FT General Election Poll 2019

[Guest MattP]

29 minutes ago, reynard said:

It is a well known fact that following the Brexit vote membership of far right organistaions increased. The BNP don't need to contest a seat to exist. American influence in the Brexit vote ( sorry should have made clear not financial) was well documented in the Guardian newspaper. Also since the campaign and vote memebrship and activity by a whole range of extreme right wing groups has increased. One consequence of the pro-brexit vote has been to give a sheen of legitimacy to the idealogies of these groups and the extreme approach to immigration proposed will add further to that sheen. Of course that was not the intended outcome of the vote and nor do I suggest that those who voted for it thought it would be but nevertheless it is one of the consequences.

There is a report on the great replacement here.

https://www.inquisitr.com/5177508/according-to-a-new-study-supporters-of-trump-and-brexit-are-more-likely-to-fall-victim-to-conspiracy-theories/

Please  note this is a report about  and not the original findings which I know back this up.

 

Of course this may sound like a joke to you but I assure you it is not. Great Replacement theory may sound farcical but it features all four of the basic features of violence inciting ideology. It was also one of the inspirations behind the man who shot down all those people in Christchurch.

There is a pan-European expansion of ultra right wing organisations. The EU and its openess and freedom of movement acts as a buffer to many of the extemists ideas. People also need to understand that extemism is not confined to continent, it links across the world. Social media helps the spread of thoughts and actions. Leaving the EU will not help us to combat this and with it some very dangerous people.

Not a single piece of evidence.

[davieG]

The Conservatives are pledging to invest £550m in grassroots football as part of plans to back a UK and Ireland bid to host the 2030 World Cup if they form the next government.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson said the investment would "transform lives with a legacy to match the 2012 Olympics".

It would boost existing plans for amateur football in England.

But Labour said the funding would not make up for "years of brutal cuts" to sporting facilities.

The Football Foundation partnership between government, the Football Association (FA) and the Premier League has existed since 2000. It is promising to improve 20,000 grass pitches in England or build new Astroturf versions.

The new Tory pledge would see the government's current grassroots football funding commitment to the project rise from £180m to £730m over the next 10 years.

[SecretPro]

Gary Neville calling out Boris Johnson is the best thing I've seen all day 😂

[Beechey]

 

[reynard]

2 hours ago, MattP said:

Not a single piece of evidence.

It is all out there if you really want to look for it. Anyway let's move on.

[reynard]

2 hours ago, davieG said:

The Conservatives are pledging to invest £550m in grassroots football as part of plans to back a UK and Ireland bid to host the 2030 World Cup if they form the next government.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson said the investment would "transform lives with a legacy to match the 2012 Olympics".

It would boost existing plans for amateur football in England.

But Labour said the funding would not make up for "years of brutal cuts" to sporting facilities.

The Football Foundation partnership between government, the Football Association (FA) and the Premier League has existed since 2000. It is promising to improve 20,000 grass pitches in England or build new Astroturf versions.

The new Tory pledge would see the government's current grassroots football funding commitment to the project rise from £180m to £730m over the next 10 years.

Sadly not sure it really did in the end except for some nice flats in London and of course giving a brand new stadium to a club almost completely free of charge.

[StanSP]

3 hours ago, SecretPro said:

Gary Neville calling out Boris Johnson is the best thing I've seen all day 😂

what did he say?

[leicsmac]

9 hours ago, MattP said:

Sorry but I just don't get how anyway could seriously think Putin is even dubious. Brexit is so minor compared to what he gets if Corbyn leads - a Western nation that would completely back Russian foreign policy. 

 

I mean Seamus Milne, his own Alistair Campbell used to openly write stuff like this in the Guardian.

 

 

I'm not entirely sure that the future fragmentation of a massive trading bloc and a big trading rival to Russia could be seen as "minor" from an economic perspective.

