Coronavirus Thread

[Dahnsouff]

Sorry @st albans fox, but are you saying that politicians should have made medical decisions with only anecdotal evidence? Rather than trust a study, a study that would unfortunately take time, that is unfortunately true. 

[st albans fox]

7 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Sorry @st albans fox, but are you saying that politicians should have made medical decisions with only anecdotal evidence? Rather than trust a study, a study that would unfortunately take time, that is unfortunately true. 

I’m saying that scientists are generally slow to make decisions as they naturally require evidence (often peer reviewed).  It’s not a medical decision to require that this symptom should mean frontline nhs staff get a test before returning to work.  At the time, tests were in short supply outside of the hospital setting but surely it made sense to be as cautious as possible in this regard. There was plenty of evidence from medical sources overseas that this symptom was widespread.  
 

I had evidence enough from my own household- sorry but it’s inexcusable.  the experience of nurse max simply highlights how people will have died because of it. 

[WigstonWanderer]

Looks like there’s a bit of an issue with Covid 19 clusters over in Victoria (Australia). They’re having to reimpose some restrictions previously lifted to get back on top of it. Nothing too bad in terms of numbers at the moment, but obviously some circulation in the community over there.

 

Really glad that Mark McGowan (WA State Premier) stood firm and refused to be bullied into opening the Western Australian borders. We’re now lifting more restrictions and expect to reopen the new Optus Stadium to AFL at 50% capacity in July.

 

Things almost feel back to normal here ATM. Hopefully this will continue.

Edited 23 June 2020 by WigstonWanderer

[Guest Fktf]

12 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

We haven't really seen any second waves in other countries that have opened up though, not saying you're wrong, but at the minute everything seems to be going ok, although this could be due to a number of factors like the weather etc.

 

It wasn't just the flu in April though, when we were all told to stay indoors etc. We should have been quarantining people flying into the country from then.

This will probably control the timing of any second wave. We're releasing social distancing/lockdown measures and not seeing much impact on the R-value, but most of the activities we've been allowed to do so far have generally involved meeting people outdoors - which people are quite happy to do in the sunshine. The virus doesn't seem able to transmit outdoors, so at the moment it appears like it is safe to ease lockdown measures. The question is what happens the other side of summer, when the weather gets colder, and people start spending prolonged periods of time indoors with each other.    

[oxford blue]

Not for the first time in Germany, a large outbreak in a meat factory - a500 positive:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53149762

 

And in anglesey, the Welsh government are considering a localised strict lockdown because of 160 positive cases at another meat packing factory.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53131765

 

It is evident stricter measures need to be in force at these factories; a real risk of them continuing to generate localised outbreaks which could start to spread

[fox_up_north]

Not to be negative but I can't help but feel all these easing measures will have to be rolled back from about September when we start seeing spikes.

 

I've got friends who are itching to get back to gigs and pubs. I still feel that's a risk but I also don't want to go back to them if it means you have to have weird spaces between everyone. It'll ruin the atmosphere and just won't work for me. 

 

I'd rather wait for the full fat version rather than some diet one.

[Nalis]

2 minutes ago, fox_up_north said:

Not to be negative but I can't help but feel all these easing measures will have to be rolled back from about September when we start seeing spikes.

 

I've got friends who are itching to get back to gigs and pubs. I still feel that's a risk but I also don't want to go back to them if it means you have to have weird spaces between everyone. It'll ruin the atmosphere and just won't work for me. 

 

I'd rather wait for the full fat version rather than some diet one.

They still need to make money between now and then now even if they do have to reapply restrictions. Also impossible to predict how September will look either way.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

7 minutes ago, fox_up_north said:

Not to be negative but I can't help but feel all these easing measures will have to be rolled back from about September when we start seeing spikes.

 

I've got friends who are itching to get back to gigs and pubs. I still feel that's a risk but I also don't want to go back to them if it means you have to have weird spaces between everyone. It'll ruin the atmosphere and just won't work for me. 

 

I'd rather wait for the full fat version rather than some diet one.

 

I can see the point here but my personal feeling is that I want to help my favourite locals in whatever way possible - them dying completely would be worse than the distanced version. I do worry for the smaller (in area size) boozers here though. How could you realistically practice distancing at somewhere like the Two-Tailed Lion (for example) while turning a profit?

[filbertway]

I hope they're actually developing ways that events can go ahead. We need testing at a level where results are almost immediate. That way, events can go ahead with everybody required to take a test on entry

 

The virus didn't exist here and then spread like wildfire. It will happen again and again and we cant keep shutting the country down. We need to be developing ways to live with Covid-19 till a natural herd immunity is built.

 

If Venues arent open and making money by the end of the year I dont see how they will be able to survive. Unless they get government grants, loans aren't gonna help as its just increasing their debt.

 

[davieG]

Coronavirus lockdown: All you need to know about new measures
43 minutes ago

The prime minister has announced a series of measures to take effect from 4 July, easing the lockdown in England.

 

Distancing guidelines
From 4 July the 2m distancing rule will be changed.

