Coronavirus Thread

[Buce]

35 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

I think you are being disingenuous there.  Why do you think that reasons 1,2 and 3 for not taking the vaccine are good reasons?  They don't seem to be good reasons to me.

 

There are two good reasons that I can see for not taking the vaccine.  One, you covered in your PS.  The other is that you don't trust it because it has not been tested long term.  I personally don't agree that the second is a valid enough reason - I might have 6 motnhs ago, but now I'll take anything - but I certainly wouldn't decry the right of anyone else to feel that way.  

 

I have a family hiostory.  My mother was told to take thalidomide for morning sickness when she was suffering badly when pregnant with my older brother.  She refused because she didn't trust it.

 

With respect, that's an emotive argument rather than a scientific one.

[Dahnsouff]

Do not think comparisons with more socialist models need feature in this discussion at all. This has nothing to do with Governmental directives, more to do with behaving for the good of society, assuming there are not extenuating circumstances. If you feel this is not for good of society, perhaps that’s another conversation 

 

@Paninistickers Don’t think I am having a go, I am not, I just enjoy a good discussion- never know, I might learn something!  

Edited 5 December 2020 by Dahnsouff

[dsr-burnley]

6 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

With respect, that's an emotive argument rather than a scientific one.

People are allowed to be emotive.  It may or may not be a bad idea to be emotive, but I would say it is also a bad idea for the government to be able to say "your idea is wrong because we have a scientist who says so, so we compel you to ... "

[Buce]

Just now, dsr-burnley said:

People are allowed to be emotive.  It may or may not be a bad idea to be emotive, but I would say it is also a bad idea for the government to be able to say "your idea is wrong because we have a scientist who says so, so we compel you to ... "

 

Nothing wrong with being emotive, everything wrong with basing important decisions on it.

[Paninistickers]

5 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Do not think comparisons with more socialist models need feature in this discussion at all. This has nothing to do with Governmental directives, more to do with behaving for the good of society, assuming there are not extenuating circumstances. If you feel this is not for good of society, perhaps that’s another conversation 

 

@Paninistickers Don’t think I am having a go, I am not, I just enjoy a good discussion- never know, I might learn something!  

It's a debate, dude. Healthy stuff. No offence taken. And yes, i too enjoy having  a viewpoint  challenged and learning something 

[CosbehFox]

2 hours ago, Buce said:

 

Nothing wrong with being emotive, everything wrong with basing important decisions on it.

Yep, never be a Jedi that way

[Ashley]

Come on then. Have we got any Foxestalkers who work at the council or family who do? 

 

Do we think we will be in tier 2 on the next review?

[Leicester_Loyal]

5 minutes ago, Ashley said:

Come on then. Have we got any Foxestalkers who work at the council or family who do? 

 

Do we think we will be in tier 2 on the next review?

They reckoned around 200 cases per 100k population was the main criteria (obviously other factors matter too though).

 

The latest seven-day infection rates, area by area, are:

• Leicester: 264.8 cases per 100,000

• Blaby: 200.9 cases per 100,000

• Charnwood:133.4 cases per 100,000

• Harborough: 123.7 cases per 100,000

• Hinckley and Bosworth: 96.3 cases per 100,000

• Melton: 178.1 cases per 100,000

• North West Leicestershire: 143.8 cases per 100,000

• Oadby and Wigston: 245.5 cases per 100,000

 

Depends if they split the areas up or keep them all together.

[Fightforever]

56 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

They reckoned around 200 cases per 100k population was the main criteria (obviously other factors matter too though).

 

The latest seven-day infection rates, area by area, are:

• Leicester: 264.8 cases per 100,000

• Blaby: 200.9 cases per 100,000

• Charnwood:133.4 cases per 100,000

• Harborough: 123.7 cases per 100,000

• Hinckley and Bosworth: 96.3 cases per 100,000

• Melton: 178.1 cases per 100,000

• North West Leicestershire: 143.8 cases per 100,000

• Oadby and Wigston: 245.5 cases per 100,000

 

Depends if they split the areas up or keep them all together.

Top of the league.

Up the city!

[dsr-burnley]

4 hours ago, Buce said:

 

Nothing wrong with being emotive, everything wrong with basing important decisions on it.

If you're suggesting that my mother's emotive decision not to take thalidomide was wrong, and the sensible logical decision to take would have been right, then I respectfully disagree.  As, I suspect, would my brother.

[st albans fox]

5 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

If you're reading the report that says the vaccine and/or catching the disease lasts only 90 days, stop worrying.  The scientists concerned have been counting the number of antibodies and deciding theoretically that only those people with lots of antibodies are immune.

 

If they had lifted their heads up from their theoretical desks and looked at what is actually happening in the real world,. they would have noticed that up to the end of June, about 170,000 people had tested positive for coronavirus and survived.  (Obviously many more had had it but weren't tested.)  That's about 1 in 400 of the population.

 

Since the beginning of October, which is more than 90 days after every single one of those people had been found positive, and therefore had given them time to lose their immunity - there have been over a million positive tests.  On the law of averages, that should mean that 2,500 of them would be people who had tested positive before June.  and how many have we had who have tested positive twice, three+ months apart?  So far as I know, nil.  If the theory says there should be 2,500 and the practice says there are nil, then the theory is wrong.