 

Of course, I know you've purported the priority of NATO policy over that of the EU as more important for the longest time anyway and in a way the point is valid - after all, NATO have the big sticks and the way things are now the big sticks, or at least the threat of them, is the thing most people seem to respect. However, I maintain that the EU crumbling as a result of Brexit and various other pressures thereafter would also be a perfectly acceptable result for Russia geopolitically, even if it wouldn't be as directly good as one NATO member with a leadership who is a friendly who could get booted out after five or even less years (after all, it's just one country and by no means the most powerful one).

 

9 hours ago, simFox said:

A week minded pacifist at the helm in the UK, with a socialist agenda and policies. He would wreck the economy, dismantle our military and bow down to every militant this side of the Nagasaki scorch mark. Russians would love Corbyn in charge. They could even sing the red flag together.

...wait, so being a pacifist is a slur now? Fair enough - I must have forgotten that War Is Glorious and nations must be forged and tested in the fire of blood, suffering and multiple intestines strewn everywhere in order to mean much. Or at least appear threatening enough to want the aforementioned blood and suchlike, anyway.

 

FWIW I think NATO does a reasonable job of keeping the peace through brandishing that bigger stick but I'm not about to concede that such behaviour and organisation is the only or even close to the best way to ensure that nations don't resort to killing each other - as much as I'm a cynic I really do think humans can actually grow beyond the tribal mentality that the above is a part of. But that doesn't start without one party or more making the first step.

 

Back to the topic at hand, what I said above to Matt applies here, too.

 

NB. I wonder if the current Russian government can be seen as left-wing/communist at all right now? They certainly don't seem very left-wing in terms of many of their social policies...

 

 

 

 

Edited 8 December 2019 by leicsmac

[Leicester_Loyal]

Tories still looking good for a majority. 4 days to go. 

[Guest MattP]

10 hours ago, SecretPro said:

Gary Neville calling out Boris Johnson is the best thing I've seen all day 😂

 

7 hours ago, StanSP said:

what did he say?

Went on a rant about racism and how Boris talking about controlling it has contributed - didn't even mention the party actually being investigated by the ECHR for racism.

 

After what C4 did on Friday and stuff like this no way am I staying home on Thursday, not even intending to now.

[Guest MattP]

 

[Foxxed]

Boris shows he’s too weak to gain the support of life-long Conservatives MPs, surrounds himself with snivelling devotees, expels the critical heart of the party. Ex Tory leaders now support the exiled MPs. This ain’t the Conservative party anymore. Boris took a knife to that long ago. 

 

Boris’s cheeky-scamp persona causes outrage, stirs up anger, points the finger of blame far away, shirks responsibility. It’s a winning strategy. I’ll vote but I expect his entitled schoolboy grin to win.

[Foxxed]

16 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Well, on the above a thought does occur to me.

 

If I were a state actor looking to forment unrest among a rival country by deniably meddling in their electoral process and had the capability, pushing in favour of who I perceived to be the candidate most likely to inflict maximum division would be the way to go...but I would *also* peddle a little influence in favour of the other candidates too. Not enough for them to pose a problem...but enough that that it becomes apparent and leads to still more unrest, division and confusion about what it's really going on.

 

Not saying that is what has happened or is happening as it's next to impossible to prove, but I think that would be a reasonably smart play - if the goal was to divide and weaken rivals on the international stage.

Divide and rule. History well documents it. We did it. We are probably still trying to do it. Others do it. Others will try to do it to us. And social media has made it so much easier in a democracy: you’ve got direct and instant access to millions of people you can locate by postcode. And you understand these people more than ever before because they fill out profiles of themselves, because you can document what they’ve said, what they’ve read, what they’ve liked, who their friends are, who they follow. The FTC voted 5-0 against Cambridge Analytica. The idea it’s only them and state actors keep out of it is crazy.

Edited 8 December 2019 by Foxxed

[Charl91]

On 27/11/2019 at 20:36, MattP said:

If he were to turn it down they should actually do that.

