FT General Election Poll 2019

[Charl91]

14 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

 

Is that real? If so that's just petty, and seems on dodgy legal ground, though I'm no expert. I'm a little bitter (ok, very bitter) about the result myself, but throwing the toys out of the pram isn't going to help much. 

 

Though obviously this isn't representative of most left wing voters; thought I'd just get that in there before the inevitable millenial / snowflake generation / salty liberal tears comments appear.

Edited 13 December 2019 by Charl91

[Innovindil]

38 minutes ago, Strokes said:

Probably not, but it’s important to know your audience 

Outstanding. 

[Izzy]

@Strokes is such a cvnt sometimes. I fvckin love him 

[Leicester_Loyal]

38 minutes ago, ScouseFox said:

what makes you think that? football club bias aside it’s pretty obviously the best place in the country. would be genuinely intrigued as to why you think it’s “an awful place” or why you think “90% of the country despise it”. 

 

every single person who spends anything from half an hour to half their life in liverpool loves it, and every person you meet anywhere in the world, as a scouser, loves you. 

 

appreciate your post is almost definitely just to try and “bait me” or something and you probably don’t think that at all, so asking for an actual answer is probably futile. but thought it was worth a go. 

 

They're absolutely hated around the country and have an awful mentality.

 

#ScouseNotEnglish.

 

The protest outside Downing Street is a beautiful site.

Edited 13 December 2019 by Leicester_Loyal

[Tuna]

35 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

Looks like the tweet has been deleted.

[ScouseFox]

Just now, Leicester_Loyal said:

 

They're absolutely hated around the country and have an awful mentality.

 

#ScouseNotEnglish.

yeah you’ve already said we are hated, i asked why. and who hates us. cos it’s not anyone i’ve ever met. unless it’s just weird cu nts on the internet who wouldn’t dare say anything to anyone in real life. 

 

if you are too ignorant or perhaps too selfish to understand why “scouse not english” is a thing then what’s the point. 

[Leicester_Loyal]

3 minutes ago, ScouseFox said:

yeah you’ve already said we are hated, i asked why. and who hates us. cos it’s not anyone i’ve ever met. unless it’s just weird cu nts on the internet who wouldn’t dare say anything to anyone in real life. 

 

if you are too ignorant or perhaps too selfish to understand why “scouse not english” is a thing then what’s the point. 

You're obviously meeting the nice people then. There's a reason no-one wants them to win the league and why they're hated around the country (and in Italy). Horrible victim mentality too.

 

Edited 13 December 2019 by Leicester_Loyal

[Strokes]

12 minutes ago, Izzy said:

@Strokes is such a cvnt sometimes. I fvckin love him 

I’m only jerking around mate, I could have a been a complete shit today and I’ve really tried not too

 

[ScouseFox]

Just now, Leicester_Loyal said:

You're obviously meeting the nice people then. There's a reason no-one wants them to win the league and why they're hated around the country (and in Italy)

 

so as i said in my first reply, you’re basing all this on football? i don’t want liverpool to win the fu cking league, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the people, the place or their political views. 

 

yet again nobody in liverpool has voted for the tories, and yet again we will be the ones who suffer the most as they try their “managed decline” plans of just slowly hoping the place rots. even from your last few stupid and ignorant posts in this thread it’s not hard to see why most scousers want absolutely nothing to do with the rest of this county, especially the tories. 

 

the european union has done more for liverpool than this country ever will. most people all around the country and going to suffer because of the votes that were cast yesterday. but that’s all fine because you don’t want liverpool to win the league. fu cking hell. 

[Leicester_Loyal]

1 minute ago, ScouseFox said:

so as i said in my first reply, you’re basing all this on football? i don’t want liverpool to win the fu cking league, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the people, the place or their political views. 

 

yet again nobody in liverpool has voted for the tories, and yet again we will be the ones who suffer the most as they try their “managed decline” plans of just slowly hoping the place rots. even from your last few stupid and ignorant posts in this thread it’s not hard to see why most scousers want absolutely nothing to do with the rest of this county, especially the tories. 

 

the european union has done more for liverpool than this country ever will. most people all around the country and going to suffer because of the votes that were cast yesterday. but that’s all fine because you don’t want liverpool to win the league. fu cking hell. 

