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FT General Election Poll 2019

FT General Election 2019  

501 members have voted

  1. 1. Which party will be getting your vote?

    • Conservative
      155
    • Labour
      188
    • Liberal Democrats
      93
    • Brexit Party
      17
    • Green Party
      26
    • Other
      22


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Some thoughts.

 

Whatever you think of Boris he's an election winning machine, two mayor of London wins in a Labour city, led the leave referendum campaign and now the biggest national share in a GE since Ted Heath. He'll win again as well in five years. He's united the party on Europe and should now make sure he focuses on keeping his new voters, as Lib Dem remainers may also return in his tradiotional areas post Brexit.

 

Personally delighted with the new Conservative party, it's going to be great hearing all the Northern voices on the backbenches and the party needs to be more like this and represent it's voters more. - these people are very loyal and took the Labour party ignoring them for years to bring them over, let them down Boris and you'll deserve what you get.

 

I hope for the Labour moderates they can recapture their party from the lunatics who have taken it over, a strong democracy needs two serious options for government. The Momentum mob need destroying, they've still taken no responsibility at all for this and still think that fantasy manifestos and "woke" politics are the way forward - it was hard to describe in hindsight how ridiculous it was to produce a fully costed manifesto and then just pop up with 60 billion for the Waaspi two days later, not ever serious and everyone knew it, even their own voters. I hope whoever reforms this if this actually tries for a kinder, gentler poltiics as well - these morons have spent the last three years telling almost anyone who disagreed with them to vote Tory and last night they did.

 

The People's Vote/Second referendum mob are as responsible for this as anyone, the country hadn't changed it's mind at all and there was no evidence it ever had, you could have passed May's deal and stayed close to Europe, instead of gambling it all - your punishment for this is now Boris for at least five and most probably ten years.

 

Fun fact of the election following Pidcock losing, the Durham Minors Gala will next year be held in a Tory seat lol

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4 minutes ago, MattP said:

Some thoughts.

 

Whatever you think of Boris he's an election winning machine, two mayor of London wins in a Labour city, led the leave referendum campaign and now the biggest national share in a GE since Ted Heath. He'll win again as well in five years. He's united the party on Europe and should now make sure he focuses on keeping his new voters, as Lib Dem remainers may also return in his tradiotional areas post Brexit.

 

Personally delighted with the new Conservative party, it's going to be great hearing all the Northern voices on the backbenches and the party needs to be more like this and represent it's voters more. - these people are very loyal and took the Labour party ignoring them for years to bring them over, let them down Boris and you'll deserve what you get.

 

I hope for the Labour moderates they can recapture their party from the lunatics who have taken it over, a strong democracy needs two serious options for government. The Momentum mob need destroying, they've still taken no responsibility at all for this and still think that fantasy manifestos and "woke" politics are the way forward - it was hard to describe in hindsight how ridiculous it was to produce a fully costed manifesto and then just pop up with 60 billion for the Waaspi two days later, not ever serious and everyone knew it, even their own voters. I hope whoever reforms this if this actually tries for a kinder, gentler poltiics as well - these morons have spent the last three years telling almost anyone who disagreed with them to vote Tory and last night they did.

 

The People's Vote/Second referendum mob are as responsible for this as anyone, the country hadn't changed it's mind at all and there was no evidence it ever had, you could have passed May's deal and stayed close to Europe, instead of gambling it all - your punishment for this is now Boris for at least five and most probably ten years.

 

Fun fact of the election following Pidcock losing, the Durham Minors Gala will next year be held in a Tory seat lol

Is that the kids event?! :ph34r:

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5 minutes ago, MattP said:

Some thoughts.

 

Whatever you think of Boris he's an election winning machine, two mayor of London wins in a Labour city, led the leave referendum campaign and now the biggest national share in a GE since Ted Heath. He'll win again as well in five years. He's united the party on Europe and should now make sure he focuses on keeping his new voters, as Lib Dem remainers may also return in his tradiotional areas post Brexit.

 

Personally delighted with the new Conservative party, it's going to be great hearing all the Northern voices on the backbenches and the party needs to be more like this and represent it's voters more. - these people are very loyal and took the Labour party ignoring them for years to bring them over, let them down Boris and you'll deserve what you get.

