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davieG

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On 16/06/2020 at 13:12, Stivo said:

This seems very good news, a cheap treatment that saves many lives (1/3 of people who die on ventilators will be saved by it)

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53061281

 

“The results were reported yesterday and we are already giving patients this treatment today. It is that big.”

The steroid, normally used to treat asthma, chronic lung conditions and joint problems, can be given as a tablet or injection. It is affordable and readily available not only in this country but all over the world.

Leicester was name-checked by Prime Minister Boris Johnson in yesterday’s daily briefing due to it recruiting more patients to a national clinical trial than any other area.

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Sampson

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All these breakouts in China, Germany, NZ and Portugal are all very very small and very very localised ones though where the local area has been quarenteened. None are anything like a 2nd wave yet.

 

We're bound the see these now and again. We've already seen them in Japan and South Korea too but if you quarenteen the area and quickly stamp it out it really shouldn't be too big a problem and shouldn't devolve into a 2nd wave and needing another national lockdown.

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st albans fox

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4 hours ago, Sampson said:

All these breakouts in China, Germany, NZ and Portugal are all very very small and very very localised ones though where the local area has been quarenteened. None are anything like a 2nd wave yet.

 

We're bound the see these now and again. We've already seen them in Japan and South Korea too but if you quarenteen the area and quickly stamp it out it really shouldn't be too big a problem and shouldn't devolve into a 2nd wave and needing another national lockdown.

Do you have any confidence that we will manage to stamp our any new outbreaks - never mind actually test cleverly enough to find them ! 

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Sampson

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12 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Do you have any confidence that we will manage to stamp our any new outbreaks - never mind actually test cleverly enough to find them ! 

Definitely not as much as Germany or NZ! But I think in a  couple of months our cases will be so low it won't be too difficult to do.

 

Iran is the bigger worry. They're the only country who've really had a proper 2nd wave so far.

 

Far too early to start worrying for these NZ, Germany or China cases.

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yorkie1999

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5 hours ago, foxile5 said:

More worrying is the fact that Britons are being allowed to travel. 

 

Whilst our deaths remain positive the virus runs rampant still. We shouldn't be leaving our island for the sake of others at the minute. 

And we shouldn’t be letting anyone in either, a point I made at the start of all this but got dissed for because of the conamy 

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yorkie1999

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3 hours ago, Sampson said:

Our rolling 7 day average deaths is now under 150 a day. Hopefully under 100 a day by the end of the month by how well it's dropping atm.

That’s still 1500 people every ten days dying from it, or 54000 a year. That’s a lot of deaths

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48 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

That’s still 1500 people every ten days dying from it, or 54000 a year. That’s a lot of deaths

Eh. Really not sure what you're getting at here? Everyone knows a lot of people have died from covid. I was celebrating how quickly it is declining and howthe trend downward seems to be quickening up which is great news. It isn't a steady rate over 52 weeks, deaths naturally fall and spike throughout the year.  At the end of May it was over 300 as that was only 2 and a half weeks ago. It's not 1500 deaths every 10 days, because in 10 days time we could already be averaging less than 100 deaths a day with the rate at which it's falling right now.

 

Contagious illness deaths spikes go above 150 deaths a day during typical winter season but die down. No one is saying you should be happy to sustain that but 150 deaths a day is pretty manageable in the health care systems and seems to be declining at a quicker rate now. The projections of seeing daily deaths to be countable on one hand by the end of July look like they're on target.

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1 hour ago, Sampson said:

Definitely not as much as Germany or NZ! But I think in a  couple of months our cases will be so low it won't be too difficult to do.

 

Iran is the bigger worry. They're the only country who've really had a proper 2nd wave so far.

 

Far too early to start worrying for these NZ, Germany or China cases.

The fact these 'outbreaks' are being picked up in itself is a positive sign. It shows the systems are adequate to carry on as normal.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53009775

 

In the first two weeks of operation to 10 June, the service was given the details of 14,000 people to follow up.

 

But fewer than 10,200 could be reached. Some failed to provide the right contact details, while others did not return calls.

 

Standard. 27% of people being either incompetent or not giving a shit is actually less than I expected. :rolleyes:

 

 

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davieG

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UK virus-tracing app switches to Google-Apple model

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53095336

 

In a major U-turn, the UK is ditching the way its current coronavirus-tracing app works and shifting to a model based on technology provided by Apple and Google.

The move comes the day after the BBC revealed that a former Apple executive, Simon Thompson, was taking charge of the late-running project.

The Apple-Google design has been promoted as being more privacy-focused.

However, it means epidemiologists will have access to less data.

And questions remain about whether any smartphone-based system reliant on Bluetooth signals will be accurate enough to be useful.

The UK follows Germany, Italy and Denmark among others in switching from a so-called "centralised" approach to a "decentralised" one.

The government is expected to confirm the news within the hour.

Despite the change, the interface presented to users will remain the same.

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davieG

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1 minute ago, martyn said:

How many total and utter coronavirus cock ups are this government going to be associated with.

 

Be interesting to see how much money was wasted pursuing the centralised solution.

Seems like it was common misjudgement not just the UK

 

The UK follows Germany, Italy and Denmark among others in switching from a so-called "centralised" approach to a "decentralised" one.

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18 minutes ago, davieG said:

Seems like it was common misjudgement not just the UK

 

The UK follows Germany, Italy and Denmark among others in switching from a so-called "centralised" approach to a "decentralised" one.

Whilst that may very well be true, as far as I'm aware, Germany and Italy now have apps up and running, whilst France have managed to release their app built around a centralised framework.

 

When's ours coming? 

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1 hour ago, davieG said:

UK virus-tracing app switches to Google-Apple model

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53095336

 

In a major U-turn, the UK is ditching the way its current coronavirus-tracing app works and shifting to a model based on technology provided by Apple and Google.

The move comes the day after the BBC revealed that a former Apple executive, Simon Thompson, was taking charge of the late-running project.

The Apple-Google design has been promoted as being more privacy-focused.

However, it means epidemiologists will have access to less data.

And questions remain about whether any smartphone-based system reliant on Bluetooth signals will be accurate enough to be useful.

The UK follows Germany, Italy and Denmark among others in switching from a so-called "centralised" approach to a "decentralised" one.

The government is expected to confirm the news within the hour.

Despite the change, the interface presented to users will remain the same.

That was never going to happen was it! Still, bet someones made a shed load out of it.

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18 hours ago, Sampson said:

Eh. Really not sure what you're getting at here? Everyone knows a lot of people have died from covid. I was celebrating how quickly it is declining and howthe trend downward seems to be quickening up which is great news. It isn't a steady rate over 52 weeks, deaths naturally fall and spike throughout the year.  At the end of May it was over 300 as that was only 2 and a half weeks ago. It's not 1500 deaths every 10 days, because in 10 days time we could already be averaging less than 100 deaths a day with the rate at which it's falling right now.

 

Contagious illness deaths spikes go above 150 deaths a day during typical winter season but die down. No one is saying you should be happy to sustain that but 150 deaths a day is pretty manageable in the health care systems and seems to be declining at a quicker rate now. The projections of seeing daily deaths to be countable on one hand by the end of July look like they're on target.

Down to 135 deaths just 24 hours later.

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yorkie1999

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51 minutes ago, martyn said:

How many total and utter coronavirus cock ups are this government going to be associated with.

 

Be interesting to see how much money was wasted pursuing the centralised solution.

About as much as that has been wasted on most public sector systems, including systems used by the nhs

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