Caglar Soyuncu

[moore_94]

1 minute ago, funkyrobot said:

We’ve only got Rodgers side. Can you really trust much of what comes out of his mouth these days? When so many other players form has dipped so significantly in sceptical. If Soyuncu has really checked out (and he gives no impression of that match day) then a strong manager would’ve moved him on. Look at Ten Hag at Man U,  Arteta at Arsenal. They both had difficult players and shipped them out quickly. 

I just think there has to be something from Soyuncu's side as well that has resulted in such little game time

 

Rodgers has brought Mendy in from the cold who had barely played until recently to try and deal with other players form dropping off and to change things, but not even giving Soyuncu a sniff makes me think it is isn't a simple "I don't like him"

 

We have tried to move him on and have said he is available, but we can't exactly do much if no one actually bids for him

 

 

Maybe he has just been happy enough to sit on a bench every week and then get a big pay off in the summer, he could've pushed for the move to Atletico or somewhere else in January if he really wanted to be playing as we wanted him out as well

 

I just think it is too easy with everything else going on to say it is all on Rodgers

 

[moore_94]

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-give-caglar-soyuncu-8260387
 

Brendan Rodgers will give Caglar Soyuncu new Leicester City opportunity on one condition

 

The door remains open for Caglar Soyuncu to regain his Leicester City place – but only if he trains to an acceptable level.
 

Asked if there was a route back into the side for Soyuncu, Rodgers said: “Yes, by training at the highest level. It’s been a real difficult one for him because I think he’s probably thought his future is away from here.
 

“Everything about him in terms of his behaviour and everything else has been fine but I’ve sensed that he thought he was moving on. I judge in training because you can’t be switched off from training and think you can just come back into the Premier League. It just doesn’t happen.
 

“ It was for those same reasons why I put him in the team. When I first came in he wasn’t in the squad but I could see that desire, commitment and quality in training, so when we lost Harry (Maguire) and the talk was about who we’re going to get in, I had seen him in training and thought this guy deserves a chance.

 

“He came in and in that first season he was excellent. But like I’ve said before, it’s about consistency in performance and mentality. He’s a great guy who has slipped from his level for a number of reasons.

“Any player if they’re performing to a level in training, they will always get the opportunity. If not, it’s very difficult. You can’t just click your fingers, not train well and not be at your best level and then be thrown into a Premier League game.”

[Daggers]

3 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-give-caglar-soyuncu-8260387
 

Brendan Rodgers will give Caglar Soyuncu new Leicester City opportunity on one condition

 

The door remains open for Caglar Soyuncu to regain his Leicester City place – but only if he trains to an acceptable level.
 

Asked if there was a route back into the side for Soyuncu, Rodgers said: “Yes, by training at the highest level. It’s been a real difficult one for him because I think he’s probably thought his future is away from here.
 

“Everything about him in terms of his behaviour and everything else has been fine but I’ve sensed that he thought he was moving on. I judge in training because you can’t be switched off from training and think you can just come back into the Premier League. It just doesn’t happen.
 

“ It was for those same reasons why I put him in the team. When I first came in he wasn’t in the squad but I could see that desire, commitment and quality in training, so when we lost Harry (Maguire) and the talk was about who we’re going to get in, I had seen him in training and thought this guy deserves a chance.

 

“He came in and in that first season he was excellent. But like I’ve said before, it’s about consistency in performance and mentality. He’s a great guy who has slipped from his level for a number of reasons.

“Any player if they’re performing to a level in training, they will always get the opportunity. If not, it’s very difficult. You can’t just click your fingers, not train well and not be at your best level and then be thrown into a Premier League game.”

Dear Brendo, please fvck off. Pleeeeeeeeease. 

[Stuntman_Mike]

5 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-give-caglar-soyuncu-8260387
 

Brendan Rodgers will give Caglar Soyuncu new Leicester City opportunity on one condition

 

The door remains open for Caglar Soyuncu to regain his Leicester City place – but only if he trains to an acceptable level.
 

Asked if there was a route back into the side for Soyuncu, Rodgers said: “Yes, by training at the highest level. It’s been a real difficult one for him because I think he’s probably thought his future is away from here.
 

“Everything about him in terms of his behaviour and everything else has been fine but I’ve sensed that he thought he was moving on. I judge in training because you can’t be switched off from training and think you can just come back into the Premier League. It just doesn’t happen.
 

“ It was for those same reasons why I put him in the team. When I first came in he wasn’t in the squad but I could see that desire, commitment and quality in training, so when we lost Harry (Maguire) and the talk was about who we’re going to get in, I had seen him in training and thought this guy deserves a chance.

 

“He came in and in that first season he was excellent. But like I’ve said before, it’s about consistency in performance and mentality. He’s a great guy who has slipped from his level for a number of reasons.