 

I hope for the Labour moderates they can recapture their party from the lunatics who have taken it over, a strong democracy needs two serious options for government. The Momentum mob need destroying, they've still taken no responsibility at all for this and still think that fantasy manifestos and "woke" politics are the way forward - it was hard to describe in hindsight how ridiculous it was to produce a fully costed manifesto and then just pop up with 60 billion for the Waaspi two days later, not ever serious and everyone knew it, even their own voters. I hope whoever reforms this if this actually tries for a kinder, gentler poltiics as well - these morons have spent the last three years telling almost anyone who disagreed with them to vote Tory and last night they did.

 

The People's Vote/Second referendum mob are as responsible for this as anyone, the country hadn't changed it's mind at all and there was no evidence it ever had, you could have passed May's deal and stayed close to Europe, instead of gambling it all - your punishment for this is now Boris for at least five and most probably ten years.

 

Fun fact of the election following Pidcock losing, the Durham Minors Gala will next year be held in a Tory seat lol

And the will be those today that think they where still right and we are still stupid and still don't know what we voted for

 

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1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

...can't speak for Ronnie, but I've been away for 7 and a half years out of the past 10 and so I've had plenty of time to reflect on exactly that...hence the post above.

Out of interest, what countries have you lived in if you don't mind me asking? I'm seeing lots of upset and disillusioned people seemingly wanting out of this country and I do wonder how feasible and worthwhile it is for them to carry out their threats. I'm sure there are some better countries to live than ours, but there are also many many worse. I'd say i'm always teetering around 52/48 on wanting to live here or not :D

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4 minutes ago, MattP said:

Some thoughts.

 

Whatever you think of Boris he's an election winning machine, two mayor of London wins in a Labour city, led the leave referendum campaign and now the biggest national share in a GE since Ted Heath. He'll win again as well in five years.

 

Call me cautious mate, I'll wait over 24 hours and a withdrawal from the European Union before I'd make grand statements like that.

 

Boris managed to do well in a siege position where he could credibly blame the opposition and Remainers, with the worst fit Labour leader possibly ever, but now he's on his own two feet and he has to deliver.

 

8 minutes ago, MattP said:

Personally delighted with the new Conservative party,

 

What happened to being disgusted with the absence of the Neil interview? i thought this was the lesser of two evils?

 

You're a good chap Matt, but you're somewhat inconsistent...

 

11 minutes ago, MattP said:

it's going to be great hearing all the Northern voices on the backbenches

 

I'm sure Boris would love to see some 'watermelon smiles' too.

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1 hour ago, bmt said:

Horrendous result yesterday, but moving forwards could be an exciting time for labour if the next play is right. I think some compromise on policy (some of the giveaways reduced etc) and a change of leadership could be exactly what the part needs. Oh and a purge of anti-semites and relinquish of power from Momentum style activists. Hope they don't go back to New Labour though as I think that would be the wrong move, their socialist policies were looked at quite favourably.

 

The other slight positive for me is that, although I think he is a horrible human being, Boris probably will shift the party away from austerity and is slightly more liberal than others in the Conservatives. Hopefully the size of majority allows him to ignore the ERG on Brexit and have a softish Brexit with good deals set up etc and managed reasonably well.

What really bothers me is the amount of people saying they "feel ashamed", "Can't take any pride in their identity anymore" , "Going to look to live in a better, more tolerant country", etc. due to the result not going the way they'd hoped. But, had Corbyn gotten in, they'd feel proud and euphoric, despite knowing there IS a burgeoning problem with anti-semitism in his ranks??! We're talking about a people who had over a third of their global population eradicated less than 80 years ago, with many in Labour's ranks trotting out the same sort of rhetoric that was used to justify it. That, as well as many so called "Leftists" supporting those views on social media and claiming any Jews sharing their experiences of prejudice are merely doing it to "smear Corbyn"??? I mean, **** me, how cold blooded can these people be??! This despite evidence to the contrary, including several Jewish MP's receiving anti-semitic abuse on Twitter whilst they were televised in the House of Commons!!

 

It's the disingenuousness  of those claiming they feel ashamed, yet would gladly sweep this particular problem under the carpet (though it is still a problem now of course), had Labour won. I gave Corbyn from 2017 until a few days ago to sort this out, had he done it in a way that showed genuine concern and empathy to the Jewish community, I'd have voted for him. But he didn't so I voted Lib Dem, not a bad choice in my area of course, seeing as they won by 2000 votes. Though would have preferred to vote for a genuine, balanced and honest Labour party in a general.

