ATMOSPHERE THURSDAY

[Alf Bentley]

18 minutes ago, Munshi said:

You’ve said this a few times now and I feel like I should correct you. The Tifo was being rolled down and put away BEFORE the players even got anywhere near the Kop. I even thought to myself at the time that it seemed it was up for less time than usual. 

 

Then again you would obviously have been too confused to know your surroundings with the MASSIVE thick sheet above your head pinning you to the floor. 

 

Well, I'll correct you in turn. Please stop misrepresenting what I've said. 

 

I said nothing about when the tifo was being rolled down or when the players got near the Kop. In your response, you've even put my words in bold: "there was no sign of it moving even when noise suggested the players were coming out".

 

Now look at the photo that Vestan Pance has posted on p.5 of this thread. It shows the players coming out and the tifo still covering most of the central sections of the Kop, including the bit where my seat is.

From the photo, it looks as if some unrolling may have started at the top but I'd have known nothing about that. As far as I recall, the players were just breaking away from their line-up when the sheet came off our area.

 

I was quite clear about my surroundings, thanks, and managed to remain standing despite the fearsome weight of the sheet. It was only a minor irritant, in fact, apart from disrupting my "cheer the lads onto the pitch" opportunities. 

 

Apologies to anyone who's getting sick of this ridiculous dialogue, but I feel that I have to respond when people deliberately and disingenuously misrepresent what I've said.

 

Respect to anyone who put a lot of work into the tifo - and to posters who disagree with me but have made reasonable arguments for why tifos can be a good thing. They're not particularly my thing, but I hope they are beneficial and appreciated by those who like them. Who knows, that might even include me - I'm not hostile to the whole idea, just the implementation last night for the reasons explained. I hope 1 or 2 of the more reasonable UFS people may even take some notice of the points I've made - and I do appreciate the point someone made that it's no easy task to make the things, to ensure almost everyone is aware of what's happening and to deal with timing, roll-out, removal etc. Good luck to you. 

 

 

 

 

[Voll Blau]

2 hours ago, Voll Blau said:

 

Hmmm, not quite true. As said, Ultras in certain places have huge amounts of power. Even at clubs like Bayern you've got groups making a constant nuisance of themselves (in the eyes of the board) over issues like ticket prices and the club's dodgy links with Qatar. But even then, at a club like that, it's not worth the risk of banning them wholesale because of the uproar it would cause and the problems it would create.

Speak of the devil...

 

 

[kingkisnorbo]

It will never not baffle me when people try to argue against an actual fan led improvement to the support. 
 
Bewildering. 

[K1FOX]

Thank god Alf got out of there safe.

[Lcfc098]

First things first, clappers need to be removed from the stadium. Smashing clappers against their knees provides people the idea that they are contributing to the noise and have done their bit.

[kingkisnorbo]

3 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said:

First things first, clappers need to be removed from the stadium. Smashing clappers against their knees provides people the idea that they are contributing to the noise and have done their bit.

I share this. We are convincing supporters, particularly younger ones, that atmosphere has to be manufactured with clappers etc. 

[foxinsocks]

The tifo was poor

[Alf Bentley]

38 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

The tifo was poor

 

Really, mate? I thought it was great.

[Freeman's Wharfer]

11 hours ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

What extraordinary toxic arrogance from you lot!

Who are you to expect other fans to allow you to prevent them from cheering their team out? And then to abuse fellow fans who don't appreciate your unexplained ways. You're behaving like some divisive, self-appointed elite....

 

It's not about "seeing players walk out onto a pitch" or watching "players still standing facing the East Stand". Seeing the players come out is important not just in building anticipation but so that fans can cheer or voice support however they see fit. That has probably existed as long as football has been a spectator sport......until some hipster elite decides that they're entitled to put a sheet over people's heads so they can't even tell if the players have come out.

 

I don't condone anyone punching people or ripping holes in your precious tifo (didn't see that so DK if true), but I can well understand people being angry at having this imposed on them without explanation. I was moderately pissed off myself.

 

I didn't know who had done this or why (the club? a fans' group? sponsors? UEFA?). Of course, I couldn't appreciate your pretty picture of a choo-choo train as I was underneath the fvcking thing!

Although I assumed it was a team support tifo, it could have been a King Power or UEFA logo, an abusive message or a photo of you lot mooning your fragrant, hairless arses for all I knew!

