Coronavirus Thread

[Buce]

[Aus Fox]

Covid 19 mate?
 

Completed it!

[Aus Fox]

3 hours ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Finally Melbourne is opening up after about 4 months I believe in lockdown. Mistakes were made to trigger the outbreak due to the hotel quarantine balls up, and by not clamping down earlier to snuff it out quickly, but I greatly admire premier Dan Andrews’ staying power in managing this through to an excellent conclusion.

 

He has fronted up every day to the press, answering all the questions, and suffered political sniping from our shitbag Prime Minister & his cronies, and Murdoch media. Fortunately for Victoria he’s had the strength to resist the bullying and not reopen prematurely, risking the same fate as the UK and others. I have no doubt that had he done so infection would inevitably have spread to the rest of Australia and would have torpedoed the economy.

 

Hopefully reopening will now not see an increase in infections, and the Australian economy can get back to something like normal.

Daniel Andrews is an absolute bloody legend! The way he has handled this outbreak on the back of the bushfires!

I don’t think I’ve ever had more admiration for a political leader in my life. It’s been a long 4 months lockdown and not always been easy, but we’re in a great place now.

The fact he did all of this whilst sticking two fingers up at Scott Morrison and the Murdoch press who treated him like absolute crap, makes it all the sweeter!

Edited 26 October 2020 by Aus Fox

[WigstonWanderer]

2 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

Daniel Andrews is an absolute bloody legend! The way he has handled this outbreak on the back of the bushfires!

I don’t think I’ve ever had more admiration for a political leader in my life. It’s been a long 4 months lockdown and not always been easy, but we’re in a great place now.

The fact he did all of this whilst sticking two fingers up at Scott Morrison and the Murdoch press who treated him like absolute crap, makes it all the sweeter!

I’ve really come to loath Morrison and Frydenburg over the last few months. Their constant political jibes from the sidelines at any Labor premier are quite sickening, and dangerously undermine all the efforts to contain the virus. I’ll never vote Liberal while this lot are in charge.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

On 25/10/2020 at 03:19, Leicester_Loyal said:

Mental when you think about it really, I thought the original lockdown was going to be a few weeks and then we'd be back to normal. I don't think we'll ever go back to normal now, we'll always be using masks, more hand washing etc. Some of the changes will definitely be better for us in the long run though.

Said earlier in the year that maybe this would help the obesity crisis in this country, when the stats showed I think roughly 75% of people that went onto a ventilator were at least in the "overweight" category. Doubt it will though, if anything so far it's shown accountability in this country is basically non-existent and people will just jump at the chance to place the blame at someone else's door. 

[st albans fox]

9 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Said earlier in the year that maybe this would help the obesity crisis in this country, when the stats showed I think roughly 75% of people that went onto a ventilator were at least in the "overweight" category. Doubt it will though, if anything so far it's shown accountability in this country is basically non-existent and people will just jump at the chance to place the blame at someone else's door. 

Looking at how quickly our death rate increased with cases makes you wonder what it is about the British and this disease .... I guess obesity could well be one of the answers ....

[Stevosevic]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

Looking at how quickly our death rate increased with cases makes you wonder what it is about the British and this disease .... I guess obesity could well be one of the answers ....

It's definitely one of the answers.

 

We're a fat nation. 60% of covid deaths have been people classed as obese. 

 

 

[UniFox21]

13 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

It's definitely one of the answers.

 

We're a fat nation. 60% of covid deaths have been people classed as obese. 

 

 

A fat and ageing population has really been highlighted 

[Costock_Fox]

16 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

Covid 19 mate?
 

Completed it!

Just in time for the release of Covid 20.

[st albans fox]

Numbers drifting up again in areas that had a small peak ....I’m expecting Herts to go into tier two within the next seven days which will stop the recent  influx of mixed group Londoners at weekends to go out for lunch or to the pub.  Likely that few areas will avoid tier two by mid November.
 

noticed that a check on hospital admissions in Newcastle showed a similar percentage of those admitted this cycle required ICU care to the last time.  That’s not great to read. Also that an antibody study at imperial shows them dropping off as would be expected with any coronavirus exposure.  So some level of re infection more likely but way more studies needed - level of exposure and age are important re antibody drop off.  I’ve not been able to donate plasma since late August but my centre has now resumed this so I’m having another go next Tuesday. This will be 7 months since I had it so I will be surprised if I still retain enough antibodies to be of use. 