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5 minutes ago, Kendal Fox said:

What really bothers me is the amount of people saying they "feel ashamed", "Can't take any pride in their identity anymore" , "Going to look to live in a better, more tolerant country", etc. due to the result not going the way they'd hoped. But, had Corbyn gotten in, they'd feel proud and euphoric, despite knowing there IS a burgeoning problem with anti-semitism in his ranks??! We're talking about a people who had over a third of their global population eradicated less than 80 years ago, with many in Labour's ranks trotting out the same sort of rhetoric that was used to justify it. That, as well as many so called "Leftists" supporting those views on social media and claiming any Jews sharing their experiences of prejudice are merely doing it to "smear Corbyn"??? I mean, **** me, how cold blooded can these people be??! This despite evidence to the contrary, including several Jewish MP's receiving anti-semitic abuse on Twitter whilst they were televised in the House of Commons!!

 

It's the disingenuousness  of those claiming they feel ashamed, yet would gladly sweep this particular problem under the carpet (though it is still a problem now of course), had Labour won. I gave Corbyn from 2017 until a few days ago to sort this out, had he done it in a way that showed genuine concern and empathy to the Jewish community, I'd have voted for him. But he didn't so I voted Lib Dem, not a bad choice in my area of course, seeing as they won by 2000 votes. Though would have preferred to vote for a genuine, balanced and honest Labour party in a general.

I do feel like the media overplayed it and some of it became a smear, but fundamentally that should never have been allowed to happen (no smoke without fire). Any racism should be kicked from the party immediately, and strong leadership would have done this. The vetting on candidates should have been severe knowing there was a crisis with antisemitism within the party.

 

I honestly think with a better brexit policy which was clear and stated early and if the problems with anti-semitism and terrorism sympathy (which I actually do think is a smear) were corrected labour could have done very well, whilst ceding some ground to the Lib Dems in London. Strategy and leadership were lacking- I think the anti-austerity and socialist message and policies would have been well received otherwise, excluding a few of the more unnecessary ones (WASPI etc.)

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3 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Out of interest, what countries have you lived in if you don't mind me asking? I'm seeing lots of upset and disillusioned people seemingly wanting out of this country and I do wonder how feasible and worthwhile it is for them to carry out their threats. I'm sure there are some better countries to live than ours, but there are also many many worse. I'd say i'm always teetering around 52/48 on wanting to live here or not :D

A little over a year and a half Stateside, and six years and change in Korea (where I am now).

 

I have something of a head start given I first came here in 2010, but for someone who Teresa May would likely call a "citizen of nowhere" I think things are not bad for expats over here, so it's perhaps worth considering.

 

3 minutes ago, Kendal Fox said:

What really bothers me is the amount of people saying they "feel ashamed", "Can't take any pride in their identity anymore" , "Going to look to live in a better, more tolerant country", etc. due to the result not going the way they'd hoped. But, had Corbyn gotten in, they'd feel proud and euphoric, despite knowing there IS a burgeoning problem with ant-semitism in his ranks??! We're talking about a people who had over a third of their global population eradicated less than 80 years ago, with many in Labour's ranks trotting out the same sort of rhetoric that was used to justify it, as well as many so called "Leftists" supporting those views on social media and claiming any Jews sharing their experiences of prejudice are merely doing it to "smear Corbyn"??? This despite evidence to the contrary, including several Jewish MP's receiving anti-semitic abuse on Twitter whilst they were televised in the House of Commons!!

 

It's the disingenuousness  of those claiming they feel ashamed, yet would gladly sweep this particular problem under the carpet (though it is still a problem now of course), had Labour won. I gave Corbyn from 2017 until a few days ago to sort this out, had he done it in a way that showed genuine concern and empathy to the Jewish community, I'd have voted for him. But he didn't so I voted Lib Dem, not a bad choice in my area of course, seeing as they won by 2000 votes. Though would have preferred to vote for a genuine, balanced and honest Labour party in a general.

...can only speak for myself here but there's an awful lot of assumptions in this post, especially the bolded part.

 

Firstly, my own thoughts on nationhood only reached the end of the road yesterday - they started a long time before then, before Corbyn was anything more than a backbencher...and my own feelings, as I said, are of indifference, rather than shame or pride (or lack thereof). Secondly, though anti-Semitism is a serious issue it is hardly the only serious issue going round among the parties so I'm not sure it can really be used as a red-line matter that supersedes all others - for me, scientific and environmental policy occupies that particular slot. Thirdly, I wouldn't have felt euphoric nor proud had Corbyn won - I would have been relieved that there might have been a chance to address Brexit differently, but that would have only been a chance and what with the attendant other issues, apprehension would have still been my primary feeling.