 

The sheet was placed on us at an important moment, with no indication as to when, how or if it would be removed. Such tifos have appeared before but have either appeared a bit earlier or been kept in motion so that it's obvious that they'll go away after a minute or two. This one appeared late and just stayed put for what seemed like an eternity.

 

The UFS web site talks of "bolstering the atmosphere" and ensuring fans "are able to actively engage on matchdays". They may or may not have "smashed the Tifo once again", but they also undermined the atmosphere and undermined fans' ability to actively engage (albeit only for 5-10 minutes)....and now their supporters are coming on FT abusing fellow fans who don't like having stuff imposed on them that disrupts their matchday.

 

Most folk are tolerant, so I'm sure if these tifos were publicised, appeared a bit earlier and were kept in circulation, then people would help you enjoy the match your way. If you can't manage that, perhaps you should just put your sheet with its pretty picture over your OWN heads and get your mates to take photos that you can post on Twitter, declaring yourselves to be the hippest dudes this side of Milan, unlike your contemptible fellow fans who just want to cheer their team on.

 

Surprising and disappointing to see so many posters repping @Munshi's particularly vile post arrogantly abusing his/her fellow fans - including posters I'd otherwise respect like @SemperEadem, @Rain King, @Voll Blau and @StanSP.

Wow. One of the worst posts I’ve ever read on this forum.

[moore_94]

5 charged and none of them actually from Poland... 2 from London and 3 locals!

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-59437352

 

Five men have been charged following violence at the Legia Warsaw game against Leicester City.

Seven people were arrested and 12 police officers injured on Thursday when those in the Legia Warsaw area tried to break through to home fans.

Two of the injured officers required hospital treatment.

Three men have been charged with public order offences, one with a public order offence and drug possession and another with assault.

A 34-year-old man from London has been charged with one count of assault and two counts of assaulting an emergency worker.

Another man, 26, from London is charged with public order and possession of a controlled class B drug.

Three men aged, 21, 30 and 31, from Market Harborough, Blaby and Leicester are charged with public order.

All are due to appear at Loughborough Magistrates' Court on 10 December.

A 30-year-old man arrested on suspicion of violent disorder and a 24-year-old man arrested on suspicion of assaulting an emergency worker and possession of a controlled class B drug have been released on police bail pending further inquiries.

[I blame Wellens]

On 22/11/2021 at 11:36, AKCJ said:

Some won't want to hear it but atmosphere is 100% decided by the players.

 

Put in a good performance and the fans will join in. It's always been that way and always will be.

Not a clue… the amount of thumbs up shows how naff are support is now.

 

But I’m resigned to this fact

 

A relegation or 2 may change our fan base for the better. 
 

I’m 50 now and remember the time where we got the team going. 

 

would love to say that our support is no worst than most prem teams but the reality is we are quite possibly the worst.

[1994fox]

3 hours ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

Well, I'll correct you in turn. Please stop misrepresenting what I've said. 

 

I said nothing about when the tifo was being rolled down or when the players got near the Kop. In your response, you've even put my words in bold: "there was no sign of it moving even when noise suggested the players were coming out".

 

Now look at the photo that Vestan Pance has posted on p.5 of this thread. It shows the players coming out and the tifo still covering most of the central sections of the Kop, including the bit where my seat is.

From the photo, it looks as if some unrolling may have started at the top but I'd have known nothing about that. As far as I recall, the players were just breaking away from their line-up when the sheet came off our area.

 

I was quite clear about my surroundings, thanks, and managed to remain standing despite the fearsome weight of the sheet. It was only a minor irritant, in fact, apart from disrupting my "cheer the lads onto the pitch" opportunities. 

 

Apologies to anyone who's getting sick of this ridiculous dialogue, but I feel that I have to respond when people deliberately and disingenuously misrepresent what I've said.

 

Respect to anyone who put a lot of work into the tifo - and to posters who disagree with me but have made reasonable arguments for why tifos can be a good thing. They're not particularly my thing, but I hope they are beneficial and appreciated by those who like them. Who knows, that might even include me - I'm not hostile to the whole idea, just the implementation last night for the reasons explained. I hope 1 or 2 of the more reasonable UFS people may even take some notice of the points I've made - and I do appreciate the point someone made that it's no easy task to make the things, to ensure almost everyone is aware of what's happening and to deal with timing, roll-out, removal etc. Good luck to you. 

