LC/FC Posted 6 December 2019 Posted 6 December 2019 41 minutes ago, HitchinFox said: Arsenal Fan TV on 5 December: "Why wouldn't Rodgers come, fam? We're bigger, you understand? He would join us in a heartbeat, blood, you understand? He's the best choice out there, fam." Arsenal Fan TV on 6 December: "Allegri or Benitez for me, fam. Those are the best choices out there, fam. You understand?" God, I probably need to stop watching and laughing at AFTV, as I read that in Troopz's voice.
womp Posted 6 December 2019 Posted 6 December 2019 brilliant news!!! 5 years sounds huge and is but when you look at maddison,chillwell etc.. they will be only around 28.
StriderHiryu Posted 6 December 2019 Posted 6 December 2019 49 minutes ago, baldeagle said: LOL at the choice of music! Good one from the social media team! I think this will lead to a spate of new contracts. I expect to see Ricardo, Soyuncu and Maddison all sign new deals by the end of the season, if not sooner.
st albans fox Posted 6 December 2019 Posted 6 December 2019 1 hour ago, Clever Fox said: Not disputing that at all. I was merely answering albums question. I don't for a minute think he done it for the money. It's more about the opportunity we present. He doesn't need the money, he's already wealthy. 1 hour ago, Markyblue said: Lets be honest he would be sure to be very wealthy wherever he went, he hopefully is buying into a vision and bright future for our club. The point being we wouldn’t let him leave and he wouldn’t want to sully his reputation by walking out after eight months - so why would he turn down a wedge more dosh
Clever Fox Posted 6 December 2019 Posted 6 December 2019 3 minutes ago, st albans fox said: The point being we wouldn’t let him leave and he wouldn’t want to sully his reputation by walking out after eight months - so why would he turn down a wedge more dosh No you can't blame him for taking the money. But I do think it's the opportunity we present that excites him. Rather than taking on all the problems Arsenal present. Regardless of the the money I'm really excited about us properly challenging for trophies now. Our team is so close to the finished article, not that there's ever such a thing in football.
Tom12345 Posted 6 December 2019 Posted 6 December 2019 6 hours ago, Kitchandro said: You can't seriously be saying those 2 were good appointments. We actually wasted 2 years messing about with Shakespeare and Puel - that, if anything, is what we should have learned from the last few months under Rodgers. Good managers do not need a lot of time and do not make excuses. I mean for god's sake, even the players have admitted hating Puel, can we just stop avoiding the fact he was a terrible manager? I was talking about making those decisions to sack, not appoint - so I meant that they made the right choice in “sacking” Shakespeare and then “sacking” Puel at the time that they did. Having said that, I do believe Puel was not a bad manager and did indeed do the dirty work that enabled Rodgers to come in and achieve what he has achieved within a short time. So I have to disagree with you there. Even Rodgers himself mentioned the work that Puel did (ie. trying to add possession football to our play) which he could take on and move it forward to where it is today - in the interview earlier today! So you cannot skip history and not look at context. Puel took over a bunch of players still with the egos from the title winning season stuck in their mind about the one dimensional counter attacking style. Even some fans were calling for that! Puel brought in Ricardo, Soyuncu, Maddison and Tielemans - 4 key players in our starting 11. He groomed Chilwell and insisted on him over title winning hero Fuchs - who was definitely better than Chilwell at the time. He said he was trying to coach Vardy to learn new ways of playing in the box so he can prolong his career - exactly what Rodgers has been saying too. More importantly Puel spent a lot of time telling the players to change style - when you do that with big ego players you will get the hate and the bad results. When Rodgers come in - the players have been through the hard yards already and realised they also needed to change. This is why Rodgers could be so effective in coming in and change the mentality. Said it many times before. Puel started the project - he was the builder who came in and knocked the old house down and laid the bricks for a new home (for the same project). But he was a bricklayer. His work was done and could not really finish it off with the nice finishing on the inside (interior design - mentality - where Rodgers is excellent) and on the outside (the landscape and the end product from the outside - again Rodgers is excellent). Puel had used up all his political coins to force change and had taken the team as far as he could. We saw the potential of the team back then - and we could beat Liverpool and Man City! And we were frustrated in seeing some obvious stubbornness and blindsided-ness in Puel - eg. he played Ndidi but he made him (in my opinion but you may have a different view) do too much (or he didnt rein him in) so he was breaking up plays too much. But he knew the greatness of Ndidi so he insisted using him (great) but he could not see Ndidi’s limitations. (This is not a post about Ndidi.) So, to conclude, no if Rodgers came in after Shakepeare, he would have struggled for a while too. Just think about the squad we had back then. Dont get me wrong Rodgers is an upgrade - but you cant use a Rolls Royce on a dirty bumpy road (Even if we could, he would have had to use quite a bit of political capital to force change just like Puel did although he could probably use up less because he does seem to have much better man management skills.). But when we could, the club saw it and made the change and that was what I said about the brilliance in the club’s decision making.
