Corona Virus

[Izzy]

4 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Genuine question for @Izzyand @cambridge_fox I think, is there really nothing in the way of support for you guys?

I've been given the enviable task of trying to get money owed from my customers, and to support this I've been given a list of probably around 10 different support measures available to small businesses. Does it look and sound better than it actually is? 

I'm a bit of a minority case Deb which is why I'll get nothing currently.

Most self employed people are classed as Sole Traders and can get support.

Most business owners are Ltd companies and employ staff and they can also get support.

Then you'e got self employed people like me who are also registered as a Ltd company who fall in the middle and get nowt (currently) as we only pay ourselves a minimum tax free salary and take the rest as dividends (which can vary month to month)

My own choice to be a Ltd company on my Accountants advice and having been called a 'Tax Dodger' a few times on here, I doubt I'll get much sympathy  

[joachim1965]

30 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Just saw this, it's so sad. We all owe so much to people like this, so selfless 

These people are true heroes,  I can't find the words to express how wonderful these selfless people are, he didn't have to put himself in danger but chose to so he could help others.

[StanSP]

Did Alok Sharma say there's no plan for mass testing? 

[fuchsntf]

4 hours ago, RumbleFox said:

David “son of God, lizard people” Icke? I always find people either don’t really pay attention to conspiracy theories or they seem to believe all of them. I think in general a belief in conspiracies says more about the person than the theory. Numerous studies show certain traits pop up more often amongst theorists....

 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/09/180925075108.htm

 

That is not to say some may not be true but I haven’t seen anything compelling with regards to Covid-19. X 

Bit thats the point...True or false Facts on conspiracies, One doesn't find or see anything compelling,until the truth is discovered Shockingly well after,or Not at all. 

We are all turds bobbing up & down on the whims of the current....

[Dahnsouff]

3 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

Bit thats the point...True or false Facts on conspiracies, One doesn't find or see anything compelling,until the truth is discovered Shockingly well after,or Not at all. 

We are all turds bobbing up & down on the whims of the current....

A poetic picture if ever there were one 

[urban.spaceman]

Third. World. Country. 
 

 

[Leicester_Loyal]

Honestly can't see us getting big testing numbers for a long time, if ever. If we were something would have happened by now surely?

[yorkie1999]

Just a polite notice about social distancing

[yorkie1999]

5 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Honestly can't see us getting big testing numbers for a long time, if ever. If we were something would have happened by now surely?

It's the British way, always has been, in times of trouble, let's go down the pub. The Germans on the other hand. test. test. test. Eins zwei drei

[reynard]

2 hours ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Can’t understand why in this day and age it’s so hard to get a consolidated daily figure.

I think it is to do with the way deaths are registered and the number of days taken.

[Kendal Fox]

4 hours ago, brucey said:

By far the major vector of spread will be in the community. Sure, if we had enough resources to quarantine and test the arrivals, we could probably remove an extra 5% of the spread. But our hotels are being used to house NHS workers and we already haven't got enough tests for patients or staff. Temperature checks are ineffective (asymptomatics / paracetamol). We could ban flights from those places altogether, but the government believes that those who want to fly here will just transit through a non-banned country. 

 

But the countries that closed their borders weeks ago, such as Australia, Czech Republic, Germany, New Zealand, Poland,etc, have much lower fatalities. Surely there's a pattern there?? And there is nothing in the mainstream media (or anywhere online) as to why we haven't closed our borders yet?

 

All we hear about is the exponential rate of the virus in the UK now but nothing on how international visitors are still allowed here and that there might just be a correlation with lower rates of infection/mortality and countries shutting their borders!? What am I missing here?

Edited 1 April 2020 by Kendal Fox

[Mike Oxlong]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

Did Alok Sharma say there's no plan for mass testing? 

As long as royalty and politicians get tested we’ll be just fine 

[Kendal Fox]

1 minute ago, Mike Oxlong said:

As long as royalty and politicians get tested we’ll be just fine 

It's also interesting that the reported public figures who tested positive have either had mild symptoms or were ill for a few days before recovering. Is that just a coincidence or did they receive the care that so many regular members of the public have reported not being given?

 

Even 3 weeks ago, several people mentioned hospitals refusing to treat them, despite the fact we weren't overwhelmed then. There are just so many unanswered questions...

[st albans fox]

4 minutes ago, Kendal Fox said:

It's also interesting that the reported public figures who tested positive have either had mild symptoms or were ill for a few days before recovering. Is that just a coincidence or did they receive the care that so many regular members of the public have reported not being given?

