link shows ... https://www.the42.ie/martin-oneill-republic-of-ireland-4292175-Oct2018/
KP Fox Posted 1 July 2019 Posted 1 July 2019 On 30/06/2019 at 21:10, adam1 said: In the late 90s his style of football worked. The game has moved on. Well his style worked for us after the 90s because he won us the League Cup in the 21st century and by doing so got us into Europe again. He then went on to win 7 trophies with Celtic not to mention taking them to the Uefa cup final. You are right the game has moved on - managers are not given even a full season to build a team while underperforming players can have influence on the club owners.
Vlad the Fox Posted 1 July 2019 Posted 1 July 2019 1 hour ago, KP Fox said: Well his style worked for us after the 90s because he won us the League Cup in the 21st century and by doing so got us into Europe again. He then went on to win 7 trophies with Celtic not to mention taking them to the Uefa cup final. You are right the game has moved on - managers are not given even a full season to build a team while underperforming players can have influence on the club owners. Bang average players ousting a manager to protect their own cushy underachieving careers, and weak/clueless owners who let it happen. Thank god Vichai saw the bigger picture and allowed Pearson to get rid of crap like danns when the changing room was trying to revolt against him.
Gamble92 Posted 2 July 2019 Posted 2 July 2019 On 29/06/2019 at 09:46, Foxandfolly said: I’ve been told by someone senior at a championship club (has interviewed MON twice) that he’s not the manager that we once had. He is so out of touch with the modern game and not particularly interested in it. I will never forget growing up with Martin’s team(s), he made Leicester City worth supporting, for which I’ll be eternally grateful; but as a club a manager he won’t ever repeat those highs. I dont know why you think someone who's interviewed him twice is some sort of inside genius. Any dipstick can give that assessment of him.
HibiscusMark Posted 2 July 2019 Posted 2 July 2019 A club legend for sure...was it 3 top 10 finishes and 2 league cups during his reign? As for being outdated, who was the best performing team last season to play a 3-5-2 formation?
Mendi Posted 2 July 2019 Posted 2 July 2019 The the end of him as manager, i would say now. Harsh sacking but once, Roy Keane left the writing was on the wall for him.
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