If Rodgers Goes...

[shailen]

No one could improve us sustainably past what Rodgers has done here. Even if we had a Klopp, Guardiola or Tuchel, they'd struggle to get us better results without the fire power those teams have. 

 

We might have more short term success through the new manager bounce but I think we all need to step back and realise the job he's done here. We aren't even in terrible form at the moment, and whilst there is room for improvement, all teams go through bad patches and good. 

[volpeazzurro]

23 minutes ago, shailen said:

No one could improve us sustainably past what Rodgers has done here. Even if we had a Klopp, Guardiola or Tuchel, they'd struggle to get us better results without the fire power those teams have. 

 

We might have more short term success through the new manager bounce but I think we all need to step back and realise the job he's done here. We aren't even in terrible form at the moment, and whilst there is room for improvement, all teams go through bad patches and good. 

I think that the potential 'firepower' of Vardy, Daka, Iheanacho and Barnes would be the envy of most teams above us. However, if they don't receive the ball in the right positions they're never going to score.

[fuchsntf]

31 minutes ago, shailen said:

No one could improve us sustainably past what Rodgers has done here. Even if we had a Klopp, Guardiola or Tuchel, they'd struggle to get us better results without the fire power those teams have. 

 

We might have more short term success through the new manager bounce but I think we all need to step back and realise the job he's done here. We aren't even in terrible form at the moment, and whilst there is room for improvement, all teams go through bad patches and good. 

We are fking crap...but good fking crap.

[Gazza M]

People get bored easily don't they nowadays. Unless he goes on Claudio form (2nd season) he is in no danger.

 

 

[Koke]

42 minutes ago, Gazza M said:

People get bored easily don't they nowadays. Unless he goes on Claudio form (2nd season) he is in no danger.

 

 

 

With the salary he is on and the players at his disposal, I don't believe the club will just accept mediocre 12th place finish. Wolves, for example, moved on Nuno for boring mid table finish. Our wage bill and talent pool is higher than Wolves. I think the club has bigger ambition than being 12th. The Ranieri era was a different time. 

[shailen]

57 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

I think that the potential 'firepower' of Vardy, Daka, Iheanacho and Barnes would be the envy of most teams above us. However, if they don't receive the ball in the right positions they're never going to score.

I think the key word there is potential. Vardy is world class but we need more consistent contribution from the others too. You look at Liverpool, Man City and the difference is their players conistently contribute and perform. The likes of Salah, De Bruyne, etc.. have consistently dug them out of holes and won games for their team. We have great players but not necessarily enough match winners who can turn a bad performance into a good result or a good performance into a great result.

 

I really hope those players will develop into match winners and help the team out. 

[Sly]

1 hour ago, gerblod said:

Highly unlikely. 

Broken English from what I understand. 

[mod hero]

9 hours ago, buzzer_b said:

Then all we’d need is his sidekick…

 

 

That fringe is naughty

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

8 hours ago, CrispinLA in Texas said:

 

Well some here didn't think we will sign Patson Daka, and looking at Spurs and Arsenal fans reactions they couldn't believe that he'd gone to Leicester. If you want someone anything is possible, just got to act decisively.

Yeah and we currently have a manager who isn't getting sacked anytime soon.

[1972 Fox]

https://news.paddypower.com/football/2021/11/08/brendan-rodgers-buys-25-envelopes-ahead-of-man-united-switch/

[ScrumpyJack]

3 hours ago, gerblod said:

He's at his peak, but does he speak any English and, at sixty plus, would he consider coming to Ingerland? 

He's worked wonders at Atalanta.

I don’t know anything about him, just suggested Gasperini because I wanted people to think I’m cool 

[FoxyLeon]

41 minutes ago, shailen said:

I think the key word there is potential. Vardy is world class but we need more consistent contribution from the others too. You look at Liverpool, Man City and the difference is their players conistently contribute and perform. The likes of Salah, De Bruyne, etc.. have consistently dug them out of holes and won games for their team. We have great players but not necessarily enough match winners who can turn a bad performance into a good result or a good performance into a great result.

 

I really hope those players will develop into match winners and help the team out. 

 

Liverpool overturned a 10+ point lead against us last season, with a bunch of kids in defence, who had almost no professional footballing experience.

 

Our problem isn't to do with 'Match winners', it's clearly a coaching issue.

 

Rodgers is able to pick from either 2 or 3 of Ndidi/Tielemans/Soumare/Maddison for his midfield.....Yet we've barely dominated a side in midfield all season.