 

 

 

 

If you put half as much effort into generating a bit of atmos as you do concocting these whiney novel sized forum posts the kop would be fvcking rocking!!

[Larry_LCFC]

1 hour ago, moore_94 said:

5 charged and none of them actually from Poland... 2 from London and 3 locals!

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-59437352

 

Five men have been charged following violence at the Legia Warsaw game against Leicester City.

Seven people were arrested and 12 police officers injured on Thursday when those in the Legia Warsaw area tried to break through to home fans.

Two of the injured officers required hospital treatment.

Three men have been charged with public order offences, one with a public order offence and drug possession and another with assault.

A 34-year-old man from London has been charged with one count of assault and two counts of assaulting an emergency worker.

Another man, 26, from London is charged with public order and possession of a controlled class B drug.

Three men aged, 21, 30 and 31, from Market Harborough, Blaby and Leicester are charged with public order.

All are due to appear at Loughborough Magistrates' Court on 10 December.

A 30-year-old man arrested on suspicion of violent disorder and a 24-year-old man arrested on suspicion of assaulting an emergency worker and possession of a controlled class B drug have been released on police bail pending further inquiries.

Absolutely shambolic really. They should have been let out the stadium in single file and locked up as they left. Basically let them get away with rinsing Leicestershire police.

[Bourbon Fox]

3 hours ago, Voll Blau said:

Speak of the devil...

 

 

Amazing

[Unabomber]

2 hours ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

Really, mate? I thought it was great.

You couldn’t see it

[An Away Move]

The clappers need to go. For reasons already stated and also because I hate unnecessary waste. Bad for the planet.

[An Away Move]

Was anyone else impressed with Legia Warsaw's fans before they attacked us?! I thought they were amazing. Hugely impressive noise and the moment the flares went off in unison was actually really special IMO.

Edited 26 November 2021 by An Away Move

[Unabomber]

4 minutes ago, An Away Move said:

Was anyone else impressed with Legia Warsaw's fans before they attacked us?! I thought they were amazing. Hugely impressive noise and the moment the flares went off in unison was actually really special IMO.

Yeah they were good 

[BenTheFox]

2 minutes ago, Unabomber said:

Yeah they were good 

Nah, we won't have any of that ultras bollocks here thank you very much. I bet those jokers don't even have cardboard clappers and Uptown Funk! Bunch of sexless virgins! 

[Ian Nacho]

The issue with the club is there a certain section of the fanbase who believe they are ‘better’ fans than the rest because they’ve been going since the 70’s, and the club cater to these individuals. If you’ve ever been on coach 1 you’ll see the special treatment these regular people get. 

[Rusko187]

I'd have thought the players would be super pumped at seeing the tifo, as opposed to a stand full of people using clappers! It shows creativity, you won't miss the match and gain nothing from seeing the players coming out.

 

In all the years of going to the football, it's honestly something I've ever been desperate to see.

[AKCJ]

2 hours ago, I blame Wellens said:

Not a clue… the amount of thumbs up shows how naff are support is now.

 

But I’m resigned to this fact

 

A relegation or 2 may change our fan base for the better. 
 

I’m 50 now and remember the time where we got the team going. 

 

would love to say that our support is no worst than most prem teams but the reality is we are quite possibly the worst.

When was that? I've been going for 20 years and it's been this way.

[Corky]

A relegation would absolutely not change our fanbase for the better. Let's not have incorrect memories of pre-2014- the ground was a third empty and quiet most of the time.

[Rusko187]

2 hours ago, I blame Wellens said:

Not a clue… the amount of thumbs up shows how naff are support is now.

 

But I’m resigned to this fact

 

A relegation or 2 may change our fan base for the better. 
 

I’m 50 now and remember the time where we got the team going. 

 

would love to say that our support is no worst than most prem teams but the reality is we are quite possibly the worst.

You didn't go back in the Championship/League 1 days did you?

 

With our wage bill and overall debts I'd say we'd be totally screwed... all for the sake of improving the atmosphere

[coolhandfox]

3 hours ago, I blame Wellens said:

Not a clue… the amount of thumbs up shows how naff are support is now.

 

But I’m resigned to this fact

 

A relegation or 2 may change our fan base for the better. 
 

I’m 50 now and remember the time where we got the team going. 

 

would love to say that our support is no worst than most prem teams but the reality is we are quite possibly the worst.

It wasn't as good as you remember and is as bad as you think now.