[CosbehFox]

36 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Numbers drifting up again in areas that had a small peak ....I’m expecting Herts to go into tier two within the next seven days which will stop the recent  influx of mixed group Londoners at weekends to go out for lunch or to the pub.  Likely that few areas will avoid tier two by mid November.
 

noticed that a check on hospital admissions in Newcastle showed a similar percentage of those admitted this cycle required ICU care to the last time.  That’s not great to read. Also that an antibody study at imperial shows them dropping off as would be expected with any coronavirus exposure.  So some level of re infection more likely but way more studies needed - level of exposure and age are important re antibody drop off.  I’ve not been able to donate plasma since late August but my centre has now resumed this so I’m having another go next Tuesday. This will be 7 months since I had it so I will be surprised if I still retain enough antibodies to be of use. 

Equally though the vaccine trials appear to having a decent success rate of retaining anti bodies regardless of age. 
 

There’s also a decent article on BBC noting the considerable changes in how ICUs are doing better in their treatment. 
 

Has to be a collective effort in trying to ensure no more huge leaps of cases leading to hospitalisations.
 

After my negative test last week, I’ve tried to stop so many journeys outside of work 

[z-layrex]

Well, my icu has filled up dramatically with covid during my 10 days off.

[SpacedX]

23 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

Covid 19 mate?
 

Completed it!

Some of the 'self-proclaimed' experts on here should visit the State and tell the governors, biosecurity specialists, virologists, immunologists and epidemiologists that "lockdown doesn't work". Don't forget to also let them know that you are a member of a provincial UK internet football forum and that the University of You Tube sent you. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-54654646

Edited 27 October 2020 by Line-X

[Nalis]

Well this is fvcking depressing...

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54696873

[MonmoreStef]

1 hour ago, Line-X said:

Some of the 'self-proclaimed' experts on here should visit the State and tell the governors, biosecurity specialists, virologists, immunologists and epidemiologists that "lockdown doesn't work". Don't forget to also let them know that you are a member of a provincial UK internet football forum and that the University of You Tube sent you. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-54654646

Again I don’t think anybody on here doubts that a lockdown will bring figures down. When people question the effectiveness of lockdowns it’s more to do with what happens after you’ve got the figures down. It’s not like the virus will not be lurking elsewhere waiting to re appear again and when it does what will Dan do.  Lock the whole state down again and re start the lockdown cycle. Unless a working vaccine appears the stop start lockdown route can not be awarded the best way to deal with a virus award, as its success short term doesn’t mean it’s the the best route long term. 

[rachhere]

6 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Well this is fvcking depressing...

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54696873

Yeah, not great. However, I do think we had a good idea that this was the case already, and it will have been factored into the vaccination strategy. 

[January47]

21 minutes ago, rachhere said:

Yeah, not great. However, I do think we had a good idea that this was the case already, and it will have been factored into the vaccination strategy. 

Is there anybody on here who really understands this because I thought is what normally happens. The antibodies drop off over time but the body would have built the 'infrastructure' to rapidly produce new antibodies in the event of a re-infection so more easily fights it off.

[dsr-burnley]

16 minutes ago, rachhere said:

Yeah, not great. However, I do think we had a good idea that this was the case already, and it will have been factored into the vaccination strategy. 

Is this new?  I was told as a child that when you catch a disease such a measles your body produces antibodies to fight it, and then if the virus attacks you again the body remembers how they were produced and is bang on ready to produce some more so you don't even notice it's attacked you again.  Have things changed?

 

Anyway, we know that the immunity lasts 6 months Up to the end of April there were 130,000 confirmed cases who survived, which is 1 in 500 of the population.  If the immunity lasts only 6 months we would expect 1 in 500 of the current positive tests to be of people who had tested positive before - that's (based on 20,000 per day) a total of 40 a day, on average, who have tested positive early doors now testing positive again.  That isn't happening - if two or three hundred people in the last week had caught coronavirus for the second time, we would certainly hear about it.  So I will guarantee that immunity lasts more than 6 months in virtually all cases.

 

How much more than 6 months?  Remains to be seen.