The prime minister said that where it is not possible to stay 2m apart, people should keep a distance of "one metre plus" - this means staying one metre apart, while observing precautions to reduce the risk of transmission.

 

 

Hospitality
Restaurants and pubs will also be allowed to reopen, providing they follow safety guidelines.

All hospitality indoors will be limited to table service, and contact between staff and customers will be limited.

Customers will also have to give contact details when they enter a pub or restaurant.

Holiday accommodation - including hotels, B&Bs, cottages, campsites and caravan parks - can also reopen, and people in England will be free to stay away from home overnight for the first time since lockdown began in March.

When will pubs, bars, cafes and restaurants reopen?

 

Meeting other households
Two households of any size will be able to meet indoors or outside. It will be possible to stay overnight.

This does not have to be the same set of households - the prime minister said. "It will be possible for instance to meet one set of grandparents one weekend, and the others the following weekend."

However, the government does not not recommend meetings of multiple households indoors because of the risk of infection.

Outdoors, people from multiple households can meet in groups of up to six - but two households can meet regardless of size.

 

What else will reopen?
More outdoor spaces will open if they can do so safely, including outdoor gyms and children's playgrounds
Hairdressers will be able to reopen, as long as they take precautions. Other close-contact services such as nail bars will not yet open, but the prime minister said they would be able to open "as soon as we're confident they can operate safely"

Art galleries will be able to reopen on 4 July
Libraries, community centres, bingo halls, cinemas, museums and galleries will be able to open, along with funfairs and theme parks, amusement arcades, outdoor skating rinks, indoor leisure centres, social clubs and model villages
Places of worship will be able to open for prayers and services, including weddings with up to 30 guests - subject to social distancing
What will remain closed?
Nightclubs and casinos remain closed, along with bowling alleys, spas, swimming pools and indoor soft play centres
Theatres and concert halls will not be able to host live performances - but the prime minister said the government would work with the arts industry on specific guidance to enable choirs, orchestras and theatres to resume live events as soon as possible

[FoxesDeb]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53065340

 

It's been mentioned before, and this is quite worrying 

Edited 23 June 2020 by FoxesDeb

[Guest Fktf]

23 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53065340

 

It's been mentioned before, and this is quite worrying 

I never knew that the lung scaring it causes has the potential to be a progressive illness. Really horrible to think that people can survive via ICU treatment, and then be stuck with a lasting complication at the end of it all.

[Jon the Hat]

Woohoo campsites to open - fingers crossed the site we have 18 nights booked in during August will be happy with the required cleaning regimes and open asap!

[FoxesDeb]

Just now, Jon the Hat said:

Woohoo campsites to open - fingers crossed the site we have 18 nights booked in during August will be happy with the required cleaning regimes and open asap!

We've just booked to go on 4th July, and now we're both working from home we can potentially stay away all summer. The children getting bored or the weather being horrible, one of those will be the thing that brings us home! 

Fingers crossed for you 😊 

[fuchsntf]

6 hours ago, Fktf said:

I never knew that the lung scaring it causes has the potential to be a progressive illness. Really horrible to think that people can survive via ICU treatment, and then be stuck with a lasting complication at the end of it all.

Its not,or shouldnt be suprising...Think of any Previous Lung- Illness or viruses,they have often after effects...Some mild but follows the ex-patient through their

Lives. or with more complications where ex-patients are screened and seriously controlled regularly,

Some succombing   to that illnesses After Effect or because of it...

 

I belong to that unfortunate group,a no questions asked life of strong Lungs,then later a bronchial infection,that hung around..

.Then again even  later, ...Cancer ( Never smoked)

Anything from cancer,influenza,Pneumonia, Lung aflictions.etc,etc always leaves many questions open..Many can carry on normal for years,without thinking about it, until they start to go to the hospital/clinic for the simpliest of check-ups..

 

Edited 23 June 2020 by fuchsntf

[Guest Fktf]

13 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

Its not,or shouldnt be suprising...Think of any Previous Lung- Illness or viruses,they have often after effects...Some mild but follows the ex-patient through their

Lives. or with more complications where ex-patients are screened and seriously controlled regularly,

Some succombing   to that illnesses After Effect or because of it...

 

I belong to that unfortunate group,a no questions asked life of strong Lungs,then later a bronchial infection,that hung around..

.Then again even  later, ...Cancer ( Never smoked)

Anything from cancer,influenza,Pneumonia, Lung aflictions.etc,etc always leaves many questions open..Many can carry on normal for years,without thinking about it, until they start to go to the hospital/clinic for the simpliest of check-ups..

 

Lung infections are outside of my expertise, and I've never had a family member suffer from them, so I really don't know. 

 

I'm sorry to hear your struggles, but I do thank you for sharing it. I think serious medical issues like entering icu have become normalised in the past months. Hell, even high death tolls have become a bit too normalised recently (we've been having 8-10 Hillsboroughs each day for weeks at our peak). Personal stories can help break through the statistics so we can see the people on the other side of them. Puts things in perspective. 