“Any player if they’re performing to a level in training, they will always get the opportunity. If not, it’s very difficult. You can’t just click your fingers, not train well and not be at your best level and then be thrown into a Premier League game.”

Coming from a guy that plays Amartey and Ward 

[LCFCJohn]

One condition that is completely unsubstantiated and up to Rodgers what he deems ‘acceptable’. I.e I’m not going to play him but blame it on him. Unusual for Rodgers to blame someone else though 

[Chelmofox]

Only training well enough to get a game against Man City. Bell end.

[davieG]

12 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

One condition that is completely unsubstantiated and up to Rodgers what he deems ‘acceptable’. I.e I’m not going to play him but blame it on him. Unusual for Rodgers to blame someone else though 

Time to repost this

 

If the cap fits.......

 

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[Fox92]

He obviously switches off in training like he does in games.

[StanSP]

He probably gives a higher standard for Soyuncu to reach compared to other players, if those like Amartey and Soumare continue to play... 

 

It's speculative (but not by a lot) but I think he just doesn't like Soyuncu. He seems quite strong-willed and will speak his mind so perhaps he's questioned Rodgers on more than one occasion and Rodgers clearly doesn't like his decisions or authority questioned. Therefore frozen out. To the club's detriment as well as Soyuncu. 

 

[Dames]

There is probably an element of truth to the fact that Cags probably sees himself at a bigger club and is disappointed he isn't there already but its scandalous that a manager that earns 10 million pounds a year cannot manage this situation and has essentially let a 50 million pound asset walk away for free because he's frozen him out for 2 seasons as he can't manage the situation.

 

 

[Hinckleyfox]

I'm no Brendan lover but why do people assume that he's lying here? Why do people assume that Soyuncu is some sort of warrior in training and poor Cags is sat on the bench because of naughty Brendan?

 

Maybe his attitude in training is why he wasn't playing before Brendan came in. And actually I can imagine that Amartey IS someone who puts the effort in and shows the right attitude. 

Considering what players have said about him (past and present) BR does not seem the type to freeze people out for no good reason. 

Maybe I'm being naive 

[alanf0x]

It should be upto the manager to motivate the player, to get him firing and in that first team. 
 

Find it alarming that Cags will be off in the summer to a top European side, whilst Amartey signs a 2 year extension and is hailed as a hero for staying around on reduced 60k a week wages to lead the Championship charge next year

[funkyrobot]

1 hour ago, moore_94 said:

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-give-caglar-soyuncu-8260387
 

Brendan Rodgers will give Caglar Soyuncu new Leicester City opportunity on one condition

 

The door remains open for Caglar Soyuncu to regain his Leicester City place – but only if he trains to an acceptable level.
 

Asked if there was a route back into the side for Soyuncu, Rodgers said: “Yes, by training at the highest level. It’s been a real difficult one for him because I think he’s probably thought his future is away from here.
 

“Everything about him in terms of his behaviour and everything else has been fine but I’ve sensed that he thought he was moving on. I judge in training because you can’t be switched off from training and think you can just come back into the Premier League. It just doesn’t happen.
 

“ It was for those same reasons why I put him in the team. When I first came in he wasn’t in the squad but I could see that desire, commitment and quality in training, so when we lost Harry (Maguire) and the talk was about who we’re going to get in, I had seen him in training and thought this guy deserves a chance.

 

“He came in and in that first season he was excellent. But like I’ve said before, it’s about consistency in performance and mentality. He’s a great guy who has slipped from his level for a number of reasons.

“Any player if they’re performing to a level in training, they will always get the opportunity. If not, it’s very difficult. You can’t just click your fingers, not train well and not be at your best level and then be thrown into a Premier League game.”

If he’s not training correctly then wtf is he doing anywhere near the 1st team squad? I struggle to fathom how an experienced manager like Rodgers could allow this to happen for presumably the past two seasons. Surely he should’ve been talking and telling the player his concerns, understanding what issues he might have, giving him a target and if he’s still not pulling his weight, manage him out like any other employee in breach of their contract. At the very least shove him over to the u21’s with Vesty who has been punished for a far less serious issue than apparently not training properly which is what Cags has been effectively accused of.
 

Soyuncu isn’t a sick note, he’s not had any major injuries this season. If he wasn’t bothered he would’ve been claiming non specific niggles and strains but he’s not. Rodgers comes out spouting this about Soyuncu not realising that it says as much about his ability to manage a player as it does about the player. It reads like a deflection of any blame but actually it says everything about Rodgers and his mismanagement of this capable squad. 

[funkyrobot]

44 minutes ago, Hinckleyfox said:

I'm no Brendan lover but why do people assume that he's lying here? Why do people assume that Soyuncu is some sort of warrior in training and poor Cags is sat on the bench because of naughty Brendan?

