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The first lockdown reduced  transmission effectively and has allowed a few treatments to become established in time for the second wave. 
 

I don’t see any point in more full lockdowns ...... more education is needed ...

 

somehow you need to carry the population with you 

 

if you worked on the basis that everyone you come across has covid and that you don’t want to contract it then I suspect we can get through to a vaccine or next summer) without the hospitals becoming overwhelmed.  The issue at the moment is that too many people see the rules as a challenge and won’t adhere to them.  

 

and allowing fans back into stadiums would be a good way of taking the public with you .... it’s feasible to do it safely 

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15 hours ago, fuchsntf said:

We are fukked, 

 

We are dead.....Close thread..!!

Theres more life & intelligence in the Darien gap, and the space in between...!!!

 

 

I'm feeling your pain mate.

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I think the welsh govt will have to reverse their ‘essential’ items edict in supermarkets ...... how do people in such positions of authority make such inept  decisions ......

 

just ask the public to only buy non essential items if they absolutely have to in order to reduce the chances of transmission by being in shops longer than is necessary............ that’s grown up and I suspect would carry support 

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16 hours ago, WigstonWanderer said:

So if I’ve understood, @dsr-burnleyis saying that lockdowns don’t work in the long term because shutting down to achieve lower infection in the short term just means that infection rates rise later on when they’ve been lifted? I actually agree with that.

 

This is exactly what the original Imperial College paper suggested if I recall, and that’s why the government started off with a herd immunity strategy. The objective was to let it run through the population as quickly as possible, but when hospitals were threatened with being overwhelmed they imposed a lockdown.

 

A lockdown isn’t a long term policy, it’s a relatively short term strategy to reduce infection rates. Either it can be used as described above as a last resort to protect health services, or with a view to driving rates down until they are manageable by contact tracing, testing and isolation measures such as in Australia, South Korea and elsewhere.

 

It is certainly true to say that most western style countries have failed to lock in low infection rates when they perhaps had the chance.

This is what people seem to forget with the uk (and most of Europe) strategy with lockdowns. They're to keep health services functioning so they can treat people who will recover with a bit of help, not keep 80yr olds alive for a few more years.

 

The fact that lockdowns drive infection down, and when restrictions are released we end up back where we started in a few months time, is exactly the evidence we need to show that lockdowns do what they are intended to do - manage the peak of each successive wave. 

 

No one is saying this is the long term way of life now. It's quite clear the long term strategy is a decent enough vaccine.

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On 25/10/2020 at 03:19, Leicester_Loyal said:

Mental when you think about it really, I thought the original lockdown was going to be a few weeks and then we'd be back to normal. I don't think we'll ever go back to normal now, we'll always be using masks, more hand washing etc. Some of the changes will definitely be better for us in the long run though.

Do think anything that promotes a general improvement in hygiene is welcome. Can't fathom how people don't wash their hands after going to the toilet. No issue with hand sanitiser either.

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Finally Melbourne is opening up after about 4 months I believe in lockdown. Mistakes were made to trigger the outbreak due to the hotel quarantine balls up, and by not clamping down earlier to snuff it out quickly, but I greatly admire premier Dan Andrews’ staying power in managing this through to an excellent conclusion.

 

He has fronted up every day to the press, answering all the questions, and suffered political sniping from our shitbag Prime Minister & his cronies, and Murdoch media. Fortunately for Victoria he’s had the strength to resist the bullying and not reopen prematurely, risking the same fate as the UK and others. I have no doubt that had he done so infection would inevitably have spread to the rest of Australia and would have torpedoed the economy.

 

Hopefully reopening will now not see an increase in infections, and the Australian economy can get back to something like normal.

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3 hours ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Finally Melbourne is opening up after about 4 months I believe in lockdown. Mistakes were made to trigger the outbreak due to the hotel quarantine balls up, and by not clamping down earlier to snuff it out quickly, but I greatly admire premier Dan Andrews’ staying power in managing this through to an excellent conclusion.

 

He has fronted up every day to the press, answering all the questions, and suffered political sniping from our shitbag Prime Minister & his cronies, and Murdoch media. Fortunately for Victoria he’s had the strength to resist the bullying and not reopen prematurely, risking the same fate as the UK and others. I have no doubt that had he done so infection would inevitably have spread to the rest of Australia and would have torpedoed the economy.

 

Hopefully reopening will now not see an increase in infections, and the Australian economy can get back to something like normal.

Daniel Andrews is an absolute bloody legend! The way he has handled this outbreak on the back of the bushfires!

I don’t think I’ve ever had more admiration for a political leader in my life. It’s been a long 4 months lockdown and not always been easy, but we’re in a great place now.

The fact he did all of this whilst sticking two fingers up at Scott Morrison and the Murdoch press who treated him like absolute crap, makes it all the sweeter!

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2 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

Daniel Andrews is an absolute bloody legend! The way he has handled this outbreak on the back of the bushfires!