That_Dude Posted 6 December 2019 Posted 6 December 2019 Wait for the summer. Delighted by the news but the cynical in me says that the new contract's more a way for him to get more money should he go to another club.
That_Dude Posted 6 December 2019 Posted 6 December 2019 4 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: I have no view either way on this Thought you'd pop up for your monthly dig.
Babylon Posted 6 December 2019 Posted 6 December 2019 4 hours ago, Kitchandro said: You can't seriously be saying those 2 were good appointments. We actually wasted 2 years messing about with Shakespeare and Puel - that, if anything, is what we should have learned from the last few months under Rodgers. Good managers do not need a lot of time and do not make excuses. I mean for god's sake, even the players have admitted hating Puel, can we just stop avoiding the fact he was a terrible manager? You wouldn’t have got Rodgers when Puel took over, we might have wanted him but the “project” looked a far harder and a far shitter one. Whether you wish to give the club or Puel, or both the credit. During his time we transitioned the club from one relying on old players past or passing their best, unable to play possession football, to one of the most exciting young teams around already making strides into being possession team. So to suggest that time was wasted is laughable.
Tom12345 Posted 6 December 2019 Posted 6 December 2019 12 hours ago, That_Dude said: Wait for the summer. Delighted by the news but the cynical in me says that the new contract's more a way for him to get more money should he go to another club. Look, we cannot stop anyone leave their jobs. It is a free market. All the club can do is to make him feel this is where he should be and he is appreciated! If I get to be in a really exciting startup and I am in the middle of it all calling shots and creating history, and the owners give me a 80% payrise after 8 months, and all my customers/fans love what we do, I am not sure I would want to go anywhere else? Why go to Man U and be sacked after 1 year? Or Real Madrid where it could be shorter. I really dont get all this talk of other “top” jobs. The only one I can think of is Man City after Pep leaves but even then the sense of achievement would never be the same as taking Leicester to the top!
worthosoriginals Posted 6 December 2019 Posted 6 December 2019 3 hours ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said: Well I spoke to him in the local shop and he said it wasn’t. Sorry So Roy Hodgson was once a teenager?
Chrysalis Posted 6 December 2019 Posted 6 December 2019 I can only assume the club themselves authorised the leak about him working on a new deal, I dont understand the logic behind that process instead of formally announcing it. But glad he has signed a new contract.
Chrysalis Posted 6 December 2019 Posted 6 December 2019 7 hours ago, Heymister2015 said: its lucky he's here at a time we have the best owners in football, the new training ground and stadium plans! Otherwise he'd be gone! every time I see a video of our training ground it looks like they training in a garden, I am reminded why we building a new training complex.
iamafox Posted 6 December 2019 Posted 6 December 2019 Fantastic news. Now we can put the annoying 'Brendan to Arsenal' speculation to bed.