[WigstonWanderer]

9 hours ago, FoxesDeb said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53065340

 

It's been mentioned before, and this is quite worrying 

Yes, it isn’t just a question of surviving the disease, it’s later quality of life.

[fuchsntf]

10 hours ago, Fktf said:

Lung infections are outside of my expertise, and I've never had a family member suffer from them, so I really don't know. 

 

I'm sorry to hear your struggles, but I do thank you for sharing it. I think serious medical issues like entering icu have become normalised in the past months. Hell, even high death tolls have become a bit too normalised recently (we've been having 8-10 Hillsboroughs each day for weeks at our peak). Personal stories can help break through the statistics so we can see the people on the other side of them. Puts things in perspective. 

Thx 

[UniFox21]

The uproar over pubs etc opening prior to things such gyms or swimming pools has got me thinking.

Surely a pub can be organised and managed to be safer than a gym or swimming pool? 

[Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo]

45 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

The uproar over pubs etc opening prior to things such gyms or swimming pools has got me thinking.

Surely a pub can be organised and managed to be safer than a gym or swimming pool? 

Definitely, I'd heard a while ago that pubs will only be able to open if they have dedicated staff to monitor distancing is being observed, don't know how true that is. Plus the surfaces you'd touch at a pub are much less than a gym, which would be very tricky to keep disinfected

 

As for pools, not sure how far chlorine (or the level it's diluted at in use) goes as far as an antiviral, and with changing rooms like gyms I would guess it'd be very tricky to make sure everything is sanitised and ensuring people aren't in contact with each other

 

I don't know how well it'll go with pubs, in theory if people stick by the rules the risk of infection shouldn't be too high. Until the idiots get really drunk and start trying to hug everyone in the joint

 

[BKLFox]

36 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

The uproar over pubs etc opening prior to things such gyms or swimming pools has got me thinking.

Surely a pub can be organised and managed to be safer than a gym or swimming pool? 

Until you add alcohol of course & everyone turns into a tube & forget what's going on 

I wonder how many idjuts are going to be giving false names & numbers when entering pubs to avoid potential future self isolation measures. 

For me whilst there is still a chance of getting away on holiday in August i'm going to reluctantly abstain from the pubs till September.

 

[Ollie93]

51 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

The uproar over pubs etc opening prior to things such gyms or swimming pools has got me thinking.

Surely a pub can be organised and managed to be safer than a gym or swimming pool? 

I think its a two way sword, as yes pubs probably can regulate it better and there would be a higher rate of respiration in gyms etc, however the clientele would probably adhere better in said gyms. 

[RowlattsFox]

I will be interested to see how the normally busy places handle the restrictions, especially somewhere like Blackpool. I would have placed some sort of curfew for time being, allowing pubs and bars to open during the day but not late nights, especially Friday and Saturday nights. I certainly won't be venturing into town centre bars but will definitely try and support the local pubs, if it isn't too much of a hassle. I will probably go on opening day for curiosity and investigative reasons, that's what i'll tell the mrs anyway.

 

 

[UniFox21]

6 minutes ago, Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo said:

Definitely, I'd heard a while ago that pubs will only be able to open if they have dedicated staff to monitor distancing is being observed, don't know how true that is. Plus the surfaces you'd touch at a pub are much less than a gym, which would be very tricky to keep disinfected

 

As for pools, not sure how far chlorine (or the level it's diluted at in use) goes as far as an antiviral, and with changing rooms like gyms I would guess it'd be very tricky to make sure everything is sanitised and ensuring people aren't in contact with each other

 

I don't know how well it'll go with pubs, in theory if people stick by the rules the risk of infection shouldn't be too high. Until the idiots get really drunk and start trying to hug everyone in the joint

 

Exactly, in pubs you likely touch the table, glass and door handles which can all be fairly well controlled and cleaned. Gyms you'd be strictly relying on people to disinfect after themselves, well according to the email from Places I received today. With cleaning done between sessions. 

 

I don't know enough on the chlorine strength to remove viruses and bacteria for pools, but they'd feel way too risky for me. Changing rooms are basically being banned, no showers and you're likely expected to attend in kit to reduce excess contacts. 

 

I'd be hopeful that pubs will be fairly well managed to keep safety measures in place, but we'll see how the worst of the drunkards fair after a few. 

 

4 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Until you add alcohol of course & everyone turns into a tube & forget what's going on 

I wonder how many idjuts are going to be giving false names & numbers when entering pubs to avoid potential future self isolation measures. 

For me whilst there is still a chance of getting away on holiday in August i'm going to reluctantly abstain from the pubs till September.

 

Regulars are surely going to be known though, especially in villages etc, the regulars are usually known to the staff. But you're right that there is a risk many will give fake names which wold be fairly poor from them. 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Ollie93 said:

I think its a two way sword, as yes pubs probably can regulate it better and there would be a higher rate of respiration in gyms etc, however the clientele would probably adhere better in said gyms. 

I'd say potentially, there are probably quite a few gym twats who'd break or ignore certain rulings to allow them to get their workout in as they want. But you're right that those in pubs could likely be worse, especially after a few pints. 

[rachhere]

I am seriously missing swimming right now....