Corona Virus

[yorkie1999]

32 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

So if there was a chap getting 80 tests a day, unlikely I know, you'd be satisfied as that being part of the statistics? 

 

Daft point I know, but it illuminates the point. We should be testing a broad sample not repeating the same one. And you well know that. 

Didn't someone on here post about someone having 2 tests that were negative and then 1 positive after the nurses believed the patient was positive and consequently asked for another test. 100000 tests might be only 30000 people.

[foxile5]

3 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Didn't someone on here post about someone having 2 tests that were negative and then 1 positive after the nurses believed the patient was positive and consequently asked for another test. 100000 tests might be only 30000 people.

'but they've done 100,000 tests' 

 

We're stuffing it up in a lot of ways and it's baffling how the government have set themselves targets they're ill prepared to deal with. 

 

 

[joachim1965]

27 minutes ago, twoleftfeet said:

How many customers or patrons are there in a barrel.

If I'm drinking, then just one.

[Danizen]

I think it's good news that you have to go looking for the latest statistics rather than them being rammed in your face. During the peak days you literally couldn't get away from the latest death figures but good news doesn't sell, I suppose.

[String fellow]

The former Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt seemed to understand the urgency and enormity of the impending crisis much sooner than many in government did.

[Dahnsouff]

1 hour ago, foxile5 said:

'but they've done 100,000 tests' 

 

We're stuffing it up in a lot of ways and it's baffling how the government have set themselves targets they're ill prepared to deal with. 

Unfortunately, and I am not having a go, but isn't this is the published language versus personal perception of said language isn`t it?

If the Government say 500 tests, and they test 100 people 5 times, they are not incorrect, but the readers perception of what the Government meant could well be different.

The question then is, are the Government being disingenuous with their claims, should they be reporting individuals and not tests or is it at the readers feet that this perception issue lies?

There is clearly a very good reason to test some people multiple times, and with some level of frequency you would imagine.

 

This may have been done to death and apologies if so.

[yorkie1999]

13 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Unfortunately, and I am not having a go, but isn't this is the published language versus personal perception of said language isn`t it?

If the Government say 500 tests, and they test 100 people 5 times, they are not incorrect, but the readers perception of what the Government meant could well be different.

The question then is, are the Government being disingenuous with their claims, should they be reporting individuals and not tests or is it at the readers feet that this perception issue lies?

There is clearly a very good reason to test some people multiple times, and with some level of frequency you would imagine.

 

This may have been done to death and apologies if so.

Course they are. They know the whole point of testing is to determine how many people have corona virus so they can control the situation. It's all about popularity and attempting to confuse the public with positive statements, which they have done since the very start. Politics is all about being able to bullshit the electorate, but with charm.

[filbertway]

I cant even work out how you'd record a test against an individual.

 

The thought crossed my mind but then I was struggling to work out how they would know, so just decided it made sense that it was broad. Also they said total tests and not total people tested.

 

I suppose all this proves is that people take the same information and process it differently haha.

[Dahnsouff]

23 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Course they are. They know the whole point of testing is to determine how many people have corona virus so they can control the situation. It's all about popularity and attempting to confuse the public with positive statements, which they have done since the very start. Politics is all about being able to bullshit the electorate, but with charm.

Well maybe, but it sort of veers away from the discussion a bit! 

 

Bit in bold 

[StanSP]

Why is it only from 8th June that people flying in to UK have to self-quarantine? Why not sooner? 

[filbertway]

8 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Why is it only from 8th June that people flying in to UK have to self-quarantine? Why not sooner? 

Potentially planning further relaxations at that point? At the minute you're very unlikely to pass on anything with the current guidelines in place.

 

Maybe they're being relaxed further at that point?

 

Its the only reason I can think of atm anyway haha

[StanSP]

4 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Potentially planning further relaxations at that point? At the minute you're very unlikely to pass on anything with the current guidelines in place.

 

Maybe they're being relaxed further at that point?

 

Its the only reason I can think of atm anyway haha

Perhaps it's in line with planned changed to lockdown from 2nd or 3rd June (can't remember the timeline) 

[filbertway]

1 minute ago, StanSP said:

Perhaps it's in line with planned changed to lockdown from 2nd or 3rd June (can't remember the timeline) 

Yeah, thats the only logic behind it. Which would suggest they're planning to relax how we socialise a bit more.

Not gonna get my hopes up like I did last time though. Took me a about a week to recover from the last announcement haha

[Leicester_Loyal]

34 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Why is it only from 8th June that people flying in to UK have to self-quarantine? Why not sooner? 

Is it not something to do with more flights happening from then? I know Easyjet start June 15th and Ryanair are starting European flights in July.

 

You would have thought the self-quarantine would have been done ages ago (not that they'll be able to police it anyway).

[Costock_Fox]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

Why is it only from 8th June that people flying in to UK have to self-quarantine? Why not sooner? 

Because the contact tracing isn’t up and running yet I guess.