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6 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

A little over a year and a half Stateside, and six years and change in Korea (where I am now).

 

I have something of a head start given I first came here in 2010, but for someone who Teresa May would likely call a "citizen of nowhere" I think things are not bad for expats over here, so it's perhaps worth considering.

 

...can only speak for myself here but there's an awful lot of assumptions in this post, especially the bolded part.

 

Firstly, my own thoughts on nationhood only reached the end of the road yesterday - they started a long time before then, before Corbyn was anything more than a backbencher...and my own feelings, as I said, are of indifference, rather than shame or pride (or lack thereof). Secondly, though anti-Semitism is a serious issue it is hardly the only serious issue going round among the parties so I'm not sure it can really be used as a red-line matter that supersedes all others - for me, scientific and environmental policy occupies that particular slot. Thirdly, I wouldn't have felt euphoric nor proud had Corbyn won - I would have been relieved that there might have been a chance to address Brexit differently, but that would have only been a chance and what with the attendant other issues, apprehension would have still been my primary feeling.

I never said it superseded other issues. But it IS a huge problem and for the sake of argument, had there been a problem on the same scale with sexism, islamophobia or homophobia and Corbyn had refused to acknowledge the hurt it was causing those particular affected groups, and over the course of 2 years had done little to nothing to tackle it, would you still say it was not enough to stop you voting for him?

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4 minutes ago, Kendal Fox said:

I never said it superseded other issues. But it IS a huge problem and for the sake of argument, had there been a problem on the same scale with sexism, islamophobia or homophobia and Corbyn had refused to acknowledge the hurt it was causing those particular affected groups, and over the course of 2 years had done little to nothing to tackle it, would you still say it was not enough to stop you voting for him?

...well, being where I am I don't have a vote so I wouldn't have been able to vote for anyone.

 

But veering away from facetiousness...you seem to be labouring (hur hur hur) under the misconception that I would have voted for Corbyn this time round anyway and it does quite frankly seem an awful lot like your inference is that the anti-Semitism is a deal-breaker no matter what else because of the original post and because of the hypothetical comparisons being made here. To be honest, I likely would have spoiled my ballot paper, given the lack of options when it comes to addressing scientific and environmental collaboration in a good manner, which is my own personal red-line issue.

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Why are we such a centrist country? Since the 90s at least (I'm politically ignorant of anything before that). 

 

If you look at Scandanavia with it's left wing governments, and places like Poland/Hungary/Brazil etc with their right wing governments, you'd never expect parties like that winning power here.

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2 hours ago, MattP said:

 

 

Fun fact of the election following Pidcock losing, the Durham Minors Gala will next year be held in a Tory seat lol

 

Ooh so close...

 

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Michael Gove drew cheers from the crowd when he proclaimed that the historic Durham Miners’ Gala would be held in a Conservative seat next year – but he was wrong.

 

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/politics/michael-gove-was-wrong-when-he-said-2020s-durham-miners-gala-would-take-place-tory-constituency-1340373

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4 minutes ago, DennisNedry said:

Why are we such a centrist country? Since the 90s at least (I'm politically ignorant of anything before that). 

 

Because in the main, we’re a pretty intelligent country who can understand both sides of the debate and know how to compromise. Take the best of both viewpoints and ideas and you end up somewhere in the middle.
It’s a good thing imo

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9 minutes ago, DennisNedry said:

Why are we such a centrist country? Since the 90s at least (I'm politically ignorant of anything before that). 

 

If you look at Scandanavia with it's left wing governments, and places like Poland/Hungary/Brazil etc with their right wing governments, you'd never expect parties like that winning power here.


Since 1979 most liberal we’ve been is Centrist, we’ve mostly lurched right.

 

Right wing under Thatcher > Centrism under Blair > Centre Right under Cameron/May > ??? Under Boris

 

We’re more akin to a right-wing country. The only recent breakthrough parties we’ve had was UKIP & Brexit Party.

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26 minutes ago, Izzy said:

Because in the main, we’re a pretty intelligent country who can understand both sides of the debate and know how to compromise. Take the best of both viewpoints and ideas and you end up somewhere in the middle.
It’s a good thing imo

Not really sure intelligence or lack of it comes into play. You would hardly call the Germany of the early 1930s unintelligent.

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