Chrysalis Posted 6 December 2019 Posted 6 December 2019 5 hours ago, Kitchandro said: You can't seriously be saying those 2 were good appointments. We actually wasted 2 years messing about with Shakespeare and Puel - that, if anything, is what we should have learned from the last few months under Rodgers. Good managers do not need a lot of time and do not make excuses. I mean for god's sake, even the players have admitted hating Puel, can we just stop avoiding the fact he was a terrible manager? Puel was not a waste of time, he made the team attractive enough for Rodgers to want to join in the first place, look at the changes made to the team during his tenure and the style changes to the way we played. Puel did a reasonable job, but he did hit his limit with us.
mozartfox Posted 7 December 2019 Posted 7 December 2019 3 hours ago, womp said: brilliant news!!! 5 years sounds huge and is but when you look at maddison,chillwell etc.. they will be only around 28. And Wes 41
foxy boxing Posted 7 December 2019 Posted 7 December 2019 Fantastic news, keeps the the club and the squad on an upward curve, where we can keep developing and improving which all means a better calibre of player will want to come here and we are more likely to hit our transfer targets as well as keeping the players we want.
Gerard Posted 7 December 2019 Posted 7 December 2019 11 hours ago, Chrysalis said: every time I see a video of our training ground it looks like they training in a garden, I am reminded why we building a new training complex. Looks like a Leicestershire Senior League side training.
foxinsocks Posted 7 December 2019 Posted 7 December 2019 1 hour ago, foxinsocks said: Any idea of his wages yet? Mail say £8mil per year... that just a bit more than vardy
midland_red Posted 7 December 2019 Posted 7 December 2019 14 hours ago, Tom12345 said: I was talking about making those decisions to sack, not appoint - so I meant that they made the right choice in “sacking” Shakespeare and then “sacking” Puel at the time that they did. Having said that, I do believe Puel was not a bad manager and did indeed do the dirty work that enabled Rodgers to come in and achieve what he has achieved within a short time. So I have to disagree with you there. Even Rodgers himself mentioned the work that Puel did (ie. trying to add possession football to our play) which he could take on and move it forward to where it is today - in the interview earlier today! So you cannot skip history and not look at context. Puel took over a bunch of players still with the egos from the title winning season stuck in their mind about the one dimensional counter attacking style. Even some fans were calling for that! Puel brought in Ricardo, Soyuncu, Maddison and Tielemans - 4 key players in our starting 11. He groomed Chilwell and insisted on him over title winning hero Fuchs - who was definitely better than Chilwell at the time. He said he was trying to coach Vardy to learn new ways of playing in the box so he can prolong his career - exactly what Rodgers has been saying too. More importantly Puel spent a lot of time telling the players to change style - when you do that with big ego players you will get the hate and the bad results. When Rodgers come in - the players have been through the hard yards already and realised they also needed to change. This is why Rodgers could be so effective in coming in and change the mentality. Said it many times before. Puel started the project - he was the builder who came in and knocked the old house down and laid the bricks for a new home (for the same project). But he was a bricklayer. His work was done and could not really finish it off with the nice finishing on the inside (interior design - mentality - where Rodgers is excellent) and on the outside (the landscape and the end product from the outside - again Rodgers is excellent). Puel had used up all his political coins to force change and had taken the team as far as he could. We saw the potential of the team back then - and we could beat Liverpool and Man City! And we were frustrated in seeing some obvious stubbornness and blindsided-ness in Puel - eg. he played Ndidi but he made him (in my opinion but you may have a different view) do too much (or he didnt rein him in) so he was breaking up plays too much. But he knew the greatness of Ndidi so he insisted using him (great) but he could not see Ndidi’s limitations. (This is not a post about Ndidi.) So, to conclude, no if Rodgers came in after Shakepeare, he would have struggled for a while too. Just think about the squad we had back then. Dont get me wrong Rodgers is an upgrade - but you cant use a Rolls Royce on a dirty bumpy road (Even if we could, he would have had to use quite a bit of political capital to force change just like Puel did although he could probably use up less because he does seem to have much better man management skills.). But when we could, the club saw it and made the change and that was what I said about the brilliance in the club’s decision making. Excellent, balanced post
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 7 December 2019 Posted 7 December 2019 13 hours ago, That_Dude said: Thought you'd pop up for your monthly dig. It wasn't a dig though But as you were!
HighPeakFox Posted 7 December 2019 Posted 7 December 2019 23 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: It wasn't a dig though But as you were! What was it then, constructive?
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 7 December 2019 Posted 7 December 2019 16 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said: What was it then, constructive? Nope, not that either. Next question.
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