 

It would be completely unacceptable for every leader to be scrutinised by Neil except the Prime Minister - I'll make a promise here, if he doesn't do it. I won't vote for him. A coward can't get my vote to lead the country. 

 

 

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After what C4 did on Friday and stuff like this no way am I staying home on Thursday, not even intending to now.

 

Man of your word in the same way that Boris is, then?  

[Guest MattP]

1 minute ago, Charl91 said:

Man of your word in the same way that Boris is, then?  

Perfect match aren't we

[ozleicester]

Beginning to think the election will be a scoreless draw.

 

 

 

So, for our UK labour market statistics, everyone aged 16 or over is either:

• employed (has worked at least one hour in the last week);

 

• unemployed (does not have a job, has been actively seeking work in the past four weeks and is available to start work in the next two weeks, OR is out of work but has found a job and is waiting to start in the next two weeks); or
• economically inactive (does not have a job, has not been looking for a job in the past four weeks and/or is not available to start work in the next two weeks).

Edited 8 December 2019 by ozleicester

[Jon the Hat]

1 hour ago, Foxxed said:

Boris shows he’s too weak to gain the support of life-long Conservatives MPs, surrounds himself with snivelling devotees, expels the critical heart of the party. Ex Tory leaders now support the exiled MPs. This ain’t the Conservative party anymore. Boris took a knife to that long ago. 

 

Boris’s cheeky-scamp persona causes outrage, stirs up anger, points the finger of blame far away, shirks responsibility. It’s a winning strategy. I’ll vote but I expect his entitled schoolboy grin to win.

If only the Labour Party hadn’t ****ed itself so badly he wouldn’t get away with it.  

[UniFox21]

7 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

If only the Labour Party hadn’t ****ed itself so badly he wouldn’t get away with it.  

Tbh both parties are completely buggered 

[Foxxed]

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Football commentator and pundit Gary Neville blamed Boris Johnson’s election rhetoric on immigrants and immigration for fuelling the number of racist incidents in British society and sport.

Boris pointing the finger at others to whip up some anger, gain support and shirk responsibility? Dunno wot Garry's on about. Doesn't sound like Boris at all.

[Guest MattP]

I'm looking forward to hearing what Michael Gove has to say about the Manchester United counter attack.

[Strokes]

1 hour ago, MattP said:

Perfect match aren't we

Just claim a technicality, you only said you wouldn’t vote for Boris. You didn’t say you wouldn’t vote for your local Conservative MP.

[Guest MattP]

1 minute ago, Strokes said:

Just claim a technicality, you only said you wouldn’t vote for Boris. You didn’t say you wouldn’t vote for your local Conservative MP.

Now that's good shit.

[Kopfkino]

2 hours ago, MattP said:

 

Went on a rant about racism and how Boris talking about controlling it has contributed - didn't even mention the party actually being investigated by the ECHR for racism.

 

After what C4 did on Friday and stuff like this no way am I staying home on Thursday, not even intending to now.

We have got to a bizarre stage when it's suggested a proposal for controlled immigration (and I hate the proposed immigration policy) incites people to do monkey gestures at the football. 

[Guest MattP]

9 minutes ago, Kopfkino said:

We have got to a bizarre stage when it's suggested a proposal for controlled immigration (and I hate the proposed immigration policy) incites people to do monkey gestures at the football. 

We are living in a seriously crazy time, if polls are correct people are going to lose their minds.

[leicsmac]

21 minutes ago, Kopfkino said:

We have got to a bizarre stage when it's suggested a proposal for controlled immigration (and I hate the proposed immigration policy) incites people to do monkey gestures at the football. 

I'm rather curious as to what people think is the motivation behind the monkey chant incident, to be honest.

 

Of course, one might write it off as just some idiots, but then there's hardly a shortage of those at various footy matches and that hasn't been a problem in this way for some time now...so why now? Purely coincidental with respect to a time where things are becoming more polarised and policies like the one above are becoming more attractive as a result? I'm unsure.