 

Even 3 weeks ago, several people mentioned hospitals refusing to treat them, despite the fact we weren't overwhelmed then. There are just so many unanswered questions...

I think it’s because the vast majority of those who catch this have a mild illness ..... there is no treatment or care ......... it could be related to 9/11 ........

[yorkie1999]

2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I think it’s because the vast majority of those who catch this have a mild illness ..... there is no treatment or care ......... it could be related to 9/11 ........

How do you mean, 9/11

[Wymsey]

2 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

How do you mean, 9/11

Think he means some people who were present during that tradegy developed long-term conditions as a result of this event either immediately or years after (such as breathing problems, cancer diagnosis's etc).

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[Guest Markyblue]

9 minutes ago, Kendal Fox said:

It's also interesting that the reported public figures who tested positive have either had mild symptoms or were ill for a few days before recovering. Is that just a coincidence or did they receive the care that so many regular members of the public have reported not being given?

 

Even 3 weeks ago, several people mentioned hospitals refusing to treat them, despite the fact we weren't overwhelmed then. There are just so many unanswered questions...

Yes the state keeping the rich alive or the vast majority having no symptoms or very mild symptoms. Lets get sherlock Holmes in.

[st albans fox]

5 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

How do you mean, 9/11

Sorry - whoosh ......

 

1 minute ago, Markyblue said:

Yes the state keeping the rich alive or the vast majority having no symptoms or very mild symptoms. Lets get sherlock Holmes in.

Really ?  It’s not the state ...... it’s called money ....you’d be amazed what you can do with it ......... I guess if you have the money and you need a ventilator then you buy one ..........

[Kendal Fox]

31 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I think it’s because the vast majority of those who catch this have a mild illness ..... there is no treatment or care ......... it could be related to 9/11 ........

This is what confuses me. They started off saying most people have it mildly, but then they changed gears and there's hardly any mention of that now. 

 

Also, it was downgraded from a high consequence infectious disease by the Govt 2 weeks ago, with some explanations being that it was so regular hospitals could treat those infected with it. But that has proved to be untrue as there are accounts of numerous hospitals up and down the country not treating people who have it, with only certain hospitals designated.

 

And they are building specialist units to treat coronavirus which would suggest it IS a high consequence infectious disease. But the last time I checked the GOV.UK website it was still listed as not being "High Consequence"? I mean, both can't be true but we are all just thrashing about in the dark whilst the mainstream media and Govt fail to address any of this.

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[Guest Harrydc]

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[stripeyfox]

1 hour ago, Izzy said:

I'm a bit of a minority case Deb which is why I'll get nothing currently.

Most self employed people are classed as Sole Traders and can get support.

Most business owners are Ltd companies and employ staff and they can also get support.

Then you'e got self employed people like me who are also registered as a Ltd company who fall in the middle and get nowt (currently) as we only pay ourselves a minimum tax free salary and take the rest as dividends (which can vary month to month)

My own choice to be a Ltd company on my Accountants advice and having been called a 'Tax Dodger' a few times on here, I doubt I'll get much sympathy  

I sympathize mate. It's a real worry, especially on top of everything else you've got going on. I suppose the best we can hope for is after a month or two, things start to get back to normal and there is a bounce-back.

 

Really hope you're ok mate

 

 

 

[Guest Markyblue]

2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Sorry - whoosh ......

 

Really ?  It’s not the state ...... it’s called money ....you’d be amazed what you can do with it ......... I guess if you have the money and you need a ventilator then you buy one ..........

Or you can be like the vast majority and have no or mild symptoms... no matter what money you have or even a ventilator, you cant suddenly change your immune system,  people on ventilators are still dying. 

[Paninistickers]

2 minutes ago, Markyblue said:

Or you can be like the vast majority and have no or mild symptoms... no matter what money you have or even a ventilator, you cant suddenly change your immune system,  people on ventilators are still dying. 

It'd be interesting to see the recovery rates of those who end up on a ventilator. 

 

Are there any figures of survival for those slipping so deep that they need artificial breathing apparatus? 

[yorkie1999]

11 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

So I got sent this. What do people think? Disclaimer: I'm not saying I agree with anything. 

 

 

 

How come the testing centres we have set up here all appear empty when you see images on the news?

[Guest Markyblue]

3 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

It'd be interesting to see the recovery rates of those who end up on a ventilator. 

 

Are there any figures of survival for those slipping so deep that they need artificial breathing apparatus? 

I think because a lot are on ventilators for a couple of weeks at least we are probably going to have to wait a few weeks for reliable data.