The VAR thread

[st albans fox]

29 minutes ago, Corky said:

Kane's challenge didn't look as bad as it could've been because Robertson didn't have his leg planted. Had it been he would've been in real trouble.

I thought we’d gone past the point where outcome dictated sanction 

 

he’s either endangering an opponent or he’s not 

[Corky]

2 hours ago, st albans fox said:

I thought we’d gone past the point where outcome dictated sanction 

 

he’s either endangering an opponent or he’s not 

Yes, we should've done. It was a red card challenge and Kane is fortunate he did no damage.

[iancognito]

My thoughts are the same as they've ever been. VAR itself isn't the problem. it's worked well in tournament football, never really seen an issue in the European fixtures (where checks are over quicker too) either, the problem is our officials. Take the Spurs/Liverpool incidents as the classic example here. VAR catches both incidents. In the Kane tackle , Chris Kavanagh  doesn't ask Atkinson to check the monitor. In the Robertson tackle he does. So there you are - VAR sees both incidents, the man in the booth implements it badly. That's not the fault of technology, it's the fault of the VAR user himself.

In the past few weeks we've had blatant pens missed/not given, pushing in the box unpunished in one match, fouls given in the next, the same rules applied differently by different VAR refs and one incident that a decision wasn't overturned because the ref couldn't find the definitive angle to check, despite the fact the TV replayed it from that angle within 4 seconds of the ball going dead. None of those is the technology, it's the refs themselves.

Blame the people not the tech. It's a system being monitored and run by Mike Riley and Neil Swarbrick, so it's always been up against it.

[Corky]

Tonight showed exactly why we have this. Disgusting, studs up challenges and elbows yet the players remain on the pitch without VAR.

[turlo]

20 minutes ago, Corky said:

Tonight showed exactly why we have this. Disgusting, studs up challenges and elbows yet the players remain on the pitch without VAR.

broken leg if Ricardo's studs were planted on impact. can't find videos of the other challenges but he should've been off after that one

[Aus Fox]

Worse thing about this is the referees position, he’s looking directly at a studs up, knee high tackle and decides it’s not a red! - unbelievable!

[tom27111]

1 minute ago, Aus Fox said:

Worse thing about this is the referees position, he’s looking directly at a studs up, knee high tackle and decides it’s not a red! - unbelievable!

Any other game, team, stadium, the ref is giving a red.

 

By publicly abusing and intimidating a referee after the final whistle on Sunday, Klopp has done this.

 

The ref tonight didn't dare make the correct call for that reason.

 

But nothing will change.

[Wymsey]

It seems like an 'evil necessity' in transition.

[turlo]

 

 

At least part of the ball was touching the Arm (red area) and should've been picked up by VAR you useless C U Next Tuesdays

 

https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct

 

 

[st albans fox]

I’m pretty sure that IFAB will be seething about this goal being given. The whole premis of changing the handball law in respect of goals being scored was to prevent the arm or hand being the last contact before a goal goes in.  Basically, they didn’t want goals scored by arms/hands, whether accidentally or deliberately. 
 

we had problems three seasons ago with balls striking the very top of the arm where it meets the shoulders and goals being disallowed because of this.  So they moved the dividing line to be a t shirt to avoid shoulder contact being sanctioned. this ball today has struck the arm just above the elbow - basically in the area between the elbow and the shoulder. It’s not supposed to be allowed to score with that area if the arm.  The VAR has said that there wasn’t enough certainty to over ride the on field call. But Oliver had no view of the incident so how does that work?   It’s just bollux again - scrap the VAR - they are rarely required to make any difference and they ruin the enjoyment of goals being scored - I’m fed up of them being justified when they make errors - let’s just have the referee errors we used to have  - we don’t need VAR errors aswell! 

 

[Jonezy]

VAR refs proper hate us this season don't they? It surely does not feel like it evens out over a season. 

[Tielemans63]

It's just the same shit referees making the same shit decisions except they've managed to slow the game down and make it less enjoyable too.

 

That's when they bother to even ****ing check of course. Stuart Attwell didn't appear to be arsed to take a look at anything today. 

[Sly]

8 hours ago, Tielemans63 said:

It's just the same shit referees making the same shit decisions except they've managed to slow the game down and make it less enjoyable too.

 

That's when they bother to even ****ing check of course. Stuart Attwell didn't appear to be arsed to take a look at anything today. 

I don’t think he got anything wrong. 
 

Neither were hand balls and it wasn’t offside. 
 

The incorrect decisions were not awarding our goals against Brighton. 

[Dahnsouff]

The robot overlords we have all been waiting for!!

 

 

[jmono84]

Look at those two pens Liverpool got last night. That Leeds handball pen was almost identical to the Ricardo shot that hit the wolves defender hand.