We've got Vardy/Iheanacho/Daka/Barnes, all capable of 10+ goals a season....Yet we barely have more than 2 shots on target a game.

[volpeazzurro]

48 minutes ago, shailen said:

I think the key word there is potential. Vardy is world class but we need more consistent contribution from the others too. You look at Liverpool, Man City and the difference is their players conistently contribute and perform. The likes of Salah, De Bruyne, etc.. have consistently dug them out of holes and won games for their team. We have great players but not necessarily enough match winners who can turn a bad performance into a good result or a good performance into a great result.

 

I really hope those players will develop into match winners and help the team out. 

We saw last season how Iheanacho, our top goalscorer, dug us out of some holes also and was a major contribution to us finishing in 5th despite our collapse yet, it seemed through gritted teeth due to injury that Rodgers included him in his team. His thanks? A place on the bench for the new season whilst Rodgers plays philosophy football again.

 

Many times last season, against a backdrop of piss poor football on the field of play, we were saved by a  flash of something special from individual players who managed it despite poor tactics. A finishing position doesn't tell the full story. We could have finished 4th but could have easily been halfway, so poor was the football. On quite a number of occasions, we got a win or a draw unreservedly following a poor performance. Our position of 5th flattered to deceive and lady luck is currently catching up with us and we lie in a more realistic position commensurate with performances. We have the players to do a lot better. 

[Soar Fox]

10 hours ago, Ginger_Filbert said:

I remember hating Villa fans for calling for MON to get the boot when he couldn’t get them in the champs league, after he got the boot they became shit again eventually leading to relegation. 
 

We’ve turned into those Villa fans I hated.  

They didn’t want him to get the boot for failing to get into the champions league. Their fans turned on him after he took a reserve team out to Moscow in the knockout stages of the Uefa cup and lost. 
 

The club then made him do a Q&A one evening as an apology to the fans who went and he basically told them to fvck off and that the only reason he was there was because the club made him do it. 

[PAPA LAZAROU]

2 hours ago, shailen said:

No one could improve us sustainably past what Rodgers has done here. Even if we had a Klopp, Guardiola or Tuchel, they'd struggle to get us better results without the fire power those teams have. 

 

We might have more short term success through the new manager bounce but I think we all need to step back and realise the job he's done here. We aren't even in terrible form at the moment, and whilst there is room for improvement, all teams go through bad patches and good. 

you only have to look at the way we destroyed Man united the other week to know we do have the players here who are capable. Our underachieving at the present is down to the manager with wrong set ups and wrong substitutions. you can tell the players don't like the way they are being told to play. The constant changing, tinkering  and snail-paced football is why we are in a slump not the players abilities.

[Guest454545]

9 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

We saw last season how Iheanacho, our top goalscorer, dug us out of some holes also and was a major contribution to us finishing in 5th despite our collapse yet, it seemed through gritted teeth due to injury that Rodgers included him in his team. His thanks? A place on the bench for the new season whilst Rodgers plays philosophy football again.

 

Many times last season, against a backdrop of piss poor football on the field of play, we were saved by a  flash of something special from individual players who managed it despite poor tactics. A finishing position doesn't tell the full story. We could have finished 4th but could have easily been halfway, so poor was the football. On quite a number of occasions, we got a win or a draw unreservedly following a poor performance. Our position of 5th flattered to deceive and lady luck is currently catching up with us and we lie in a more realistic position commensurate with performances. We have the players to do a lot better. 

You might have been right there if you didn't finish 5th twice while also winning a cup having reached the semi final of another the year before. Two fifth place finishes and a trophy is not "flattering to deceive". 

[volpeazzurro]

19 minutes ago, Guest454545 said:

You might have been right there if you didn't finish 5th twice while also winning a cup having reached the semi final of another the year before. Two fifth place finishes and a trophy is not "flattering to deceive". 

But equally you have to ask who was responsible for it, Rodgers, or largely the players ability despite him? Both seasons we started like a train playing fast fluid football until he seemingly stuck his oar in with his possession based dirge football and micro-managing combined with square pegs in round holes. I personally maintain that it was his poor management more than injuries that caused us to miss out on Champions League football from such a commanding lead.

 

I will give Rodgers full credit however for consistently putting a strong team personnel wise out in all of the preliminary cup rounds. Not many managers have done that. 