I don’t think I’ve ever had more admiration for a political leader in my life. It’s been a long 4 months lockdown and not always been easy, but we’re in a great place now.

The fact he did all of this whilst sticking two fingers up at Scott Morrison and the Murdoch press who treated him like absolute crap, makes it all the sweeter!

I’ve really come to loath Morrison and Frydenburg over the last few months. Their constant political jibes from the sidelines at any Labor premier are quite sickening, and dangerously undermine all the efforts to contain the virus. I’ll never vote Liberal while this lot are in charge.

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On 25/10/2020 at 03:19, Leicester_Loyal said:

Mental when you think about it really, I thought the original lockdown was going to be a few weeks and then we'd be back to normal. I don't think we'll ever go back to normal now, we'll always be using masks, more hand washing etc. Some of the changes will definitely be better for us in the long run though.

Said earlier in the year that maybe this would help the obesity crisis in this country, when the stats showed I think roughly 75% of people that went onto a ventilator were at least in the "overweight" category. Doubt it will though, if anything so far it's shown accountability in this country is basically non-existent and people will just jump at the chance to place the blame at someone else's door. 

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9 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Said earlier in the year that maybe this would help the obesity crisis in this country, when the stats showed I think roughly 75% of people that went onto a ventilator were at least in the "overweight" category. Doubt it will though, if anything so far it's shown accountability in this country is basically non-existent and people will just jump at the chance to place the blame at someone else's door. 

Looking at how quickly our death rate increased with cases makes you wonder what it is about the British and this disease .... I guess obesity could well be one of the answers ....

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1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

Looking at how quickly our death rate increased with cases makes you wonder what it is about the British and this disease .... I guess obesity could well be one of the answers ....

It's definitely one of the answers.

 

We're a fat nation. 60% of covid deaths have been people classed as obese. 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

It's definitely one of the answers.

 

We're a fat nation. 60% of covid deaths have been people classed as obese. 

 

 

A fat and ageing population has really been highlighted 

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Numbers drifting up again in areas that had a small peak ....I’m expecting Herts to go into tier two within the next seven days which will stop the recent  influx of mixed group Londoners at weekends to go out for lunch or to the pub.  Likely that few areas will avoid tier two by mid November.
 

noticed that a check on hospital admissions in Newcastle showed a similar percentage of those admitted this cycle required ICU care to the last time.  That’s not great to read. Also that an antibody study at imperial shows them dropping off as would be expected with any coronavirus exposure.  So some level of re infection more likely but way more studies needed - level of exposure and age are important re antibody drop off.  I’ve not been able to donate plasma since late August but my centre has now resumed this so I’m having another go next Tuesday. This will be 7 months since I had it so I will be surprised if I still retain enough antibodies to be of use. 

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36 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Numbers drifting up again in areas that had a small peak ....I’m expecting Herts to go into tier two within the next seven days which will stop the recent  influx of mixed group Londoners at weekends to go out for lunch or to the pub.  Likely that few areas will avoid tier two by mid November.
 

noticed that a check on hospital admissions in Newcastle showed a similar percentage of those admitted this cycle required ICU care to the last time.  That’s not great to read. Also that an antibody study at imperial shows them dropping off as would be expected with any coronavirus exposure.  So some level of re infection more likely but way more studies needed - level of exposure and age are important re antibody drop off.  I’ve not been able to donate plasma since late August but my centre has now resumed this so I’m having another go next Tuesday. This will be 7 months since I had it so I will be surprised if I still retain enough antibodies to be of use. 


Equally though the vaccine trials appear to having a decent success rate of retaining anti bodies regardless of age. 
 

There’s also a decent article on BBC noting the considerable changes in how ICUs are doing better in their treatment. 
 

Has to be a collective effort in trying to ensure no more huge leaps of cases leading to hospitalisations.
 

After my negative test last week, I’ve tried to stop so many journeys outside of work 

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23 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

Covid 19 mate?
 

Completed it!

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Some of the 'self-proclaimed' experts on here should visit the State and tell the governors, biosecurity specialists, virologists, immunologists and epidemiologists that "lockdown doesn't work". Don't forget to also let them know that you are a member of a provincial UK internet football forum and that the University of You Tube sent you. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-54654646

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1 hour ago, Line-X said:

Some of the 'self-proclaimed' experts on here should visit the State and tell the governors, biosecurity specialists, virologists, immunologists and epidemiologists that "lockdown doesn't work". Don't forget to also let them know that you are a member of a provincial UK internet football forum and that the University of You Tube sent you. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-54654646

Again I don’t think anybody on here doubts that a lockdown will bring figures down. When people question the effectiveness of lockdowns it’s more to do with what happens after you’ve got the figures down. It’s not like the virus will not be lurking elsewhere waiting to re appear again and when it does what will Dan do.  Lock the whole state down again and re start the lockdown cycle. Unless a working vaccine appears the stop start lockdown route can not be awarded the best way to deal with a virus award, as its success short term doesn’t mean it’s the the best route long term. 

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