Ben Chilwell

[shailen]

It was a poor performance but we all know he is not a poor player. Luckily it never cost us any goals or points.

 

He wasn't the only one. I thought as a team pretty much everyone was off it apart from Riccy P and Kasper, so major improvements needed before we go to Stamford Bridge next week. 

[Pliskin]

One game..... Jesus this is going to be a tough season on here.

[mod hero]

You can’t ever accuse Chilly for lack of effort. However, the quality of crosses he puts in are very poor. He chips or puts lofted balls in the box that are not remotely dangerous especially for a team that has no real height up top.

[adejo92]

15 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

One game..... Jesus this is going to be a tough season on here.

Whilst I appreciate it's one game, it's a home game against a team we should be beating should we have any ambition of finishing in a Europa league spot which is most people's semi realistic hope. 

 

If it wasn't for VAR, we would already be 3 Points behind one of our biggest competitors. 

 

I think the truth of it is, whilst yes it is the first game, if we continue playing the way we did yesterday, we will be looking mid table at best. You have to bare in mind that last seasons Wolves would likely have taken every one of the chances they missed yesterday. 

 

 

Edited 12 August 2019 by adejo92

[Guybino]

Can't fault his effort levels, and still in his early 20s.

 

I put my hands up and say I overreacted yesterday, his decision making frustrates me, but now I've calmed down and grown up I remember he is very talented and still young.

 

Doesn't help either that Ricardo on the opposite wing is playing blinders game after game.

 

 

[st albans fox]

29 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

One game..... Jesus this is going to be a tough season on here.

It’s ok - peeps needn’t worry ..... he’ll be off to Chelsea next window  ........ problem solved !

[Pliskin]

33 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

Whilst I appreciate it's one game, it's a home game against a team we should be beating should we have any ambition of finishing in a Europa league spot which is most people's semi realistic hope. 

 

If it wasn't for VAR, we would already be 3 Points behind one of our biggest competitors. 

 

I think the truth of it is, whilst yes it is the first game, if we continue playing the way we did yesterday, we will be looking mid table at best. You have to bare in mind that last seasons Wolves would likely have taken every one of the chances they missed yesterday. 

 

 

Should be beating? They’re a every bit as good as we are. They finished in a European position last season we didn’t... I think a little more respect needs to be show to Wolves, plus factor in they’ve been playing competitive football for a few weeks..... the expectations are ludicrous on here most of the time, but some of the overreactions have been comical.... Chilly is a decent player, he had an off game yesterday, but he wasn’t terrible, he made a few bad decisions and looked a bit ring rusty..... there’s certainly no need at all to panic, once he’s played a few games he will be fine.

[Aus Fox]

55 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

Whilst I appreciate it's one game, it's a home game against a team we should be beating should we have any ambition of finishing in a Europa league spot which is most people's semi realistic hope. 

 

If it wasn't for VAR, we would already be 3 Points behind one of our biggest competitors. 

 

I think the truth of it is, whilst yes it is the first game, if we continue playing the way we did yesterday, we will be looking mid table at best. You have to bare in mind that last seasons Wolves would likely have taken every one of the chances they missed yesterday. 

 

 

I don’t even know where to start with so much crap in one post. I think you might need some big roll for your keyboard the amount of 💩 that’s coming from it.

1) Chilwell wasn’t event that bad yesterday, wasn’t his best game but defensively he was pretty sound, just didn’t get much support going forwards.

2) Should be beating teams like this, who the feck do you think we are? We need to win this game to get into the Europa League... hmmm did you see the top 6 from last season results against wolves?

3) If it wasn’t for VAR we would have lost? Err no. Anyway you look at it they didn’t score a valid goal against us. Their defender played the ball with his hand and was punished for it.

Also if this goal had of stood it was early in the second half and a goal completely changes the game, who knows what would have happened and how the game would have changed?

4) Last seasons Wolves would have taken those chances? Likewise last season Vardy would have scored the chance he got.

5) Who would have thought players playing in their first game of the season wouldn’t be as match sharp as they are after a full season.

6) Whilst Europe is the ultimate goal, mid table is a good result for our club - depending on your definition of mid table.

 

I do worry about our young lads and their confidence with our moronic supporter base (the vocal minority) and their habits on social media.

We have never had it so good with so many young internationals - here’s an idea be a supporter and back the lads!!!

[RowlattsFox]

He had a poor game. From an attacking point of view though his major threat is running into space with the ball, hard to do that yesterday without a winger in front of him to give their wing back something else to think about. End product is poor but lack of bodies in the box is a huge problem.

