reynard Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 3 hours ago, StanSP said: This is the kind of shit that worries me even more than it did before. Yes we can all say 'it's Hopkins, ignore her, don't pay attention, don't give her airtime'. But the trouble is she has the audience and a supportive one at that. She has people who believe in to the vile racism on show here. You just know for sure she sees any non-White person as non-British. And there's people who seriously invest in to that and take it out in to the public. Look at the state of that tweet to a Muslim person in the Tory party. It's disgusting. I can promise you there are many more on the far right who see this victory as an endorsement of their own views on immigration and racism and they are much much worse than Katie Hopkins.
st albans fox Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 33 minutes ago, Finnaldo said: Since 1979 most liberal we’ve been is Centrist, we’ve mostly lurched right. Right wing under Thatcher > Centrism under Blair > Centre Right under Cameron/May > ??? Under Boris We’re more akin to a right-wing country. The only recent breakthrough parties we’ve had was UKIP & Brexit Party. Was thatcher really so 'right wing' ? i would have her bang in the middle of the right. Cameron/major centre right and blair centre left. expect boris will sit somewhere between Cameron and thatcher. the problem that mcdonnell has is he sees boris as extreme right - given how far to the left he is, i suppose that's understandable !!! but its the reason why labour didn't manage to gain any traction - once you vacate too far from the centre ground in this country, you simply cannot win an election.
Alf Bentley Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 2 hours ago, MattP said: Fun fact of the election following Pidcock losing, the Durham Minors Gala will next year be held in a Tory seat I'm not sure that getting involved in paedophilia is the way forward for the Tories.
Strokes Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 16 minutes ago, reynard said: I can promise you there are many more on the far right who see this victory as an endorsement of their own views on immigration and racism and they are much much worse than Katie Hopkins. Well instead of pouring scorn onto those who voted differently to you for non racist reasons (I’m not pointing the finger at you personally but I can tell where the tone of these posts usually end up going). Why don’t we raise the standard of debate (all of us) and make sure it’s acceptable to support the conservatives but are also able to condemn racist sympathisers without it being seen as one of the same.
Carl the Llama Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 7 minutes ago, Strokes said: Well instead of pouring scorn onto those who voted differently to you for non racist reasons (I’m not pointing the finger at you personally but I can tell where the tone of these posts usually end up going). Why don’t we raise the standard of debate (all of us) and make sure it’s acceptable to support the conservatives but are also able to condemn racist sympathisers without it being seen as one of the same. Fully agreed, more conservative posters pointing out that Hopkins is a vile stain on our country would be lovely. Also ohh Tommy Tommy.
reynard Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 1 minute ago, Strokes said: Well instead of pouring scorn onto those who voted differently to you for non racist reasons (I’m not pointing the finger at you personally but I can tell where the tone of these posts usually end up going). Why don’t we raise the standard of debate (all of us) and make sure it’s acceptable to support the conservatives but are also able to condemn racist sympathisers without it being seen as one of the same. I think you've taken my post the wrong way. It is possible to support any legitimate party and condemn racist sympathisers at the same time. Racism should be condemned by all parties. Unfortunately neither Labour nor the Conservatives have dealt with it. The tone and words used in the election campaign will be used in their usual twisted manner to further endorse their own ideas. The fact that the election was won by a party seen to have a strong anti-immigration message is exactly the sort of message these people want to hear even if it is not accurate. I'm certainly not belittling those who voted for the Conservatives in any way.
String fellow Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 The BBC keeps telling us that 326 seats is a majority in the House of Commons. But as Sinn Fein won't sit in their 7 seats and the new (Labour) Speaker can't vote except in the event of a tie, according to my arithmetic, that makes 322 seats as the majority figure. As regards Scotland, I wish Nicola Stir-up-geon would stop using English to make her speeches, when she seems so anti-English. How about talking in Scottish Gaelic, you bonnie wee lassie?
twoleftfeet Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 I feel that this victory will do little to heal the nation as a whole, but I also feel that a labour victory and a second referendum would have been just as divisive. The lib dem's where little more than Spurs in disguise thinking it was a two horse race but in reality not in the running since the second world war they have been a minority party. We need to settle our differences as a nation and accept Brexit is a reality and is going to happen and we have a chance to build Great Briton into a nation we can all be proud of. I would love to see a credible leader of the opposition who can hold this pleb (I voted for him) to account and spend the next 5 years working out what they need to offer to get the working class vote back, its great that we have in the labour party a party that stands for minority issues but we need a party that stands for main stream issues as well whilst the issues that face albino one legged three armed people are important, issues that face the average joe in the street are just as important and so are our concerns don't just dismiss people as racist when they are fear of the change that is happening in their communities listen to the concerns and act on them and I am not suggesting take sides take those activists that you mobilise when you want the peoples votes and assist in the communities to help those incomers integrate better into the local communities.