Haven't you just been randomly posting 'stupid tory *****', 'whoever votes torys are *****' for about the past 3 months? Looks like we're both stupid and ignorant

 

Weird people, you're English whether you like it or not and yes you'll have a Tory government because that's how we all voted.

[Mark_w]

10 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

You're obviously meeting the nice people then. There's a reason no-one wants them to win the league and why they're hated around the country (and in Italy). Horrible victim mentality too.

Yeah, you don't speak for all of us mate.

[Heathrow fox]

10 hours ago, Strokes said:

Hopefully they get with the times and elect their first permanent female leader now.

Should be the best person available who gets the job.Identity politics.Another reason Labour lost the white working class vote.

[Leicester_Loyal]

55 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

That's ridiculous The best way to shut all these up was last nights election results, bravo.

[lestajigs]

3 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Looks like the socialists / marxists / commies etc have mobilised already

 

 

 

Sad sad people, get over it ffs, just because its not the outcome you wanted ffs pathetic 

[bovril]

Liverpool's one of the most popular places in Britain, I always meet people abroad who either visited and loved it or want to visit it for all the history, music, etc. Which is great because England's reputation has taken a bit of a battering these years. 

[Kendal Fox]

7 hours ago, leicsmac said:

...well, being where I am I don't have a vote so I wouldn't have been able to vote for anyone.

 

But veering away from facetiousness...you seem to be labouring (hur hur hur) under the misconception that I would have voted for Corbyn this time round anyway and it does quite frankly seem an awful lot like your inference is that the anti-Semitism is a deal-breaker no matter what else because of the original post and because of the hypothetical comparisons being made here. To be honest, I likely would have spoiled my ballot paper, given the lack of options when it comes to addressing scientific and environmental collaboration in a good manner, which is my own personal red-line issue.

That's because, anti-Semitism is a deal breaker for me, like any other form of prejudice that has a long running history and particularly if it has crept into a political party and is not being sufficiently tackled. But that's just me and how I feel.

 

Also, when you say I was making a lot of assumptions with regard to people potentially feeling proud and euphoric, had Corbyn won, that's because words like ashamed, shame and despondent were being used to describe the disappointment of him losing the election. Surely, the opposite of those words would be along the lines of pride, proud or euphoric, no? I just think (And I'm not talking about you in particular) under Corbyn, Labour and many of his supporters are not bothered about being consistent and things need to be radically (in a good way) overhauled before I'd vote for them again.

 

 

 

And just touching

[yorkie1999]

I'm not one for conspiricy's, apart from the good wind up ones, but, Boris does seem to have gained a huge swing from traditional Labour voters based on something that was created a few years back by his party and now has as much power as Thatcher did to push tory policies through parliament. Divide and conquer appears to have been succesful.  

[Kendal Fox]

8 hours ago, bmt said:

I do feel like the media overplayed it and some of it became a smear, but fundamentally that should never have been allowed to happen (no smoke without fire). Any racism should be kicked from the party immediately, and strong leadership would have done this. The vetting on candidates should have been severe knowing there was a crisis with antisemitism within the party.

 

I honestly think with a better brexit policy which was clear and stated early and if the problems with anti-semitism and terrorism sympathy (which I actually do think is a smear) were corrected labour could have done very well, whilst ceding some ground to the Lib Dems in London. Strategy and leadership were lacking- I think the anti-austerity and socialist message and policies would have been well received otherwise, excluding a few of the more unnecessary ones (WASPI etc.)

Yes, they could have made it much closer had those areas been corrected but I just don't think Corbyn had it in him. Well, it's obvious now he didn't I guess.

 

I just think there needs to be some serious deconstruction and then reconstruction and I don't know who is the right person to do it. But hopefully, this is the wake up call Labour needed...

[bovril]

Interesting though reading those comments about Liverpool as there does seem to be a lot of small-town insecurity and massive resentment towards big successful cities from a lot of voters in Britain. Ironic, since a lot of those voters are quite nationalistic, and evoke a narrative of British exceptionalism and past greatness which came, to a large extent, out of those very same cities.  