 

How can we have VAR which shows both images clearly have two different outcomes. It really is crap and shows how biased the system is. Sort it out or get rid of it so at least we can blame it on the refs just being crap at their job.

[Spudulike]

I expect that we are still waiting for our written apology for West Ham's equaliser. 

 

Everton demand apology from Premier League for handball decision in Manchester City loss - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60558875

 

[st albans fox]

7 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

I expect that we are still waiting for our written apology for West Ham's equaliser. 

 

Everton demand apology from Premier League for handball decision in Manchester City loss - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60558875

 

everyone seems so exercised by the everton pen compared to west ham's goal. maybe f they'd all made a bigger fuss three weeks ago,  kavanagh would have made the right call on saturday ......

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, Spudulike said:

I expect that we are still waiting for our written apology for West Ham's equaliser. 

 

Everton demand apology from Premier League for handball decision in Manchester City loss - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60558875

 

.....it might be a good thing if all the managers came out and voiced a unified disapproval of the quality of VAR officiating!!!

The big boys may see their bias go to the wall, but the stupid results that they (VAR Officials) come up with, does the FA no service at all.

[Super_horns]

43 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

.....it might be a good thing if all the managers came out and voiced a unified disapproval of the quality of VAR officiating!!!

The big boys may see their bias go to the wall, but the stupid results that they (VAR Officials) come up with, does the FA no service at all.

They'd only do it if a decision goes against them..

 

I doubt Pep cares if it was a wrong call for example - in fact had it been given you can bet he'd be kicking off about the decision and Man City would be writing to the FA demanding answers. 

 

And is Lampard going to care if Everton get a decision their way now? 

 

I got the impression the VAR guy knew it was handball but didn't think it warranted a penalty as he followed that sleeve rule but of course even that has caused inconsistency. 

 

Edited 28 February 2022 by Super_horns

[sacreblueits442]

1 minute ago, Super_horns said:

They'd only do it if a decision goes against them..

 

 

I doubt Pep cares if it was a wrong call for example - in fact had it been given you can bet he'd be kicking off about the decision. 

 

....very true, pure self interest and big club bias is a factor he would not be willing to give up!!!

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

It's implemented abysmally, they don't know their arse from their elbow, makes the whole thing pointless at best and a tool to influence the result at worst. 

[He aint bald]

Burnley game. Have I missed anything  on Vardy being stood on in the box as he was shaping to shoot? 

Gary Birtles, bless his notts socks, reckoned it werent considered cus JV left his foot there to be trod on.

Only saw one replay and although it it was more of a kiss than a kick I, thought it was defo a pen. 

a little suprised at the lack of uproar...... i want more uproar

[Spudulike]

4 hours ago, He aint bald said:

Burnley game. Have I missed anything  on Vardy being stood on in the box as he was shaping to shoot? 

Gary Birtles, bless his notts socks, reckoned it werent considered cus JV left his foot there to be trod on.

Only saw one replay and although it it was more of a kiss than a kick I, thought it was defo a pen. 

a little suprised at the lack of uproar...... i want more uproar

There would've been more uproar had the result not gone in our favour. It was another example of our players being too soft on match officials. There was barely a protest so perhaps they thought it wasn't a penalty? Granted that doesn't stop some other entitled teams and managers from causing a scene (it's all about the next decision init). 

[st albans fox]

4 hours ago, He aint bald said:

Burnley game. Have I missed anything  on Vardy being stood on in the box as he was shaping to shoot? 

Gary Birtles, bless his notts socks, reckoned it werent considered cus JV left his foot there to be trod on.

Only saw one replay and although it it was more of a kiss than a kick I, thought it was defo a pen. 

a little suprised at the lack of uproar...... i want more uproar

Just wasn’t enough contact to go to ground ……. Refs are trying not to give these light touch pens any longer …

[dsr-burnley]

5 hours ago, He aint bald said:

Burnley game. Have I missed anything  on Vardy being stood on in the box as he was shaping to shoot? 

Gary Birtles, bless his notts socks, reckoned it werent considered cus JV left his foot there to be trod on.

Only saw one replay and although it it was more of a kiss than a kick I, thought it was defo a pen. 

a little suprised at the lack of uproar...... i want more uproar

You could argue that for a penalty, but then when Weghorst had the chance immediately after your first goal, the defender (Soyuncou? apologies for spelling) clearly had hands on him.  That would have been a penalty too.

 

I think refs are getting away, to some extent, from the idea that if a forward throws himself down it isn't a penalty, regardless of whether he has touched or been touched by a defender.  (Besides which, there hasn't been a penalty for or against in any Burnley match this season.  They don't want to spoil a good run.)