[oxford blue]

I see Shearing's parent company has gone into administration:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-52776657

 

I fear the first of many holidayt companies, particularly with confirmation of the quarantine measure announced today. No income for months - and none likely in foreseeable future, unless the "air bridges" idea takes effect after the first 3 week review.

 

Some airlines will also struggle and likely to fold.

 

 

[Parafox]

27 minutes ago, oxford blue said:

I see Shearing's parent company has gone into administration:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-52776657

 

I fear the first of many holidayt companies, particularly with confirmation of the quarantine measure announced today. No income for months - and none likely in foreseeable future, unless the "air bridges" idea takes effect after the first 3 week review.

 

Some airlines will also struggle and likely to fold.

 

 

Hopefully horrible Ryanair and their arrogant CEO/owner will succumb

[davieG]

5 hours ago, chinna said:

If only Jeremy Hunt had one the leadership contest he was right from the start

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/23/cant-stop-coronavirus-unless-urgently-test-people-jeremy-hunt/

 

4 hours ago, String fellow said:

The former Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt seemed to understand the urgency and enormity of the impending crisis much sooner than many in government did.

But he also admitted earlier that a lot of the problems the NHS were facing was down to the decisions he made as Health Secretary.

 

So it's a bit rich and hypocritical him coming out with his holier than thou persona maybe if they'd hadn't had to spend time and money correcting his decisions we could have progressed quicker and more effectively.

 

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Coronavirus: Jeremy Hunt's officials blocked call for medics to have eye protection 3 years ago

Former Health Secretary was in charge when medical advice to stockpile protective equipment in event of flu pandemic was rejected

By Paul Gallagher

Friday, 27th March 2020, 5:36 pm

UpdatedFriday, 27th March 2020, 8:59 pm

Jeremy Hunt was Health Secretary in 2017 when the request to give NHS staff more protective equipment was rejected (Photo: Jeff J Mitchell/Getty)

NHS staff should have received certain protective equipment three years ago in the event of an influenza pandemic, but stockpiling it was considered too expensive by the Department of Health.

Officials working for then Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt rejected medical advice that eye protection should be provided to all healthcare professionals who have close contact with pandemic influenza patients. The advice was watered down after an “economic assessment” found a medical recommendation about providing visors or safety glasses would “substantially increase” the costs of stockpiling.

The documents, seen by the Guardian, may help explain the shortage of personal protective equipment (PPE) in the NHS that is hampering efforts by medical staff to manage the coronavirus outbreak.

Mr Hunt, who was Health Secretary between 2012 and 2018 and now chairs the health select committee, has called for frontline staff battling the coronavirus to be better quipped. "It is absolutely heartbreaking when NHS frontline professionals don’t have the equipment that they need," he said last week.

Mr Hunt's spokeswoman said: “Jeremy does not believe he was personally involved in decisions about PPE for NHS staff, but was acutely aware of the shortage of funds in the NHS budget which was why that year he fought for and secured an £8bn rise in the NHS annual budget followed by a £20bn rise two years later.”

 

 

[st albans fox]

8 hours ago, Bryn said:

I'm reading on low quality sources online that not only is the COVID-19 Test and Trace app NOT going to be ready for June 1st, but that the Government turned down good-to-go apps made by the likes of Google and Apple in order to grant a £250m contract for its development to a company owned by Dominic Cumming's brother, who was permitted to sit in SAGE meetings and which has subsequently failed to deliver. Does anyone know any more about this?

 

7 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Certain sections of media reported it three weeks ago including the Guardian 
 

The latest thing about counting two samples from the same person as two tests...deary me, it’s increasingly like a spoof this debacle 

As far as I can see it’s developed by NHS X so it’s in-house.  (Though who knows if they have contracted any of it out - years ago, any tech systems designed  by the state were terrible .....maybe that’s changed ??)

 

 

[twoleftfeet]

The civil service and the nhs have a history of bad technology purchases https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/sep/18/nhs-records-system-10bn

[Trumpet]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-labour-demands-explanation-after-reports-dominic-cummings-broke-lockdown-rules-11993051

[st albans fox]

44 minutes ago, twoleftfeet said:

The civil service and the nhs have a history of bad technology purchases https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/sep/18/nhs-records-system-10bn

When I qualified in the mid eighties in computer studies, all the clever people went into non state companies and all the rest got jobs in the public sector .  I doubt anything has changed ..... as ever, you pay peanuts ...........

Edited 22 May 2020 by st albans fox

[String fellow]

As the government's chief adviser, maybe Dominic Cummings will be advising them on what to do about his lock-down rule-breaking!

[Leicester_Loyal]

Cummings is obviously just going to say he went there for childcare, to be looked after or something else isn't he, even if he was breaking the rules. Can't see them sacking him nor him resigning. If it wasn't for a good reason though it's shocking and again sums up the us vs. them mentality of parliament & Co (I'm aware he's not actually elected but yeah).

[Guest Fktf]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

When I qualified in the mid eighties in computer studies, all the clever people went into non state companies and all the rest got jobs in the public sector .  I doubt anything has changed ..... as ever, you pay peanuts ...........

And here you are in St Albans with a commute, rather than living in London