[Kendal Fox]

2 minutes ago, bovril said:

Interesting though reading those comments about Liverpool as there does seem to be a lot of small-town insecurity and massive resentment towards big successful cities from a lot of voters in Britain. Ironic, since a lot of those voters are quite nationalistic, and evoke a narrative of British exceptionalism and past greatness which came, to a large extent, out of those very same cities.  

I think some of that is because they feel ignored and many have seen their quality of life get worse and worse. And I think the nationalistic thing is fear of having no identity. 

I'm probably over-simplifying but no doubt some of it is rooted in that.

[Heathrow fox]

3 minutes ago, Kendal Fox said:

I think some of that is because they feel ignored and many have seen their quality of life get worse and worse. And I think the nationalistic thing is fear of having no identity. 

I'm probably over-simplifying but no doubt some of it is rooted in that.

There’s a lot of truth in that,except for Birmingham.No other city undersells itself as much as that place.

[bovril]

1 minute ago, Kendal Fox said:

I think some of that is because they feel ignored and many have seen their quality of life get worse and worse. And I think the nationalistic thing is fear of having no identity. 

I'm probably over-simplifying but no doubt some of it is rooted in that.

I agree, and maybe that fear of losing your identity is why there's this antipathy towards the cities where you're just one person out of hundreds of thousands, many of whom aren't English. 

 

But at the same time I think there's always been a lot of resentment in English society to those we see as too successful. We tell ourselves that we are a nation that rewards drive and ambition but I think it might be a bit of a myth. 

[Kendal Fox]

2 minutes ago, bovril said:

I agree, and maybe that fear of losing your identity is why there's this antipathy towards the cities where you're just one person out of hundreds of thousands, many of whom aren't English. 

 

But at the same time I think there's always been a lot of resentment in English society to those we see as too successful. We tell ourselves that we are a nation that rewards drive and ambition but I think it might be a bit of a myth. 

Oh you've hit the nail on the head there. Couldn't agree more.

[urban.spaceman]

@UpTheLeagueFox

 

Geoff, mate, look. I don't ask for much. 

 

But can you please, pretty please, use your position in the media to make the following go "viral" on the old social medias?

 

I'm not sure if it's something you'll be into.

 

I think you'll agree it's what the country deserves right now.

 

Thanks.

 

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[theessexfox]

The Conservatives now have 5 years to actually improve the lives of people in those places that have been Labour for generations - the likes of Blyth, Workington, and Stoke-on-Trent. I have little faith that they'll actually be able to materially improve things, but they now have a clean slate - a big majority government and no parliamentary obstacles to negotiate in terms of Brexit. I just hope that in 5 years they'll be able to campaign on a positive message in terms of how they've improved the country in government, rather than the usual negative campaigning about the dangers of a Labour government, which is a depressing level of political discourse whichever side of the fence you sit on. I think Corbyn certainly gave the (generally structurally pro-establishment) media plenty of ammunition with which to attack him, but it's not like Miliband wasn't attacked from all quarters in 2015 - I remember headlines of 'Red Ed' despite the fact that the Conservatives now seem to have swallowed up most of his economic positions. The main point  being that I can't see any Labour leader, even if they are more moderate than Corbyn with less of a questionable past and foreign policy, being given a fair ride and not demonised as a radical Marxist by the media. I can't see myself ever ideologically aligning with the Conservatives but if they are able to campaign on  their achievements in office next time around rather than play down their own vision and attack the Left, I think everyone will be better off.

 

I just hope that those who have shown so much concern and fear about anti-Semitism in the Labour Party put that same energy to tackling all forms of racism in our politics and society. I don't want to turn this into another 'he said, she said', but Johnson's use of anti-Semitic tropes in 'Seventy Two Virgins' and other racist language he's used over the years need to be highlighted and challenged wherever they arise. Racism is a plague wherever it arises in our society and we need to tackle it honestly and vigorously, not just use it to score points in a general election campaign.

 

I also find it horribly depressing that we still have to think about tactical voting and we don't have a voting system that enables people to just choose the party that represents them best. I am still in favour of Single Transferable Vote, and the last three elections seemed to be rendering moot the main argument in favour of FPTP (delivering strong majority government), but this result is a bit dent in my hopes for electoral reform.