[dsr-burnley]

25 minutes ago, MonmoreStef said:

Again I don’t think anybody on here doubts that a lockdown will bring figures down. When people question the effectiveness of lockdowns it’s more to do with what happens after you’ve got the figures down. It’s not like the virus will not be lurking elsewhere waiting to re appear again and when it does what will Dan do.  Lock the whole state down again and re start the lockdown cycle. Unless a working vaccine appears the stop start lockdown route can not be awarded the best way to deal with a virus award, as its success short term doesn’t mean it’s the the best route long term. 

If we none of us leave our houses for long enough, we will all die of something else.  In the absence of further information, I believe that is the government's plan B.

[Nalis]

29 minutes ago, rachhere said:

Yeah, not great. However, I do think we had a good idea that this was the case already, and it will have been factored into the vaccination strategy. 

Fair point, the vaccine news is positive at least so thats something.

[WigstonWanderer]

46 minutes ago, MonmoreStef said:

Again I don’t think anybody on here doubts that a lockdown will bring figures down. When people question the effectiveness of lockdowns it’s more to do with what happens after you’ve got the figures down. It’s not like the virus will not be lurking elsewhere waiting to re appear again and when it does what will Dan do.  Lock the whole state down again and re start the lockdown cycle. Unless a working vaccine appears the stop start lockdown route can not be awarded the best way to deal with a virus award, as its success short term doesn’t mean it’s the the best route long term. 

Not saying this is possible everywhere, but in Victoria’s (and more widely Australia’s) case the objective is to drive infections down to a low enough level that an efficient test, trace and isolate system can quickly snuff out clusters as they appear. This has worked in practice everywhere else in Australia since May. In fact, all states bar Queensland, NSW and Victoria appear to have actually eliminated the virus. NSW and Queensland have managed to quickly deal with clusters as they have arisen and the hope is that Victoria can now do the same.

 

There are no guarantees for the future of course, but considerable experience seems to have accrued in dealing with outbreaks. Trade with the rest of the world and between states has continued throughout, so apart from from the tourist trade the economy should be able to get back to something like normal. Certainly here in WA it feels like everything is booming.

Edited 27 October 2020 by WigstonWanderer

[MonmoreStef]

3 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Not saying this is possible everywhere, but in Victoria’s (and more widely Australia’s) case the objective is to drive infections down to a low enough level that an efficient test, trace and isolate system can quickly snuff out clusters as they appear. This has worked in practice everywhere else in Australia since May. In fact, all states bar Queensland, NSW and Victoria appear to have actually eliminated the virus. NSW and Queensland have managed to quickly deal with clusters as they have arisen and the hope is that Victoria can now do the same.

 

There are no guarantees for the future of course, but considerable experience seems to have accrued in dealing with outbreaks. Trade with the rest of the world and between states has continued throughout, so apart from from the tourist trade the economy should be able to get back to something like normal. Certainly here in WA it feels like everything is booming.

Australia well placed to fight a virus.  The weather is a huge plus as easy to do things outside. When I was there everyone eats outside most of the year. Also a very fit nation compared to many other first world countries. I loved watching Cannington and Mandurah dogs in our summer sat in the garden.  Shame, unlike you, I can only do that for about two months of the year!  As long as people show common sense over there I don’t see you having the problems we’ve had with virus spreading. 

[Leicester_Loyal]

We're about to enter winter so I'd imagine numbers will keep rising now for a while? We'll probably end up with everywhere being in Tier 2 in a few weeks.

[Danno]

Living in Spain and they’ve given us a 10pm-6pm curfew already, and want to make a complete lockdown at the weekends. Fvcking hell man it’s getting absolutely ridiculous now, it would be fine if they didn’t force everyone back to pissing school. 

[January47]

45 minutes ago, MonmoreStef said:

Australia well placed to fight a virus.  The weather is a huge plus as easy to do things outside. When I was there everyone eats outside most of the year. Also a very fit nation compared to many other first world countries. I loved watching Cannington and Mandurah dogs in our summer sat in the garden.  Shame, unlike you, I can only do that for about two months of the year!  As long as people show common sense over there I don’t see you having the problems we’ve had with virus spreading. 

thats what you'd think but...

 

Australia ranked ninth of of 23 OECD nations on obesity, with 63% of the population over the age of 15 considered either overweight or obese. The OECD average was 58%.

 

For men, Australians had the third highest rate of being overweight or obese, behind the United States and Chile.