FOXYTALK Posted 22 November 2020 Share Posted 22 November 2020 Any plans to incorporate safe standing whilst they are redeveloping the stadium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealingfox Posted 22 November 2020 Share Posted 22 November 2020 46 minutes ago, Plastik Man said: Agreed. An additional 16k goes against all we've previously heard. I'd be surprised, but eggcited, if its true! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudulike Posted 22 November 2020 Share Posted 22 November 2020 I think this thread has gone off topic. Is it worth starting a new one or reopening an existing one? Need to keep this thread on Seagrave as that's still got a way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted 22 November 2020 Share Posted 22 November 2020 Thats going to be one hell of a stand if the capacity is to rise to 48k?? Id imagine to get to that capacity then that involves work both on the north and south stands then? Roughly guessing the west and east stands hold around 9k each, with the north and south stands 7k in each. To make our capacity 48k then that means the new East stand will hold 25k ish fans? That's bloody massive!!! And will dwarf the rest of the stadium, surely would have to be 3 tiered? I just can't see how we're getting an extra 16k from 1 stand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmilner Posted 22 November 2020 Share Posted 22 November 2020 13 hours ago, FoyleFox said: Your school science labs were a lot posher than ours then! Not my labs , Eton ! I think I heard there’s 170 4K tv’s scattered around ! Samsung at that 😂👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastik Man Posted 22 November 2020 Share Posted 22 November 2020 32 minutes ago, Spudulike said: I think this thread has gone off topic. Is it worth starting a new one or reopening an existing one? Need to keep this thread on Seagrave as that's still got a way to go. It's certainly gone off the boil... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sol thewall Bamba Posted 22 November 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 22 November 2020 1 hour ago, FOXYTALK said: Any plans to incorporate safe standing whilst they are redeveloping the stadium? In discussions. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 22 November 2020 Share Posted 22 November 2020 9 hours ago, moore_94 said: Old Traffords North Stand is 25.5k seats (4 tiers) We can't possibly be adding an extra 16,000 to what's already there. Surely the stand already holds around 8-10,000 so the stand would have to be as big as Old Trafford's main stand. Adding an extra 8000 to 8-10,000 already there would be in line with what we've already heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fktf Posted 22 November 2020 Share Posted 22 November 2020 2 hours ago, Spudulike said: I think this thread has gone off topic. Is it worth starting a new one or reopening an existing one? Need to keep this thread on Seagrave as that's still got a way to go. Come on mate, liven up. This thread has pictures of a training ground we'd never imagine we'd have, plans for a ground that we could only dream of (but that somehow seem believable). And if all of that isn't enough to get you excited, there's a recommendation of an actress to get you going. Best thread ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Loyal Posted 22 November 2020 Share Posted 22 November 2020 7 hours ago, brucey said: Where are we getting £200+mil from? Even if we make CL and sell Ricky that only covers just over half of it.... Remember that £70 we were all asked to put in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucey Posted 22 November 2020 Share Posted 22 November 2020 7 hours ago, Beechey said: Only thing I can think of is that an owner can underwrite infrastructure spending. Goes again our recent model, but £200m+ is a step above what we're currently committing. We didn't do it for the training ground so doubt we'd start doing it now, especially when the other arms of KP must be losing a lot of money. I'm just a little worried that the benefits of a stadium expansion are proportionally much less for this size of investment, compared to the money spent on the training ground or on playing staff. Already for next summer's transfer window we'll need to spend 25m on Under, plus a new CB and FB to replace the outgoing Morgan and Fuchs, plus replacements for any player sales. If we've already agreed for the work to start in the summer and end up not making CL, I'd be concerned about what that meant for the summer budget (maybe promoting Knight and Thomas instead of buying replacements - risky), and possibly needing to sell more than one star player in the summer (again, risky in terms of destabilising the team). Sorry to be a grump 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox in the North Posted 22 November 2020 Share Posted 22 November 2020 3 minutes ago, brucey said: We didn't do it for the training ground so doubt we'd start doing it now, especially when the other arms of KP must be losing a lot of money. I'm just a little worried that the benefits of a stadium expansion are proportionally much less for this size of investment, compared to the money spent on the training ground or on playing staff. Already for next summer's transfer window we'll need to spend 25m on Under, plus a new CB and FB to replace the outgoing Morgan and Fuchs, plus replacements for any player sales. If we've already agreed for the work to start in the summer and end up not making CL, I'd be concerned about what that meant for the summer budget (maybe promoting Knight and Thomas instead of buying replacements - risky), and possibly needing to sell more than one star player in the summer (again, risky in terms of destabilising the team). Sorry to be a grump If it’s the owner investing for the expansion, then the club is still ultimately self sufficient so transfer budget shouldn’t be affected. Considering the owners have been planning this for years indicates it doesn’t really have much to do with where we finish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 22 November 2020 Share Posted 22 November 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, brucey said: Sorry to be a grump You’re not being a grump - it’s a relevant observation I would say that I don't see those running the club as being likely to build 16k extra seats and then reduce the quality of the squad so we become relegation candidates I would think that adding 10k onto the average gate will generate £7-£10m per season. Add onto that additional prawn sandwich capacity and you could easily stick on an extra few mill. So you could be looking to repay that 200m over twenty years max which is well within what is considered good financial planning. No need to affect squad recruitment. remember that the new training ground doesn’t actually generate income whereas the ground expansion does Edited 22 November 2020 by st albans fox 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 22 November 2020 Share Posted 22 November 2020 6 minutes ago, st albans fox said: You’re not being a grump - it’s a relevant observation I would say that I don't see those running the club as being likely to build 16k extra seats and then reduce the quality of the squad so we become relegation candidates I would think that adding 10k onto