 

Full backs are important in the modern game but we have far too much pressure on ours to be our main attacking threat. That shouldn't be the case.

[AjcW]

Anyone who thinks Chilly and Madders don’t manage their own social media accounts still is mad!

 

CAN YOU IMAGINE the sort of DM’s they’re getting! 💦💦💦💦💦

 

Wouldn't hand over to an agency if I was their age  

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, mod hero said:

You can’t ever accuse Chilly for lack of effort. However, the quality of crosses he puts in are very poor. He chips or puts lofted balls in the box that are not remotely dangerous especially for a team that has no real height up top.

... why are we putting crosses into the box! 

  If any balls need to be played into the box it should be on the floor. We worked good openings in pre-season playing that way but have regressed to the old habits of before. 

  The name Puel has been mentioned a bit too much for my liking and I can see we could be dragging this forum back to the toxicity it once was. 

  It was just one game, Brendan for me got it wrong... too cautious, he has been away from the Premier for some time... he got a lesson from Rafa last season and Nuno has tested him in the same fashion.. it is a learning curve.. it just depends how big the curve will be. 

[Johnthefoxrayner]

13 hours ago, moore_94 said:

I do agree that Chilwell had a poor game, but I don't think it helped that he had pretty much no cover on the wing in front of him, Maddison would always disappear into the middle, where as usually he would have had help from Albrighton who would cover for him if he went forward

 

A lot harder for him when he has to decide whether to focus purely on attacking or defending, if he just attacks, we get what happens today where he gets caught out a lot, if he just defends then we would basically lose all impact down that left wing

 

Whoever plays out wide with him needs to contribute to the defending as well, not just attacking

That's why Albrighton should have started, he comes back and helps the defence, and play Maddison in the centre, 

[Big Dave]

Thought he looked a little off today, however I don’t think the step up for the first hour helped. Thought he was better after the first sub when more of a winger was present, rather than Maddison playing wide who drifter in lots.

i like to see Chilwell bombing forward and interchanging with a winger - that is one of his strengths.

[UniFox21]

'Convenient' that the paper rumours of Chelsea being interested in Chilwell surface a week prior to us playing them in the league...

[volpeazzurro]

4 hours ago, adejo92 said:

Whilst I appreciate it's one game, it's a home game against a team we should be beating should we have any ambition of finishing in a Europa league spot which is most people's semi realistic hope. 

 

If it wasn't for VAR, we would already be 3 Points behind one of our biggest competitors. 

 

I think the truth of it is, whilst yes it is the first game, if we continue playing the way we did yesterday, we will be looking mid table at best. You have to bare in mind that last seasons Wolves would likely have taken every one of the chances they missed yesterday. 

 

 

It's very subjective when it's the first game of the season. 

1. It would be good to beat them but should is a fair ask as they finished higher than us last year and got to a cup semi.

2. The likelihood of playing the same as yesterday all season is slim. Ring rusty and fitness levels spring to mind. 

3. Wolves may have taken those chances last season but it was their first day too. Therefore you could also that at the end of last season we wouldn't have given them those chances and we may have scored a couple. A work in progress. 

[Ric Flair]

The issue is, if we are going to rely solely on our full backs for width then they have to be as good as Ricardo in the final third otherwise a) it won't work and b) they will come in for some flak. Playing Maddison out wide is an appalling decision to make with Chilwell's inability to cross or pass well, his main strengths lay in how good he is at taking the ball up pitch and essentially shifting it on to others as simply as possible. If we are going to have to play a central AM on the wing against the better sides as we deploy both Ndidi and Choudhury then i'd rather it be on the right hand side where Ricardo can run that side with his eyes closed.

[Dan]

Chilwell's got a great engine and carries the ball well, and he has undoubtedly improved defensively but he's quite frustrating at times. When you see Robertson and Alexander-Arnold's end product you can see he's a bit of a way off. If he adds that to his game he'll be class but he can be quite frustrating.

[Collymore]

11 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

The issue is, if we are going to rely solely on our full backs for width then they have to be as good as Ricardo in the final third otherwise a) it won't work and b) they will come in for some flak. Playing Maddison out wide is an appalling decision to make with Chilwell's inability to cross or pass well, his main strengths lay in how good he is at taking the ball up pitch and essentially shifting it on to others as simply as possible. If we are going to have to play a central AM on the wing against the better sides as we deploy both Ndidi and Choudhury then i'd rather it be on the right hand side where Ricardo can run that side with his eyes closed.

This exactly.

 

Yesterday Ben was caught out of position defensively over and over again which you could stomach if he was tearing it up at the other end, which he wasn't or isn't ever likely to do ...so it kind of makes him pointless and more worryingly a liability in that system.