There was a Portsmouth footballer who was on loan from a Scottish club who has caught it twice 

 

I spoke to someone in Leicester who tested positive in October - he had covid symptoms with his family backin may but obvs wasn’t tested back then 

 

there are some but clearly there should be a lot ! 

 

and afaik, vaccines promote a strong immune response whereas exposure to the virus may not - hence immunity could be much longer - my last plasma reading came back with medium levels of antibodies 8 months after I had it .....

[yorkie1999]

1 hour ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

They reckoned around 200 cases per 100k population was the main criteria (obviously other factors matter too though).

 

The latest seven-day infection rates, area by area, are:

• Leicester: 264.8 cases per 100,000

• Blaby: 200.9 cases per 100,000

• Charnwood:133.4 cases per 100,000

• Harborough: 123.7 cases per 100,000

• Hinckley and Bosworth: 96.3 cases per 100,000

• Melton: 178.1 cases per 100,000

• North West Leicestershire: 143.8 cases per 100,000

• Oadby and Wigston: 245.5 cases per 100,000

 

Depends if they split the areas up or keep them all together.

Keeping them all together makes 172 per 100000

[CosbehFox]

Leicester and the county won’t go Tier 2 on the basis of that - they are pretty insistent now about bordering areas all being low to stop folk just going over the border. For example, even Hinckley is penned in by Nuneaton being the highest reported cases in Warwickshire, same with Lutterworth/Rugby. 
 

Where that is happening, for example Worcestershire and South Birmingham/Black Country, - they take a view from the population density along the border and/or the average to those particular areas. 

[Guest Fktf]

6 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

No no no..sorry but you are being simplistic and deciding tompigeon hole my comments as some kind of libertarian right wing nut job. 

 

There's room for individual rights and acting for society. It's about fairness.

Could you explain?

 

Edit, in relation to the virus and vaccine.

Edited 5 December 2020 by Fktf

[WigstonWanderer]

1 hour ago, dsr-burnley said:

If you're suggesting that my mother's emotive decision not to take thalidomide was wrong, and the sensible logical decision to take would have been right, then I respectfully disagree.  As, I suspect, would my brother.

I don’t think anyone is suggesting that.

 

I remember my mother telling me that her doctor (Dr Byers IIR) was a rather old fashioned type and would not prescribe Thalidomide, for which she was eternally grateful. Can’t remember if that was for me or one of my siblings.

[fuchsntf]

6 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

No no no..sorry but you are being simplistic and deciding tompigeon hole my comments as some kind of libertarian right wing nut job. 

 

There's room for individual rights and acting for society. It's about fairness.

 

As an aside,  Check out german public opinion right now as an example. A left leaning, socially democratic,  social capitalist nation who are really sceptical with the whole thing. They really do have experience of sacrificing self for the greater good in the old DDR. It's simply  not healthy to have they state making all our individual decisions. 

Germans are as split in their opinions as anywhere else...,but like many Europeans ( including English) being sceptical is a great normal Trait to have...

How to gain trust, no Government has ever learnt...

[Bellend Sebastian]

Read some medical bits and bobs on COVID-19 causing erectile dysfunction.  Cannot help thinking that it might've helped to have given more coverage to this earlier

[yorkie1999]

56 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

Read some medical bits and bobs on COVID-19 causing erectile dysfunction.  Cannot help thinking that it might've helped to have given more coverage to this earlier

Don’t be a bellend

[Bellend Sebastian]

20 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Don’t be a bellend

I don't need COVID-19 to suffer from erectile dysfunction, I'm perfectly capable of getting it myself

[Carl the Llama]

2 hours ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

Read some medical bits and bobs on COVID-19 causing erectile dysfunction.  Cannot help thinking that it might've helped to have given more coverage to this earlier

The not so long covid

[FerrisBueller]

I deleted Facebook quite a while ago, I randomly had the urge to go back on today. Within 30 seconds I saw somebody claiming without a hint of irony that the vaccine will contain “DNA altering 5g activated microchips from Bill Gates”

The sooner we get rid of social media the better, it reaffirms the ludicrous conspiracies of genuine thickos. I deleted the app again about 2 minutes later.

[Md9]

The walk in test centres are quite quick with getting results back at the min took a test yesterday morning as had started to get a cough after my youngest brought it home. Results this morning first thing

[Tuna]

2 hours ago, FerrisBueller said:

“DNA altering 5g activated microchips from Bill Gates”

 

They've gone for the full lexicon of conspiracy theories right there! 

 

You'd laugh but it's worrying so many people believe this nonsense.

[yorkie1999]

2 hours ago, FerrisBueller said:

I deleted Facebook quite a while ago, I randomly had the urge to go back on today. Within 30 seconds I saw somebody claiming without a hint of irony that the vaccine will contain “DNA altering 5g activated microchips from Bill Gates”

The sooner we get rid of social media the better, it reaffirms the ludicrous conspiracies of genuine thickos. I deleted the app again about 2 minutes later.

Maybe so, but can you prove it won’t! And how does anyone know that you’re not a government agent planted here to provoke a negative viewpoint to what could possibly be the truth.

[FerrisBueller]

23 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Maybe so, but can you prove it won’t! And how does anyone know that you’re not a government agent planted here to provoke a negative viewpoint to what could possibly be the truth.

Rumbled!