 

Maybe his attitude in training is why he wasn't playing before Brendan came in. And actually I can imagine that Amartey IS someone who puts the effort in and shows the right attitude. 

Considering what players have said about him (past and present) BR does not seem the type to freeze people out for no good reason. 

Maybe I'm being naive 

At times over the past couple of years players likr Mendy, Praet, Gray, Vestergaard, Soyuncu, Soumare and even Ndidi would argue that he’s very much the type to freeze people out at times. 

[baldeagle]

13 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

At times over the past couple of years players likr Mendy, Praet, Gray, Vestergaard, Soyuncu, Soumare and even Ndidi would argue that he’s very much the type to freeze people out at times. 

All players that have had massive dips in form or are basically not very good . Look at Gray for instance he was poor under several managers not just Brendan 

[HankMarvin]

Rodgers clutching on to his job hopefully last chance saloon for himself, so he is going to exhaust all options at his disposal. 
 

[Glorious Leicester Fan]

 “training to an acceptable level” is such a vacuous, vague and subjective statement. I really wish Rodgers was more specific with his criticism of Soyuncu and highlighted the objective and measurable targets he is not reaching in training. 

 

Also, if Soyuncu is consistently not reaching his objective and measurable training targets over a significant period of time, WTF is he doing near the 1st team squad. It undermines Rodger’s authority and potentially damages team morale. 

Edited 17 March 2023 by Glorious Leicester Fan

[Fox92]

3 hours ago, alanf0x said:

It should be upto the manager to motivate the player, to get him firing and in that first team. 
 

Find it alarming that Cags will be off in the summer to a top European side, whilst Amartey signs a 2 year extension and is hailed as a hero for staying around on reduced 60k a week wages to lead the Championship charge next year

No it shouldn't just be up to the manager. A player takes responsibility for a lot of that too.

 

Agree on your point about Amartey though.

Edited 17 March 2023 by Fox92

[Raj]

3 hours ago, Fox92 said:

He obviously switches off in training like he does in games.

Who Brendan?

[pmcla26]

I'm still convinced Rodgers holds a grudge with Soyuncu for how his agent tried to sell him to every big club in Europe whilst his performances deteriorated and we didn't receive any bids. 

 

Personally, I would have played him over Amartey anyway, but I suppose it probably wouldn't have set a good precedent to follow.

Edited 17 March 2023 by Pete52

[st albans fox]

3 hours ago, Hinckleyfox said:

I'm no Brendan lover but why do people assume that he's lying here? Why do people assume that Soyuncu is some sort of warrior in training and poor Cags is sat on the bench because of naughty Brendan?

 

Maybe his attitude in training is why he wasn't playing before Brendan came in. And actually I can imagine that Amartey IS someone who puts the effort in and shows the right attitude. 

Considering what players have said about him (past and present) BR does not seem the type to freeze people out for no good reason. 

Maybe I'm being naive 

He didn’t play much in his first season here because he struggled a lot with the language and to settle 

 

if he’s committed and concentrated then he’s a v good CB

 

but if the coach doesn’t think he’s prepared to give 100% (in training and games) because he wants to protect his free summer move then I won’t call him out for non selection. However, rodgers made his bed with the cags situation and it’s no surprise that the player probably can’t be bothered to put it all in (mentally and physically). 

[Hinckleyfox]

3 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

At times over the past couple of years players likr Mendy, Praet, Gray, Vestergaard, Soyuncu, Soumare and even Ndidi would argue that he’s very much the type to freeze people out at times. 

Yeah I get your point, but for me the ones you have mentioned have all been left out at times where their form has been poor. The Soyuncu one is a bit different because whilst he had his moments, his form has been OK (I;d say certainly better than Faes) so I just think the attitude thing could be something worth giving some credit to. 

 

LIke I said, I'm not saying that its not BR's doing, but at the minute it just seems like any story or non story out there is being levelled at him and not alot going at the players (except Danny Ward)

[Bourbon Fox]

Seems like there might have been a better way than to give up trying to unlock his potential and let an asset worth tens of millions rot on the vine until he leaves for nothing?

 

[indierich06]

Tbh, if I had to listen to Rodgers' shit every day, then I wouldn't be giving it my all in training either. Bet he can't wait till he's shot of the dwarf.

[Mickyblueeyes]

As much as I want to criticise Brendan at every turn - Caglar Soyuncu is the guy who RAN PAST Bale and then proceeded to run alongside him in a must win end of season game to qualify for the CL. He then (against the same opposition) a year later blatantly pulled out of a 50:50. 

 

Caglar Soyuncu is as dedicated to Leicester City as I am to sweeping the leaves in the drive way during Autumn. 

 

This one isnt all Brendan's fault.