[Fox92]

3 hours ago, shailen said:

No one could improve us sustainably past what Rodgers has done here. Even if we had a Klopp, Guardiola or Tuchel, they'd struggle to get us better results without the fire power those teams have. 

 

We might have more short term success through the new manager bounce but I think we all need to step back and realise the job he's done here. We aren't even in terrible form at the moment, and whilst there is room for improvement, all teams go through bad patches and good. 

They're better managers than Rodgers so I'm guessing they would have got better results.

 

Look at when Klopp first went to Liverpool. He inherited a poor squad (from Rodgers) including the likes of Benteke, Ibe, Allen, Lovren... I bet only Coutinho was the only World Class player they had... Klopp bought in Mane, Matip and Wijnaldum and went onto finish 4th. Look at that Liverpool squad and there's not much "firepower". 

[foxinsocks]

Look the club have sensibly monitized  his contract (length and value). Bredan will go when ja ob comes up that he fancies.  Until then he needs to sort his euro cv out. He is going nowhere this season. 

Edited 9 November 2021 by foxinsocks

[Ric Flair]

9 hours ago, BoyJones said:

Thanks. I have now googled him and think bearing in mind managers must now be successful (ie win something!), his appointment would be very surprising given his actual track record. 

He did extremely well at Lille where he brought through a number of young superstars like Hazard and won Ligue 1. He was excellent from the off at Roma who had been chaos for a while and like with almost every successfull manager in the modern era there, just fell short of winning Serie A as there's always one of Inter or Juve who seem to pip them. Lyon he also started well and had a very good run in the Champions League with them.

 

 

[coolhandfox]

51 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

But equally you have to ask who was responsible for it, Rodgers, or largely the players ability despite him? Both seasons we started like a train playing fast fluid football until he seemingly stuck his oar in with his possession based dirge football and micro-managing combined with square pegs in round holes. I personally maintain that it was his poor management more than injuries that caused us to miss out on Champions League football from such a commanding lead.

 

I will give Rodgers full credit however for consistently putting a strong team personnel wise out in all of the preliminary cup rounds. Not many managers have done that. 

 

What a strange post.

 

So you are giving him no credit for us starting two seasons well and giving him all the blame for the tail off in form. 

 

So basically, you are saying when we are doing well, it's despite the manager. If we are doing poorly, it is because of the manager. I'd be interested in how you know this? 

 

So who was responsible for the excellent form at the start of 2019/20 and 20/21? 

[jayfox26]

If Rodgers goes, get Bobby Martinez and then we might have a chance at keeping Youri. 

[orangecity23]

1 hour ago, volpeazzurro said:

But equally you have to ask who was responsible for it, Rodgers, or largely the players ability despite him? Both seasons we started like a train playing fast fluid football until he seemingly stuck his oar in with his possession based dirge football and micro-managing combined with square pegs in round holes. I personally maintain that it was his poor management more than injuries that caused us to miss out on Champions League football from such a commanding lead.

 

I will give Rodgers full credit however for consistently putting a strong team personnel wise out in all of the preliminary cup rounds. Not many managers have done that. 

In those 2 seasons, could it not be said that we've started well, on the back of pre season, essentially the part of the year the manager has the most time out on the training pitch to get the team performing as a unit? Then the form has tailed off in the winter, when games start cropping up twice a week and there isn't the training time to sort out bad habits or lack of movement off the ball etc. Also, that's when the injuries start to pile up and our lack of depth compared to the super League moneybags squads gets exposed. Interestingly, our best performance this season has been Vs man Utd, where we had time to prepare after the international break, which boosted performance for a while, which has now slightly dropped off - when we are back in a 2 game a week rhythm. We had 1 day of training after Spartak to switch to a back 4 to be ready for Leeds on Sunday, is it any wonder things weren't well drilled?

[sacreblueits442]

2 hours ago, Guest454545 said:

You might have been right there if you didn't finish 5th twice while also winning a cup having reached the semi final of another the year before. Two fifth place finishes and a trophy is not "flattering to deceive". 

...I  get the feeling you are a second account for another poster on here!!!

  You certainly spend a great deal of time on our board without actually showing your colours. Always good to have other clubs view on recent games but you appear to be not in that category. 

[Buce]

3 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...I  get the feeling you are a second account for another poster on here!!!

  You certainly spend a great deal of time on our board without actually showing your colours. Always good to have other clubs view on recent games but you appear to be not in that category. 

 

Muzzy Larrsen?