 

We need to be balanced. Things seem very simple on the right as Ricardo is such an versitile player and streets ahead of Chilwell as a footballer.

 

If we are having a more complex system on the left surely this is over complicating things just to get Chilwell on to the pitch? 

 

 

Edited 12 August 2019 by Collymore

[Foxymcoxy]

Massive overreactions on here, surprise surprise. Had a poor game with the ball, needs to get his confidence up a bit. Defensively he was not anything like as bad as some are making out.

[Clever Fox]

 He didn't look right yesterday. Maybe he was unwell. Either way he should have been substituted with Fuchs.

 

I don't think we'll sell but given his age and England full back I think he'll cost more if we do decide to sell. We still have Fuchs and Justin as back up.

[M0901]

Has there really been a thread made just to slag off Chilwell... 

 

Poor game but a top top player. No one was particularly good yesterday besides Soyuncu and Wilf 

[Haywood_6]

8 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

 He didn't look right yesterday. Maybe he was unwell. Either way he should have been substituted with Fuchs.

 

I don't think we'll sell but given his age and England full back I think he'll cost more if we do decide to sell. We still have Fuchs and Justin as back up.

Fuchs wasn't even on the bench yesterday. Justin was the only option.

[adejo92]

4 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

I don’t even know where to start with so much crap in one post. I think you might need some big roll for your keyboard the amount of 💩 that’s coming from it.

1) Chilwell wasn’t event that bad yesterday, wasn’t his best game but defensively he was pretty sound, just didn’t get much support going forwards.

2) Should be beating teams like this, who the feck do you think we are? We need to win this game to get into the Europa League... hmmm did you see the top 6 from last season results against wolves?

3) If it wasn’t for VAR we would have lost? Err no. Anyway you look at it they didn’t score a valid goal against us. Their defender played the ball with his hand and was punished for it.

Also if this goal had of stood it was early in the second half and a goal completely changes the game, who knows what would have happened and how the game would have changed?

4) Last seasons Wolves would have taken those chances? Likewise last season Vardy would have scored the chance he got.

5) Who would have thought players playing in their first game of the season wouldn’t be as match sharp as they are after a full season.

6) Whilst Europe is the ultimate goal, mid table is a good result for our club - depending on your definition of mid table.

 

I do worry about our young lads and their confidence with our moronic supporter base (the vocal minority) and their habits on social media.

We have never had it so good with so many young internationals - here’s an idea be a supporter and back the lads!!!

 

I'd probably start with re reading my post so that your cock sure response is actually accurate.. 

 

1) My post doesn't mention Chilwell, but, seeing as you have mentioned it, he was caught out of position a number of times. 

 

2) Beating Wolves, at home, is a fair ask. Yes they had a good previous season but I believe we'll be challenging for a similar league position and when we play to our best, they are no better than us.  My comment was also that we need to be beating them to challenge, not beating them to get into Europa league. 

 

3) Er yes, before VAR that goal would have stood. Just like it would if it was scored yesterday in the Championship. 

 

4) OK, fair point, we would have scored a goal. On that principle, we would have lost 4-1.

 

5) That's what Pre Season is for, it was not particularly about match sharpness. Whilst a contributory factor, negative tactics and negative possession was to blame. 

 

6) I suppose one person's expectations are different to another's. My expectations are that we should be challenging for 7th and believe we are good enough to achieve it. 

 

I don't see the need to jump on my comment trying to be the forum comedian with your ultimate goal probably being to a mass likes from your associates. 

 

My comment was based on opinion, a safe place to share them. It doesn't mean I'm at games booing. If anything, my post shows I have high expectations and belief in our players. 

 

Next time you want to write a cocky response to please your loyal following - read the original post properly - saves you looking so silly. 

Edited 12 August 2019 by adejo92

[Ric Flair]

46 minutes ago, Foxymcoxy said:

Massive overreactions on here, surprise surprise. Had a poor game with the ball, needs to get his confidence up a bit. Defensively he was not anything like as bad as some are making out.

Can't actually remember the last game he was consistently any good with the ball if i'm honest. Seldom are there any crosses of real quality or passes that aid an attack. Defensively I think he is spot on now but if he is being asked to provide the sole width in the team down the left and he gets caught out then it puts us under pressure and we saw this a number of times yesterday. The system doesn't work, he needs help.

[blue army 1988]

6 hours ago, Pliskin said:

One game..... Jesus this is going to be a tough season on here.

But it's not one game is it though. He's had 3 seasons!