Jattdogg Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 Everyone just needs to rub a few off and all is forgotten
RumbleFox Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 It seems to me the left (of which I am part) ignored and belittled the will of the people after the brexit referendum and have paid the price. I am deeply, deeply depressed yet deeply deeply, unsurprised. X
Guest MattP Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 3 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: Fully agreed, more conservative posters pointing out that Hopkins is a vile stain on our country would be lovely. Also ohh Tommy Tommy. She is a vile stain and she isn't anything to do with the conservatives. This election saw Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson back the Tories and Nick Griffin and the ex leader of the KK back Corbyn. Our society probably needs to reflect on that.
reynard Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 1 minute ago, MattP said: She is a vile stain and she isn't anything to do with the conservatives. This election saw Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson back the Tories and Nick Griffin and the ex leader of the KK back Corbyn. Our society probably needs to reflect on that. Absolutely agree!
Foxin_Mad Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 Most baffling and worrying for the Labour party is Corbyn and McDonnell haven't quit yet. We need decent opposition, not a pathetic hard left party. Labour need to scrap the momentum bunch and become centre left once again. There is no place for the hard left in the UK, their behaviour and bullying is disgusting, Labour with momentum are the nasty party. If they dont wake up the Labour party is dead.
urban.spaceman Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 They’re right, but were they complaining about the state of the system when UKIP got 4m votes per MP in 2015?!
lestajigs Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 So so many people who have voted labour all there life, and just because of Corbyn they changed!! Jeremy corbyn you have pretty much ruined the party 😂😂😂😂
Innovindil Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 People will rage over it, but that's a good speech from Boris, and exactly what I'd want to hear. Fingers crossed he means it. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50786580
Mike Oxlong Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 This one nation shit How does that square with kicking 21 moderate MPs out ?
Mike Oxlong Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 Nigel Dodds must be absolutely gutted Losing his seat meant he got a hug and a kiss off Arlene Foster
wardyfox86 Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 1 hour ago, twoleftfeet said: I feel that this victory will do little to heal the nation as a whole, but I also feel that a labour victory and a second referendum would have been just as divisive. The lib dem's where little more than Spurs in disguise thinking it was a two horse race but in reality not in the running since the second world war they have been a minority party. We need to settle our differences as a nation and accept Brexit is a reality and is going to happen and we have a chance to build Great Briton into a nation we can all be proud of. I would love to see a credible leader of the opposition who can hold this pleb (I voted for him) to account and spend the next 5 years working out what they need to offer to get the working class vote back, its great that we have in the labour party a party that stands for minority issues but we need a party that stands for main stream issues as well whilst the issues that face albino one legged three armed people are important, issues that face the average joe in the street are just as important and so are our concerns don't just dismiss people as racist when they are fear of the change that is happening in their communities listen to the concerns and act on them and I am not suggesting take sides take those activists that you mobilise when you want the peoples votes and assist in the communities to help those incomers integrate better into the local communities. 1 hour ago, Jattdogg said: Everyone just needs to rub a few off and all is forgotten 2 very valid opinions
Strokes Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 1 hour ago, reynard said: I think you've taken my post the wrong way. It is possible to support any legitimate party and condemn racist sympathisers at the same time. Racism should be condemned by all parties. Unfortunately neither Labour nor the Conservatives have dealt with it. The tone and words used in the election campaign will be used in their usual twisted manner to further endorse their own ideas. The fact that the election was won by a party seen to have a strong anti-immigration message is exactly the sort of message these people want to hear even if it is not accurate. I'm certainly not belittling those who voted for the Conservatives in any way. I did say in my post I didn’t believe you were but I’ve seen time and time again where this type of dialogue goes. I just wanted to put my flag out there, not use you as an example. Most of us in here have been guilty of similar, or deliberately antagonising the other side. Whatever. Now the brexit thing is done and dusted, we have a clear direction. I’d like to get back to civil debate, it used to be quite a fun place to come, with the odd occasional ding dong but since the referendum it’s been the pits. Most people in here I respect.
Milo Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 Does anyone have that picture of Winnie the Pooh and Piglet, saying ‘I voted Labour/I voted conservative - can we be friends, let’s go to the pub’? Just trawled through loads of pages but can’t find it....
Strokes Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 3 minutes ago, Milo said: Does anyone have that picture of Winnie the Pooh and Piglet, saying ‘I voted Labour/I voted conservative - can we be friends, let’s go to the pub’? Just trawled through loads of pages but can’t find it.... @UpTheLeagueFox posted it iirc.
bovril Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 8 minutes ago, Milo said: Does anyone have that picture of Winnie the Pooh and Piglet, saying ‘I voted Labour/I voted conservative - can we be friends, let’s go to the pub’? Just trawled through loads of pages but can’t find it.... bit cringey though
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 13 December 2019 Posted 13 December 2019 13 minutes ago, Milo said: Does anyone have that picture of Winnie the Pooh and Piglet, saying ‘I voted Labour/I voted conservative - can we be friends, let’s go to the pub’? Just trawled through loads of pages but can’t find it.... 10 minutes ago, Strokes said: @UpTheLeagueFox posted it iirc. Here you go!
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