the average gate will generate £7-£10m per season. Add onto that additional prawn sandwich capacity and you could easily stick on an extra few mill. So you could be looking to repay that 200m over twenty years max which is well within what is considered good financial planning. No need to affect squad recruitment. remember that the new training ground doesn’t actually generate income whereas the ground expansion does Plus, of course, it makes us even more attractive to prospective joinees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarriedaLeicesterGirl Posted 22 November 2020 Share Posted 22 November 2020 7 minutes ago, st albans fox said: I would think that adding 10k onto the average gate will generate £7-£10m per season. More importantly, the expansion will increase premium seating/luxury boxes. That's even more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox in the North Posted 22 November 2020 Share Posted 22 November 2020 3 minutes ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said: More importantly, the expansion will increase premium seating/luxury boxes. That's even more money. Not to mention additional sponsorship generated by new facilities such as the hotel, premium seating, arena and possible fanzone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 22 November 2020 Share Posted 22 November 2020 I have no doubt the stadium expansion will be great. I think we’ll also get safe standing. But I think the club will mess it up by putting the safe standing away from the away fans. What this stand will do is displace L1 standers and they will want to be next to the away end wherever that is in the new layout. They won’t head to ‘the Kop’ or a corner near the south stand just because it has safe standing - their main motivation is the atmosphere next to the away end. Shift the Family section to where Union FS are now, keep away fans in the North East corner and make the whole of the North Stand (currently the family stand) safe standing for all the displaced L1 people, Union FS and anyone in ‘the Kop’ that wants to stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Markyblue Posted 22 November 2020 Share Posted 22 November 2020 1 minute ago, Freeman's Wharfer said: I have no doubt the stadium expansion will be great. I think we’ll also get safe standing. But I think the club will mess it up by putting the safe standing away from the away fans. What this stand will do is displace L1 standers and they will want to be next to the away end wherever that is in the new layout. They won’t head to ‘the Kop’ or a corner near the south stand just because it has safe standing - their main motivation is the atmosphere next to the away end. Shift the Family section to where Union FS are now, keep away fans in the North East corner and make the whole of the North Stand (currently the family stand) safe standing for all the displaced L1 people, Union FS and anyone in ‘the Kop’ that wants to stand. What is the ratio of people in a safe standing area as opposed seating. ie 3000 seats= how many safe standing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 22 November 2020 Share Posted 22 November 2020 9 minutes ago, Markyblue said: What is the ratio of people in a safe standing area as opposed seating. ie 3000 seats= how many safe standing? 1:1 to begin with, up to 1.6:1 in the future with legislative changes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Fox Posted 22 November 2020 Share Posted 22 November 2020 56 minutes ago, Freeman's Wharfer said: I have no doubt the stadium expansion will be great. I think we’ll also get safe standing. But I think the club will mess it up by putting the safe standing away from the away fans. What this stand will do is displace L1 standers and they will want to be next to the away end wherever that is in the new layout. They won’t head to ‘the Kop’ or a corner near the south stand just because it has safe standing - their main motivation is the atmosphere next to the away end. Shift the Family section to where Union FS are now, keep away fans in the North East corner and make the whole of the North Stand (currently the family stand) safe standing for all the displaced L1 people, Union FS and anyone in ‘the Kop’ that wants to stand. So what you’re saying is switch the Family stand and the Kop? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarriedaLeicesterGirl Posted 22 November 2020 Share Posted 22 November 2020 58 minutes ago, Markyblue said: What is the ratio of people in a safe standing area as opposed seating. ie 3000 seats= how many safe standing? Right now they are saying 1:1, although if that works, then 2:3 might be a possibility. (According to YouTube videos I have watched.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beechey Posted 22 November 2020 Share Posted 22 November 2020 7 hours ago, brucey said: We didn't do it for the training ground so doubt we'd start doing it now, especially when the other arms of KP must be losing a lot of money. I'm just a little worried that the benefits of a stadium expansion are proportionally much less for this size of investment, compared to the money spent on the training ground or on playing staff. Already for next summer's transfer window we'll need to spend 25m on Under, plus a new CB and FB to replace the outgoing Morgan and Fuchs, plus replacements for any player sales. If we've already agreed for the work to start in the summer and end up not making CL, I'd be concerned about what that meant for the summer budget (maybe promoting Knight and Thomas instead of buying replacements - risky), and possibly needing to sell more than one star player in the summer (again, risky in terms of destabilising the team). Sorry to be a grump Yeah I agree, typo for me though: "again" was supposed to read as "against". I don't think we'll be getting some crazy injection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 22 November 2020 Share Posted 22 November 2020 @Billynomates Please post more pictures we need cheering up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus Scott Posted 22 November 2020 Share Posted 22 November 2020 10 hours ago, brucey said: Already for next summer's transfer window we'll need to spend 25m on Under, plus a new CB and FB to replace the outgoing Morgan and Fuchs, plus replacements for any player sales. If we've already agreed for the work to start in the summer and end up not making CL, I'd be concerned about what that meant for the summer budget (maybe promoting Knight and Thomas instead of buying replacements - risky), and possibly needing to sell more than one star player in the summer (again, risky in terms of destabilising the team). Sorry to be a grump I thought we only had an option to buy. I would say that he will need to show a lot more before we exercise that option 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heymister2015 Posted 22 November 2020 Share Posted 22 November 2020 49 minutes ago, Angus Scott said: I thought we only had an option to buy. I would say that he will need to show a lot more before we exercise that option Or just sign thauvin on a free, Jovic on loan to buy and under for £25m! There will be plenty of great deals about with the pandemic financial situation about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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